I got to get this off my chest....
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
What he is doing is sucking the life out of the wonderful people I work with (and myself). It is making the entire development team feel unappreciated and like we are disposable (and maybe we truly are, I hope not though).
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
What he is doing is sucking the life out of the wonderful people I work with (and myself). It is making the entire development team feel unappreciated and like we are disposable (and maybe we truly are, I hope not though).
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
For some reason, I feel like I'm stuck in Dilbert cartoon here.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
You will be outsourced and/or replaced with H1Bs. Why? Because (obviously) the company you 'love' just can't find people with the appropriate technical skills in your country...(it also might have something to do with trimming labor costs, pensions, fringes and providing a more substantial margin for the principals/owners/stockholders). Just remember, "...outsourcing is good for the economy..." (I'm sure you remember who said that...). -- modified at 23:35 Thursday 7th June, 2007
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
What he is doing is sucking the life out of the wonderful people I work with (and myself). It is making the entire development team feel unappreciated and like we are disposable (and maybe we truly are, I hope not though).
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Shog9 wrote:
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
Shog I would love nothing more than to "not care", but theres a lot riding on this. It's almost like he's trying to drive everyone insane or out. Maybe thats just me.
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
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You will be outsourced and/or replaced with H1Bs. Why? Because (obviously) the company you 'love' just can't find people with the appropriate technical skills in your country...(it also might have something to do with trimming labor costs, pensions, fringes and providing a more substantial margin for the principals/owners/stockholders). Just remember, "...outsourcing is good for the economy..." (I'm sure you remember who said that...). -- modified at 23:35 Thursday 7th June, 2007
jorgening wrote:
Just remember, "...outsourcing is good for the economy
Well i Don't feel outsourcing is good for my economy. We have more talented people than I've ever worked with. The problem is they brought someone in who wants to change the platform for no apparent reason. I've researched the platform he wants our web presence on, and it seems very suitable for our internal Intranet, for the IT Project system, for the IT Team System but not really for all of our websites. And he chose a platform he knew beforehand no one there had ever worked with, so why would someone do that?
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
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Shog9 wrote:
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
Shog I would love nothing more than to "not care", but theres a lot riding on this. It's almost like he's trying to drive everyone insane or out. Maybe thats just me.
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
Shog I would love nothing more than to "not care", but theres a lot riding on this.
Yeah, i know. But really, what can you do? I catch myself doing this all the time, getting worked up about something that's happening higher up... It's a shame, but, there's nothing to be done - letting it eat at me ain't gonna change that.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
Shog I would love nothing more than to "not care", but theres a lot riding on this.
Yeah, i know. But really, what can you do? I catch myself doing this all the time, getting worked up about something that's happening higher up... It's a shame, but, there's nothing to be done - letting it eat at me ain't gonna change that.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Shog9 wrote:
It's a shame, but, there's nothing to be done - letting it eat at me ain't gonna change that.
I whole heartedly agree, and it's not just me who's upset about this, there isn't a single project manager who's happy with the, our DBA is working his a** trying to get this off-site/replication fixed and isn't liking it one bit. Granted we could go up over the VP's head to the CEO/President of the company but in the long run what will that accomplish for us other than a complete alienation from the VP of our department (which in turn could be detrimental to our employment there). It's very frustrating that once he outsources we're going to be relegated to fixing buggy code from an outsourced company. I once worked for a company that opened the outsourcing door and in the long run it took us so much time fixing the quirky, buggy, flat out horrible code they gave us that we would have done the entire project in-house and for less money. Speaking from experience here, once a company opens the outsourcing door, it's very hard to close again. The company I worked for in San Diego ended up losing a lot of its developers and project managers due to them being demoted to bug fixers and the like (I dont know of a single professional developer who will stand for this).
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
The fact that you care deeply about your work and its meaning to the business says a lot of good things about you. And I'm sure you're an excellent employee that any company would like to have. But at the same time you must realize that in the modern business world, such devotion is a one-way street. You are expected to be devoted to the company, but the company is not in any way required to be devoted to you. It's sad, but true. With your attitude about your work, you would probably be much happier working for yourself.
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Shog9 wrote:
It's a shame, but, there's nothing to be done - letting it eat at me ain't gonna change that.
