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    Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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      Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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      I get the file locked error as well and it is very anoying. I have resorted to creating a small console app that will delete all bin and obj directories. our project is very large and deleting then manually is very time consuming. Now all i do is close vs, run my small app and this seems to fix it (for a while anyway).

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        I get the file locked error as well and it is very anoying. I have resorted to creating a small console app that will delete all bin and obj directories. our project is very large and deleting then manually is very time consuming. Now all i do is close vs, run my small app and this seems to fix it (for a while anyway).

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        Yes, it is annoying and indeed, painful. Think that you make a small change in your project and you have to test that (I change things in code and test them before I go to any other) and you receive this problem. Closing, and re-opening project waste a lot of time. I am not sure if this is the problem in windows app as well, but I have seen in web apps. So I am facing from last 5 days (started a new project). there are several tweaks I came to know and some of them worked for a while, but stopped working next day I open my project. Maybe, I write couple of them here and it may work for you! In the pre-build event, write this if exist "$(TargetPath).locked" del "$(TargetPath).locked" if exist "$(TargetPath)" if not exist "$(TargetPath).locked" move "$(TargetPath)" "$(TargetPath).locked" (infact, files are locked by VS itself and we need to remove them before build start). It worked for me for a while, but not very long. Currently, I made the following change in web.config ......... and it seems to work for now, lets see (BUT using above shadowCopy thing may lead to another runtime error which is not very frequent though. that is, can not shodow/copy XXXX.dll .........). BTW, another small tweak! I noticed that whenever there is a build error, just make a small change in web.config (enter a blank line and remove) and build again and usually, it is successful. I am not sure WHY, but it works 90% for me. Sameers -- modified at 9:00 Thursday 24th May, 2007 FREE MSN Auto Responder[^] History Remember Vendors, NOT Developers

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          Yes, it is annoying and indeed, painful. Think that you make a small change in your project and you have to test that (I change things in code and test them before I go to any other) and you receive this problem. Closing, and re-opening project waste a lot of time. I am not sure if this is the problem in windows app as well, but I have seen in web apps. So I am facing from last 5 days (started a new project). there are several tweaks I came to know and some of them worked for a while, but stopped working next day I open my project. Maybe, I write couple of them here and it may work for you! In the pre-build event, write this if exist "$(TargetPath).locked" del "$(TargetPath).locked" if exist "$(TargetPath)" if not exist "$(TargetPath).locked" move "$(TargetPath)" "$(TargetPath).locked" (infact, files are locked by VS itself and we need to remove them before build start). It worked for me for a while, but not very long. Currently, I made the following change in web.config ......... and it seems to work for now, lets see (BUT using above shadowCopy thing may lead to another runtime error which is not very frequent though. that is, can not shodow/copy XXXX.dll .........). BTW, another small tweak! I noticed that whenever there is a build error, just make a small change in web.config (enter a blank line and remove) and build again and usually, it is successful. I am not sure WHY, but it works 90% for me. Sameers -- modified at 9:00 Thursday 24th May, 2007 FREE MSN Auto Responder[^] History Remember Vendors, NOT Developers

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          Thanks i will give it a try.

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            Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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            Rama Krishna Vavilala
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            Sameers (theAngrycodeR ) wrote:

            Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio!

            :laugh::laugh: That's funny! I don't expect any drastic improvements. Even if they vanish be prepared to see new issues.

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              Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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              stupid errors "file is locked and can not write {\build_path\ProjectName.dll} what's so stupid about this error? Long delay to update property window in web designer view I've heard this is blistering fast on a Dual Cray system. There are quirks and issues, and in many places it's definitely to sluggish. My main problem is the sheer amount they put into the addin interface, and then turned it into a PITA by some open ends. The C# stuff at least outweights all the crap, though.


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                Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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                Duncan Edwards Jones
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                Have you tried running on a machine that doesn't have a virus scanner? - I found the bulk of my VS and SQL Server problems went away when I uninstalled NAV.

