The IT worker of 2010 won't be a technology guru but rather a 'versatilist.' [modified]
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
Even Arthur C. Clarke was probably closer to what 2010 will be like than these "analysts" :rolleyes:
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
I'm still in school and have about 4 terms left, but even I think this is wish-wash. I'm currently an intern at a company and even though the IT department is small, I doubt in bigger companies you can "replace" your programmers. Programming, imo, is still far too complex to automate or simply outsource everything. I agree with the article that business-oriented and people-oriented jobs will be "hot" as time goes on, but I doubt it will have such a drastic decline in normal programming jobs.
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
Really. While much programming will be done over seas (if it can be easily documented) I call B.S. for the article. Look at the quote the other provides for a source... "the most effective workforce will be outward-focused, business-driven competency centers," WTF? Yeah the jobs will be done by results driven, goal oriented, multi tasking employees who work well with Enterprise systems.
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
Everyone who is predicting that Outsourcing will eliminate the American Programmer doesn't take into account that sooner or later there will be a very public theft of company proprietary data that will bring down, maybe even bankrupt a major American Company. Then the pendulum will begin to swing back to internal development. The problem is that the American I.T. community is aging and shrinking and we may not be able to complete the swing back to internal development. The shortage will be good news to us, as the demand and therefore wages will be high. That's how I see it. ;)
Steven S. Ashley
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menaknow wrote:
This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated."
In sum: A career in computer programming sucks! part 1[^] :suss: part 2[^] :suss:
I assume that you'll be moving over to a more suitable career - possibly something involving fries.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
I'm not going to bother reading the link because I rather suspect that it will be the same crap that Gartner publishes every year. Let's see if I can pick up the bull phrases in it... Challenging... outsourcing... SOA... cost-effective... consultancy... BTW - Gartner have been publishing this crap for years. The only thing that changes is the date - that just slips back a year each time.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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menaknow wrote:
This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated."
In sum: A career in computer programming sucks! part 1[^] :suss: part 2[^] :suss:
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Don't know if this was posted already but wanted to get some thoughts on this article. Article Link I'm still at the start of my career (just at the 3 year general IT experience mark - 1 yr tech support, < 1yr QA etc) and I'm at a point in my life where I'm trying to decide if I will truly be happy in a programming career. I like coding, I like reading about articles on new technologies and how solutions where created to solve problems. What I'm not sure is if I like a Business Analyst aspect of a job (were I plan solutions and try to improve the business) or a programmer job (where I write code that provides a solution - I get a joy for writing code that looks eligant and is properly formatted for some reason). Anyways I digress... This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad." "The skills that will have the steepest decline in 2010 will be in technology infrastructure and service jobs -- such as programming and operations work. Those roles will go overseas or more likely be automated." I think this is over-confidence in the belief of outsourcing. Anyways I have always enjoyed reading the points of view of the members of this site. :-D I am curious of the thoughts (or ramblings) of what others think...:laugh: Rick -- modified at 11:23 Wednesday 23rd May, 2007
menaknow wrote:
This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad."
I can think of 2 cases where the "nuts-and-bolts" case isn't true without even trying. 1) classified government work 2) conmpany-proprietary R&D work where the software engineer works hand-in-hand with the hardware engineer to create "the system" I've done both and no way are those two classes of work going overseas. Judy
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I'm still in school and have about 4 terms left, but even I think this is wish-wash. I'm currently an intern at a company and even though the IT department is small, I doubt in bigger companies you can "replace" your programmers. Programming, imo, is still far too complex to automate or simply outsource everything. I agree with the article that business-oriented and people-oriented jobs will be "hot" as time goes on, but I doubt it will have such a drastic decline in normal programming jobs.
Exactly how I feel. Programming can be very complex and to outsource everything is just asking for trouble.
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I'm not going to bother reading the link because I rather suspect that it will be the same crap that Gartner publishes every year. Let's see if I can pick up the bull phrases in it... Challenging... outsourcing... SOA... cost-effective... consultancy... BTW - Gartner have been publishing this crap for years. The only thing that changes is the date - that just slips back a year each time.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
BTW - Gartner have been publishing this crap for years. The only thing that changes is the date - that just slips back a year each time.
Really? Well at least since reading this article I can say I'm caught up with all their publishings...
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menaknow wrote:
This article states: "...nuts-and-bolts programming and easy-to-document support jobs will have all gone to third-party providers in the U.S. or abroad."
I can think of 2 cases where the "nuts-and-bolts" case isn't true without even trying. 1) classified government work 2) conmpany-proprietary R&D work where the software engineer works hand-in-hand with the hardware engineer to create "the system" I've done both and no way are those two classes of work going overseas. Judy
JudyL_FL wrote:
- classified government work
Didn't even think about those two cases. I've worked with case 1 (classified government work) and I totally agree that is one case that work cannot be outsourced without someone having a heart attack!