I whole heartedly agree, and it's not just me who's upset about this, there isn't a single project manager who's happy with the, our DBA is working his a** trying to get this off-site/replication fixed and isn't liking it one bit. Granted we could go up over the VP's head to the CEO/President of the company but in the long run what will that accomplish for us other than a complete alienation from the VP of our department (which in turn could be detrimental to our employment there). It's very frustrating that once he outsources we're going to be relegated to fixing buggy code from an outsourced company. I once worked for a company that opened the outsourcing door and in the long run it took us so much time fixing the quirky, buggy, flat out horrible code they gave us that we would have done the entire project in-house and for less money. Speaking from experience here, once a company opens the outsourcing door, it's very hard to close again. The company I worked for in San Diego ended up losing a lot of its developers and project managers due to them being demoted to bug fixers and the like (I dont know of a single professional developer who will stand for this).
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
It's very frustrating that once he outsources we're going to be relegated to fixing buggy code from an outsourced company.
If that is the result of doing nothing, why are you worried about potential alienation from the VP? Given those two options options I know what I would choose. If there is literally nothing you can do, then I reckon Shog is dead on the money - just don't care. But if there is something you can do (i.e. skip the VP) and you care enough about it, then the outcomes you've listed shout a big "why not" to me. - Phil
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jorgening wrote:
Just remember, "...outsourcing is good for the economy
Well i Don't feel outsourcing is good for my economy. We have more talented people than I've ever worked with. The problem is they brought someone in who wants to change the platform for no apparent reason. I've researched the platform he wants our web presence on, and it seems very suitable for our internal Intranet, for the IT Project system, for the IT Team System but not really for all of our websites. And he chose a platform he knew beforehand no one there had ever worked with, so why would someone do that?
"Okay, I give up: which is NOT a real programming language????" Michael Bergman
"Well yes, it is an Integer, but it's a metrosexual Integer. For all we know, under all that hair gel it could be a Boolean." Tom Welch
"Let's face it, the average computer user has the brain of a Spider Monkey." Bill Gates
Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
The problem is they brought someone in who wants to change the platform for no apparent reason.
That just says to me there is a reason that isn't being communicated to your level. You can be sure there is a giant reason for it, you may just not know what it is. If your outsourcing comments are true, it may just be a way to legally sack most of the current expensive staff because their skills are a bad fit, and get some out sourcing happening. Massively reduce costs, ride the profits for a year, and sell off his shares. He gets a nice company on his resume that increased shareholder value by 80% under his reign, and a nice cash bonus on the side. I'm not saying that is what the VP is doing (how on earth could I) but it is a possible one. -- modified at 3:57 Thursday 7th June, 2007
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
It sounds like change for change's sake, never a good idea. You're not wrong in disliking it but there's little you can do in a situation like that but move on to work elsewhere. Or wait him out, it sounds like the higher ups are going to be unhappy with him in the long run.
"110%" - it's the new 70%
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
The problem is they brought someone in who wants to change the platform for no apparent reason.
That just says to me there is a reason that isn't being communicated to your level. You can be sure there is a giant reason for it, you may just not know what it is. If your outsourcing comments are true, it may just be a way to legally sack most of the current expensive staff because their skills are a bad fit, and get some out sourcing happening. Massively reduce costs, ride the profits for a year, and sell off his shares. He gets a nice company on his resume that increased shareholder value by 80% under his reign, and a nice cash bonus on the side. I'm not saying that is what the VP is doing (how on earth could I) but it is a possible one. -- modified at 3:57 Thursday 7th June, 2007
I agree. It is sad when this happens but unfortunately this is also "textbook" as the saying goes. I have seen this a couple of times and once even where I used to work. The VP or CIO or someone leaves and the company gets someone to "ruffle the feathers" as they say. This gets a lot of the people that work there upset and they will then leave. This is usually the highest paid members. This will cause the salaries paid to be less and therefore the company's profit goes up and this means the stock prices go up. This is very nasty - but it happens. My advice would be to just "ride it out" things should settle down eventually.
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
Shog I would love nothing more than to "not care", but theres a lot riding on this.
Yeah, i know. But really, what can you do? I catch myself doing this all the time, getting worked up about something that's happening higher up... It's a shame, but, there's nothing to be done - letting it eat at me ain't gonna change that.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Shog9 wrote:
I catch myself doing this all the time, getting worked up about something that's happening higher up
Me too - to get over it, I try to put my head down and lose myself in something technical - that usually gives me a sense of achievement (and not a little megalomania - 'Ha, I'm the Master of the Universe!') that shields me from the day to day sh*t-storm of political BS.
