Telescope Recommendation
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Can any one recommend me a good telescope to buy for hobby astronomy work? The price should be reasonable (not too high). At the minimum I want the telescope to view Neptune, Pluto, red spot on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. I also want to be able to take a pictures (if that is possible by attaching an external camera to telescope somehow). TIA.
Size matters. The bigger the scope, the farther you can see. Judging by what you want to see, nothing smaller than a 10-inch will do. Go with a name brand, and I highly recommend a scope with a star finder computer and a digital tracking system (these two items are a must for taking pictures). The newest scopes in this category even have a GPS receiver so you can correctly identify your position on the planet, which helps the star finder and tracking system work. Meade or Celestron mac/cas reflectors are the scopes of choice for hobbyists, but there's a guy in Louisiana (www.starmaster.com) that makes a 12-inch truss dobsonian with quality optics and computerization options for decent money. Stay away from the refractor scopes because they're limited in size. Whatever you do, don't cheap out. It will just frustrate you, you'll get bored, and you'll give up the hobby. Spend the money the first time and enjoy a quality star-gazing experience right away. BTW, there are cameras made especially for scopes, but I think there's a bunch of guys that have adapted standard digital cameras to the task.
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Can any one recommend me a good telescope to buy for hobby astronomy work? The price should be reasonable (not too high). At the minimum I want the telescope to view Neptune, Pluto, red spot on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. I also want to be able to take a pictures (if that is possible by attaching an external camera to telescope somehow). TIA.
Unless you have several grand to spend and really dark skys (milkyway extends almost to the horizons) forget pluto. It's extremely faint and you'll need a minimum of two weeks and a sketchbook to spot it (it'll be the extremely faint star that moved). As was already mentioned, a dobsonian (any make/model) will give the most bang for the buck as a beginner scope and with the exception of a goto will also be the easiest to figure how to use. If you want basic picture capability a 3-4" acromatic refractor or cassegrain (schimdt or maksukov) are your best bets at the cheap or mid priced range. A really good imaging scope would be an apochromatic refractor and will cost several grand (you'd pay the same for a high end telephoto lens for an SLR camera), unless you have money to burn I wouldn't recommend this as an initial investment though. For imaging you can get adapters to mount an SLR camera directly to the scope as if it were a telephoto lens. For point and shoots you can buy an adaptor to shoot through the eyepeice. FOr good results though you'll need a delayed snapmode or a remote. You'll need some manual options to control exposure length and disable the flash as well. Pushing a button on the camera will vibrate the image into a blur. ANything other than planetary/lunar/solar (with a filter) snapshots will need a scope with a tracking motor. I'd recomend a goto here since it will be able to automatically align itself for you.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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David Kentley wrote:
$1700
:omg:Wow! That is beyond my range for atleast now. BTW Do you observe the sky from your home or do you go to a different place like an open field away from city?
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
Wow! That is beyond my range for atleast now.
Like I said, that was 10 years ago, and it wasn't the cheapest version... but still, a very good dobsonian can be had for much less. $300 or so, I believe. Anything that is suitable for pictures will be more, so you might want to put that off until down the road. With today's digital technology it is possible to do photography with a dob, but there's lots of trickery involved.
Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote:
BTW Do you observe the sky from your home or do you go to a different place like an open field away from city?
For things like the planets and the moon, you can literally do it while standing under a street light. Our club recently did a public observation of Saturn downtown, under lights, and it was very well received. For anything else we go to a monastery that's about a half hour away and under very good skies for the distance traveled (I don't live close to any really huge cities... I'm in West Michigan). John Dobson (inventor of the Dobsonian) used to live at this monastery, so they're friendly to astronomers, and in fact we have a couple scopes in our club that were made by Mr. Dobson himself. You can get started with very modest equipment... seek out your local club, and you can probably get to try some for yourself before you buy.
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Can any one recommend me a good telescope to buy for hobby astronomy work? The price should be reasonable (not too high). At the minimum I want the telescope to view Neptune, Pluto, red spot on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. I also want to be able to take a pictures (if that is possible by attaching an external camera to telescope somehow). TIA.
Others have already replied with some good suggestions. You may want to check out the Cloudy Nights forums as well. Lots of helpful folks who can give suggestions for just about anything you're looking to do.
