Game Plan
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Here's how it works. Precursors: 1. Someone has something you want. It is their property; they created it, and they will sue your arse (or at least very publicly embarrass you) if you take it without asking. 2. You don't want to ask, because of the public embarrassment thing again, and because you might have to pay cash money. The Plan: 1. You look carefully at other stuff the person has, and try to find ways of saying "Hey! That's mine, and you stole it!" 2 When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms. 3. You offer a non-grievance pact, where "I won't complain if you use my stuff, if you don't complain when I use yours". And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it. -- system.out("It's time to go home.")
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Here's how it works. Precursors: 1. Someone has something you want. It is their property; they created it, and they will sue your arse (or at least very publicly embarrass you) if you take it without asking. 2. You don't want to ask, because of the public embarrassment thing again, and because you might have to pay cash money. The Plan: 1. You look carefully at other stuff the person has, and try to find ways of saying "Hey! That's mine, and you stole it!" 2 When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms. 3. You offer a non-grievance pact, where "I won't complain if you use my stuff, if you don't complain when I use yours". And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it. -- system.out("It's time to go home.")
Mark Wallace wrote:
And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it.
IMHO Microsoft is pretty good at creating their own crap. They have one superior product (VS), and a decent one (Office). But my opinions aside, could you present us an example of when Redmond actually made such a theft?
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Here's how it works. Precursors: 1. Someone has something you want. It is their property; they created it, and they will sue your arse (or at least very publicly embarrass you) if you take it without asking. 2. You don't want to ask, because of the public embarrassment thing again, and because you might have to pay cash money. The Plan: 1. You look carefully at other stuff the person has, and try to find ways of saying "Hey! That's mine, and you stole it!" 2 When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms. 3. You offer a non-grievance pact, where "I won't complain if you use my stuff, if you don't complain when I use yours". And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it. -- system.out("It's time to go home.")
Mark Wallace wrote:
And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it.
GPL pretty much allows them to do that anyway - I guess it's just not 'cool' for them to admit to using GPL'd software.
"The path to complete understanding starts by acknowledging your own ignorance"
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Here's how it works. Precursors: 1. Someone has something you want. It is their property; they created it, and they will sue your arse (or at least very publicly embarrass you) if you take it without asking. 2. You don't want to ask, because of the public embarrassment thing again, and because you might have to pay cash money. The Plan: 1. You look carefully at other stuff the person has, and try to find ways of saying "Hey! That's mine, and you stole it!" 2 When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms. 3. You offer a non-grievance pact, where "I won't complain if you use my stuff, if you don't complain when I use yours". And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it. -- system.out("It's time to go home.")
Mark Wallace wrote:
And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it.
And Elvis is working at a Chip Shop in Scarborough. Did you know that JFK is alive on his home planet as well? Sometimes I feel that people should come with a government health warning "Warning - the product may contain nuts".
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it.
And Elvis is working at a Chip Shop in Scarborough. Did you know that JFK is alive on his home planet as well? Sometimes I feel that people should come with a government health warning "Warning - the product may contain nuts".
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
And Elvis is working at a Chip Shop in Scarborough.
Brighton. Don't you know nuffin? I just can't see any other viable reason for MS threatening to sue all and sundry in the open source community. Either there's a dollar profit at the end of it, it's a prestige thing, or it's some kind of backhand exercise. But they're not going to get a fat lot of money (on their scale) out of the open-source brigade, and there's no prestige gain in taking out (or even threatening to take out) suits against people who give their work away for free (quite the reverse -- attacking the underdog costs you friends); so backhand it is. The announcement that MS would be willing to come to an agreement like they have with Novell, where (more or less) they play with each other's toys and use each other's technology without let or hindrance, looks like a giveaway: How do you save a fortune on development and innovation costs, without making it look like you're ripping off ideas from open source developers? You agree to share your toys. Don't get me wrong: I like MS; I'm a full-blooded Windows wallah, who spits and howls every time he has to check stuff on Linux or Unix. But they're not a garage business any more, they're a corporation -- and a bleeding obvious management ploy is a bleeding obvious management ploy (I should know; I use my share of 'em).
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Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
And Elvis is working at a Chip Shop in Scarborough.
Brighton. Don't you know nuffin? I just can't see any other viable reason for MS threatening to sue all and sundry in the open source community. Either there's a dollar profit at the end of it, it's a prestige thing, or it's some kind of backhand exercise. But they're not going to get a fat lot of money (on their scale) out of the open-source brigade, and there's no prestige gain in taking out (or even threatening to take out) suits against people who give their work away for free (quite the reverse -- attacking the underdog costs you friends); so backhand it is. The announcement that MS would be willing to come to an agreement like they have with Novell, where (more or less) they play with each other's toys and use each other's technology without let or hindrance, looks like a giveaway: How do you save a fortune on development and innovation costs, without making it look like you're ripping off ideas from open source developers? You agree to share your toys. Don't get me wrong: I like MS; I'm a full-blooded Windows wallah, who spits and howls every time he has to check stuff on Linux or Unix. But they're not a garage business any more, they're a corporation -- and a bleeding obvious management ploy is a bleeding obvious management ploy (I should know; I use my share of 'em).
I think the paranoia in MS has more to do with a bunch of lawyer's trying to justify their existence than anything else.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Here's how it works. Precursors: 1. Someone has something you want. It is their property; they created it, and they will sue your arse (or at least very publicly embarrass you) if you take it without asking. 2. You don't want to ask, because of the public embarrassment thing again, and because you might have to pay cash money. The Plan: 1. You look carefully at other stuff the person has, and try to find ways of saying "Hey! That's mine, and you stole it!" 2 When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms. 3. You offer a non-grievance pact, where "I won't complain if you use my stuff, if you don't complain when I use yours". And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it. -- system.out("It's time to go home.")
Mark Wallace wrote:
When the debate reaches the point where a) you can't prove that they stole it, and b) they can't prove they didn't, you agree to come to terms.
Actually, the argument stops when they can't prove you stole it. They have to prove you're guilty. You don't have to prove you're innocent.
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Mark Wallace wrote:
And there you have it. Microsoft will be able to use -- and sell/make a profit from -- all the innovative work put out by open source developers, without having to pay then a penny for it.
And Elvis is working at a Chip Shop in Scarborough. Did you know that JFK is alive on his home planet as well? Sometimes I feel that people should come with a government health warning "Warning - the product may contain nuts".
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