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                  Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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                  I can add to that list: - Rebuild doesn't work and you get the error .dll could not be found. (The assembly is the result of one of the projects in your solution) - When you build a project with custom workflow activities the designer fails reloading saying there's a problem with the assembly. (D'oh I have a new version) Restart VS2005 seems to fix that. But, this doesn't stop me from using VS2005, the code editor is great with the codesnippets and the refactoring features. It's just the designers that mess stuff up. I'm running Orcas Beta 1 on a VPC image, but it isn't much better then VS2005. It looks the same and the bugs are almost the same too. There's still a long way to go there.

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                    Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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                    Pawel Gielmuda
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                    Cant handle multpile (more than 30) connected projects in vb. I have to use msbuild. Wizards for db access are slow...:zzz:

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                      Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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                      Answer: we don't. Most of our development is carried out using Visual Studio 2003. For what it's worth, Visual Studio 2007 ("Orcas") looms like its shaping up to be far more stable than 2005. Compare VS2005 Beta 1 with VS2007 Beta 1 and you'll see what I mean...

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                        Although with the release of Servie Pack 1, it seems to be a bit better, but still, there looks lot of problems in it. Do you people face them? For example, build fails due to stupid errors "file is locked and can not write <\build_path\ProjectName.dll>, crash of Cassini web server when you detach your debugger (stop debugging). Long delay to update property window in web designer view, failure to update control names if you change in design view (not always though) and such other issues. Eventually, there are a lot of new features in 2005, but at the same time, lot of bugs/problems in it. How much of you face these problems? I see most of the times, Microsoft replies with bugs saying 'Unable to reproduce'. Hope these things will vanish in next release of studio! Sameers

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                        I rarely have any problems with VS, apart from Intellisense giving out every few weeks (I code a lot :) Everything builds for me, runs for me, debugs for me, etc. just fine. I don't even have SP1, which I should get.

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                          I rarely have any problems with VS, apart from Intellisense giving out every few weeks (I code a lot :) Everything builds for me, runs for me, debugs for me, etc. just fine. I don't even have SP1, which I should get.

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                          Looks like you are the most lucky person in the world!

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                            stupid errors "file is locked and can not write {\build_path\ProjectName.dll} what's so stupid about this error? Long delay to update property window in web designer view I've heard this is blistering fast on a Dual Cray system. There are quirks and issues, and in many places it's definitely to sluggish. My main problem is the sheer amount they put into the addin interface, and then turned it into a PITA by some open ends. The C# stuff at least outweights all the crap, though.


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                            peterchen wrote:

                            stupid errors "file is locked and can not write {\build_path\ProjectName.dll} what's so stupid about this error?

                            Looks like you never got such problem! Just think for a while, you build your project and you get this error and build fails. You try again and same thing happens. Maybe, on 10th try, you get success (or before each build, you have to restart studio).

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                            Long delay to update property window in web designer view I've heard this is blistering fast on a Dual Cray system.

                            Well, I think the speed of system doesn't matter for it. And If I am not worng, Microsoft committed this as a problem in studio.

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                            The C# stuff at least outweights all the crap, though.

                            I wish, I was C# developer then.

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                              Have you tried running on a machine that doesn't have a virus scanner? - I found the bulk of my VS and SQL Server problems went away when I uninstalled NAV.

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                              Really Not! But who can imagine life of computer without an anti-virus?

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                                peterchen wrote:

                                stupid errors "file is locked and can not write {\build_path\ProjectName.dll} what's so stupid about this error?

                                Looks like you never got such problem! Just think for a while, you build your project and you get this error and build fails. You try again and same thing happens. Maybe, on 10th try, you get success (or before each build, you have to restart studio).

                                peterchen wrote:

                                Long delay to update property window in web designer view I've heard this is blistering fast on a Dual Cray system.

                                Well, I think the speed of system doesn't matter for it. And If I am not worng, Microsoft committed this as a problem in studio.

                                peterchen wrote:

                                The C# stuff at least outweights all the crap, though.

                                I wish, I was C# developer then.

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                                No, never had it. All I did under Vs2005 is C#, so that may be a reason. And as I read from the others, ASP.NET editor seems to really lag.


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