James
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Unless you have several grand to spend and really dark skys (milkyway extends almost to the horizons) forget pluto. It's extremely faint and you'll need a minimum of two weeks and a sketchbook to spot it (it'll be the extremely faint star that moved). As was already mentioned, a dobsonian (any make/model) will give the most bang for the buck as a beginner scope and with the exception of a goto will also be the easiest to figure how to use. If you want basic picture capability a 3-4" acromatic refractor or cassegrain (schimdt or maksukov) are your best bets at the cheap or mid priced range. A really good imaging scope would be an apochromatic refractor and will cost several grand (you'd pay the same for a high end telephoto lens for an SLR camera), unless you have money to burn I wouldn't recommend this as an initial investment though. For imaging you can get adapters to mount an SLR camera directly to the scope as if it were a telephoto lens. For point and shoots you can buy an adaptor to shoot through the eyepeice. FOr good results though you'll need a delayed snapmode or a remote. You'll need some manual options to control exposure length and disable the flash as well. Pushing a button on the camera will vibrate the image into a blur. ANything other than planetary/lunar/solar (with a filter) snapshots will need a scope with a tracking motor. I'd recomend a goto here since it will be able to automatically align itself for you.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Film astrophotography is outdated. CCD is the way to go.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
everyting I said is equally valid for film and ccd based SLR's.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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everyting I said is equally valid for film and ccd based SLR's.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Can any one recommend me a good telescope to buy for hobby astronomy work? The price should be reasonable (not too high). At the minimum I want the telescope to view Neptune, Pluto, red spot on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. I also want to be able to take a pictures (if that is possible by attaching an external camera to telescope somehow). TIA.
If you want to take pictures of deep sky objects, be prepared to spend at least $1000. Mounts that can track accurately enough to let you do long exposures are very expensive. If you are just interested in taking pictures of planets, something like this (see link below) would work very well. http://www.telescope.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=373&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=4&iSubCat=10&iProductID=373
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Can any one recommend me a good telescope to buy for hobby astronomy work? The price should be reasonable (not too high). At the minimum I want the telescope to view Neptune, Pluto, red spot on Jupiter and Saturn's rings. I also want to be able to take a pictures (if that is possible by attaching an external camera to telescope somehow). TIA.
I recently bought a Celestron NexStar 130 SLT (Link[^]) and have been very happy with it. I am a beginner and had no problem learning how to use it and at about AUD$800 is is reasonably priced. It is a great telescope straight out of the box though you will find yourself needing/wanting to buy some accessories like a Barlow lens, extra eye pieces and filters (though I think this would be the same for any telescope) and most importantly you will want the external battery pack for the tripod as the on board batteries do not last very long and it is not too often that you will be using the telescope near another power source that you can plug it into. As for photographs and CCD images a simple camera mount will do the trick for little money... provided your camera is suitable but for a CCD attachment it is quite expensive. Anyway good luck and enjoy your telescope, what ever you get. Cheers.
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If you want to take pictures of deep sky objects, be prepared to spend at least $1000. Mounts that can track accurately enough to let you do long exposures are very expensive. If you are just interested in taking pictures of planets, something like this (see link below) would work very well. http://www.telescope.com/shopping/product/detailmain.jsp?itemID=373&itemType=PRODUCT&iMainCat=4&iSubCat=10&iProductID=373
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
"If you want to take pictures of deep sky objects, be prepared to spend at least $1000." Sorry, I have to disagree on that. I've been doing deep sky imaging with a fairly cheap telescope and a modified web cam for a few years now. If you want something a bit better than web cam quality, there's also the Meade Deep Sky Imager for a few hundred dollars (I'm saving for one myself). "Mounts that can track accurately enough to let you do long exposures are very expensive." By using shorter exposures and stacking multiple images you can get round the problem of drive errors. At times I've used over a hundred frames to get a final image, and even with the web cam the quality is surprisingly good. (For long exposures you do need to either modify a web cam yourself, or buy one of the commercial versions, which are quite cheap.) As with many things, there are tricks which can make the task easier and cheaper, so it isn't necessary to spend a lot of money to do astrophotography. As a final thought, don't spend a fortune on your first telescope. I've known a lot of people who've splashed out on really expensive kit then been disappointed because they didn't get the results they expected. molesworth
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Others have already replied with some good suggestions. You may want to check out the Cloudy Nights forums as well. Lots of helpful folks who can give suggestions for just about anything you're looking to do.