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
Sounds like exit time! I went through a similar experience several years ago. The company was slowly but steadily moving our work to India, while having us educate them. And ofcourse the management was never are open about their motives. Bottom line is: they don't care about you, they don't care about making a good product, they don't care about long term. They care about making money on the short term. I pressed the exit button when I had the chance, started writing my own software, doing contracting, and I have never regretted it! Other companies better deserve your talent (looking for a job by the way? :-)) Edit: oh, and don't think that any company won't hire an asshole to get the dirty work done.
Wout
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Psycho-*Coder*-Extreme wrote:
What he is doing is sucking the life out of the wonderful people I work with (and myself). It is making the entire development team feel unappreciated and like we are disposable (and maybe we truly are, I hope not though).
Eh, it happens. The trick, i think, is learning to not care.
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
:sigh:
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistpeterchen wrote:
:sigh:
See, that's the face of someone who gives a rat's ass about things he can't hope to change. I bet you fret about Global Warming, too... ;P Seriously though, i'm not saying don't do a good job... but no matter how well you do, sooner or later someone's gonna wreck it. Heck, it might even be you. Just ask George Lucas... :rolleyes:
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
Sounds like your company is screwed already. If so, your best bet is to move the entire team to greener pastures - a place where people are still allowed to enjoy their day job.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist -
Let me start by saying that I truly hope this doesn't offend anyone, or step on anyone's toes but I have to get this off my chest and vent. I have worked for this company for a little over 2 years now, and in my opinion it's the best company I've worked for as far as taking care of their development team and IT Department, when we ask for new hardware or software 90% of the time we get it, and in a timely fasion. I know tons of developers who would love to work in my work environment. Now rewind 6 months, the VP of IT at that time, a brilliant man, great to work for, resigned and moved onto greener pastures (well maybe it was 8 or 9 months, I'm not counting). The company then brings in a new VP of IT (from an "unnamed" company, a very large company). Said new VP looks around, assesses the situation, then decides to major changes with the way the company/depart operate. Now granted change can be good, most of the time it can lead to greater things for the company, but other times, such as when said person decides to make said changes without talking it over with the department, development team, or anyone else involved in making said changes. Changes such as, completely changing platforms that the company web presence runs on, a platform that no one on the Development Team even knows, so he wants to outsource the work (yeah thats it, take work away from the very people who have kept this company running for 50 years). Then he wants to move all data off-site. Now I know lots of companies employ co-locating servers, but wouldn't it be a good idea to give some kind of advance notice, so we can have time to, oh I don't know, find where things are going to break with the new replication scheme , when replicating, we have web data, and in-house application data, instead of adding a field to all tables dictating where the data is coming from, ie; "Web" or "In-House" they have decided to make web data primary keys be negative numbers and in-house keys be positive numbers. I can think of tons of ways this will impact/break both web and in-house software. Now granted, I very well may be blowing this out of proportion, but this just doesn't seem right to me. If he wants to change platforms then give the developers advanced notice, provide some training on said platform, and set a launch date far enough in the future to make is feasible, not a date that makes it impossible to so anything but to outsource the work. Moving database servers off-site is a fair move, but think it through thoroughly and find the places it can brea
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peterchen wrote:
:sigh:
See, that's the face of someone who gives a rat's ass about things he can't hope to change. I bet you fret about Global Warming, too... ;P Seriously though, i'm not saying don't do a good job... but no matter how well you do, sooner or later someone's gonna wreck it. Heck, it might even be you. Just ask George Lucas... :rolleyes:
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Seriously, I sighed because they got you, too.
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You will be outsourced and/or replaced with H1Bs. Why? Because (obviously) the company you 'love' just can't find people with the appropriate technical skills in your country...(it also might have something to do with trimming labor costs, pensions, fringes and providing a more substantial margin for the principals/owners/stockholders). Just remember, "...outsourcing is good for the economy..." (I'm sure you remember who said that...). -- modified at 23:35 Thursday 7th June, 2007
jorgening wrote:
You will be outsourced and/or replaced with H1Ds.
No doubt at that.
jorgening wrote:
Why?
My bet: Because the VP has no clue and goes with what the other guys do.
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