James
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"If you want to take pictures of deep sky objects, be prepared to spend at least $1000." Sorry, I have to disagree on that. I've been doing deep sky imaging with a fairly cheap telescope and a modified web cam for a few years now. If you want something a bit better than web cam quality, there's also the Meade Deep Sky Imager for a few hundred dollars (I'm saving for one myself). "Mounts that can track accurately enough to let you do long exposures are very expensive." By using shorter exposures and stacking multiple images you can get round the problem of drive errors. At times I've used over a hundred frames to get a final image, and even with the web cam the quality is surprisingly good. (For long exposures you do need to either modify a web cam yourself, or buy one of the commercial versions, which are quite cheap.) As with many things, there are tricks which can make the task easier and cheaper, so it isn't necessary to spend a lot of money to do astrophotography. As a final thought, don't spend a fortune on your first telescope. I've known a lot of people who've splashed out on really expensive kit then been disappointed because they didn't get the results they expected. molesworth
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All my attempts at deep sky with a cheaper mount have not turned out well. Even with a ST-80 refractor I could not get more than about 10 seconds exposure.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
With a webcam you're taking a mess of sub second images and stacking them. The last I looked at doing this (a few years ago) it was only viable for imaging the planets and a handful of the highest surface brightness DSOs.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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With a webcam you're taking a mess of sub second images and stacking them. The last I looked at doing this (a few years ago) it was only viable for imaging the planets and a handful of the highest surface brightness DSOs.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
I would not expect to see many deep sky objects with a webcam unless it is modified. I have a ToUCam that I use for planetary imaging, and if you are lucky, you might be able to see the very core of M42 on a F/5 system. I could not even get nebulosity on the Lagoon nebula. Of course others may have had better luck at it. I would post a link to my gallery, but it contains alot of personal information.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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All my attempts at deep sky with a cheaper mount have not turned out well. Even with a ST-80 refractor I could not get more than about 10 seconds exposure.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
10 seconds should be enough for most of the brighter deep sky objects, unless you have really bad light pollutuon in your observing area. A couple of dozen 10s images should be enough for some of the easier Messier objects for example. Good stacking software like Registax or K3CCD will help a lot as well. It's possible your mount might need a check-over and maybe some adjustments will improve your tracking, so you can get longer exposures. There may be web sites or online groups for your telescope and/or mount that can give you advice on that sort of thing. molesworth
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I would not expect to see many deep sky objects with a webcam unless it is modified. I have a ToUCam that I use for planetary imaging, and if you are lucky, you might be able to see the very core of M42 on a F/5 system. I could not even get nebulosity on the Lagoon nebula. Of course others may have had better luck at it. I would post a link to my gallery, but it contains alot of personal information.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
Indeed, an unmodified webcam won't get you the long exposures you need for fainter objects like nebulae, clusters and galaxies. It took me a while to get it done and working, but the results are worth it. There are a few commercial versions around now, based on the original ideas from the folks at QCUIAG, and they're a good cheaper alternative to the Meade imagers. molesworth
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10 seconds should be enough for most of the brighter deep sky objects, unless you have really bad light pollutuon in your observing area. A couple of dozen 10s images should be enough for some of the easier Messier objects for example. Good stacking software like Registax or K3CCD will help a lot as well. It's possible your mount might need a check-over and maybe some adjustments will improve your tracking, so you can get longer exposures. There may be web sites or online groups for your telescope and/or mount that can give you advice on that sort of thing. molesworth
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I have an accurate mount that I use for imaging. The mount I was referring to was an orion EQ-3 mount. The periodic error and backlash in it are atrocious. What kind of telescope do you use for imaging?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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I have an accurate mount that I use for imaging. The mount I was referring to was an orion EQ-3 mount. The periodic error and backlash in it are atrocious. What kind of telescope do you use for imaging?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
I have an Orion 150 (6") f5 - that's the UK Orion Optics rather than the US one - on a GEM 1 mount. When I started imaging I found the drive was quite bad, but found a few sites and user groups with explanations on how to strip it and tighten up the whole drive chain. It's not perfect but it keeps reasonably good tracking for doing up to 20 second exposures. I'm considering modifying it to add autoguiding (e.g. Peter Katreniak's excellent method[^]) and it would be a good summer evenings project :) Have a hunt around and you can perhaps find some info on improving your mount as well. I came across this page[^] which has a section near the bottom which might be relevant, and I'm sure there are more out there. I'm always amazed how many computer folks are into astronomy - it seems to be quite a popular pursuit. We've only got about 25 people in our company, with 3 serious astronomers, and a few others with a strong interest. The only other groups which seem to have such a high percentage are medics and the clergy. I'm sure there's a reason for it, but I can't think what... :)
There are three kinds of people in the world - those who can count and those who can't...
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I have an Orion 150 (6") f5 - that's the UK Orion Optics rather than the US one - on a GEM 1 mount. When I started imaging I found the drive was quite bad, but found a few sites and user groups with explanations on how to strip it and tighten up the whole drive chain. It's not perfect but it keeps reasonably good tracking for doing up to 20 second exposures. I'm considering modifying it to add autoguiding (e.g. Peter Katreniak's excellent method[^]) and it would be a good summer evenings project :) Have a hunt around and you can perhaps find some info on improving your mount as well. I came across this page[^] which has a section near the bottom which might be relevant, and I'm sure there are more out there. I'm always amazed how many computer folks are into astronomy - it seems to be quite a popular pursuit. We've only got about 25 people in our company, with 3 serious astronomers, and a few others with a strong interest. The only other groups which seem to have such a high percentage are medics and the clergy. I'm sure there's a reason for it, but I can't think what... :)
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For Astrophotography I have a 8" Classical Cassegrain on a G11 mount. That looks interesting modifying your mount to add autoguiding. I am sure that would significantly increase the time you could do exposures. And I know what you mean about astronomers and computer programmers. A good percentage of people in the astronomy club I go to are computer programmers.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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Good to see you back:)
Thanks :) I've been lurking for a while, just not hitting the site nearly as much as I used to.
James
