How Christians see non-christians
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Nothing you say here is supported by scripture. Absolutely nothing.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
Use of large font does not improve the accuracy of your statement. Quite ironic when nothing, real nothing is a large part of what I was trying to explain.;)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
At least you have deffered to the right authority, the Bible, even if you don't understand a word of it. I'm sorry that you have clearly had such shockingly bad biblical teaching.
How curious... It would appear that you're a liar and, at the very least, a hypocrite. Tsk, tsk, tsk... You see, you claimed that you didn't abuse the forums or other members, yet, here you are doing just that. How do you reconcile your lie with this obvious truth? How is this Christian behaviour? And you're not just abusing the forums by trolling, oh no! You're abusing other members here. Liars always get caught. Always. :cool: So tell me, should I notify the administration? What is your opinion regarding this?
"All your God are belong to us."
Bad attempt to cause trouble;P. You'll have to try harder cause you'll get no help from me. You can notify anyone who will listen. I can't think it will be many though as you are clearly doing all the things you are randomly accusing me of. Instructing an errant brother is entirely Christian behaviour. If you want to know what we're instructed to do if they don't take any notice, just keep trolling.:-D
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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While I doubt that you are indeed so curious and we have been down this road of 'why I believe' before It's your topic so I will indulge you. What I have given you is an explanation of my understanding of separation from God and its logical consequences. Separation from God is the primary attribute of hell. Being cast completely out of his presence is to be cast into hell. From this, human nature and the incites into the post judgement order that are present in the book of revelations one can construct this picture of what hell is and why it is that way. While it remains simply my interpretation I believe it to be accurate and derived without addition or prejudice from biblical sources. That you don't believe or place any authority in those sources is a given.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Quote: That you don't believe or place any authority in those sources is a given. So what is the point? You explaining your ridiculous idea of hell to me over and over is not going to change that. If it is real then i will find out eventually. :) Maybe the demons will be nice to me though, because I listen to death metal music. :laugh:
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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ahhz wrote:
God will *not* judge or condemn
I read that a little too fast and thought you typed "condom"...
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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Quote: That you don't believe or place any authority in those sources is a given. So what is the point? You explaining your ridiculous idea of hell to me over and over is not going to change that. If it is real then i will find out eventually. :) Maybe the demons will be nice to me though, because I listen to death metal music. :laugh:
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
You asked. Now you know and do not even have the fig leaf of ignorance.:omg:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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You asked. Now you know and do not even have the fig leaf of ignorance.:omg:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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I am curious, what made you want to come here and try to convice everyone everyone of your religion? Are you from Gary Kirkham's church?
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
"I am curious" You've almost got me convinced of that ;) "what made you want to come here and try to convice everyone everyone of your religion". I thought you started this topic but hey ho. "Are you from Gary Kirkham's church?" As you might not be aware there is only one true Church so the answer is. If he is a Christian, yes.:cool:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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"I am curious" You've almost got me convinced of that ;) "what made you want to come here and try to convice everyone everyone of your religion". I thought you started this topic but hey ho. "Are you from Gary Kirkham's church?" As you might not be aware there is only one true Church so the answer is. If he is a Christian, yes.:cool:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Quote: As you might not be aware there is only one true Church so the answer is. If he is a Christian, yes. No, I live in the Bible Belt and there are about 50 in a 10 mile radius of me and they all claim to be the one "true" church.
The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams
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Bad attempt to cause trouble;P. You'll have to try harder cause you'll get no help from me. You can notify anyone who will listen. I can't think it will be many though as you are clearly doing all the things you are randomly accusing me of. Instructing an errant brother is entirely Christian behaviour. If you want to know what we're instructed to do if they don't take any notice, just keep trolling.:-D
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
I'm not causing trouble. I'm exposing the truth. You stand to learn alot from that if you only paid attention.
"All your God are belong to us."
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I'm not causing trouble. I'm exposing the truth. You stand to learn alot from that if you only paid attention.
"All your God are belong to us."
No, you're not causing trouble. Just trying to. In order to expose any truth you have to know what and who truth is. If you're in need of attention I am not your man :rose:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No, you're not causing trouble. Just trying to. In order to expose any truth you have to know what and who truth is. If you're in need of attention I am not your man :rose:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If you're in need of attention I am not your man
:laugh: :rolleyes:
"All your God are belong to us."
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You asked. Now you know and do not even have the fig leaf of ignorance.:omg:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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"The Judge of all the earth" profoundly disagrees with you so I really don't have to. At least you have deffered to the right authority, the Bible, even if you don't understand a word of it. I'm sorry that you have clearly had such shockingly bad biblical teaching. I'm not going to give you a sermon on salvation, I suspect it would take more than one but I'll leave you with this thought. If the ignorant and the idolators are to be pardoned anyway why exactly did Jesus die?
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If the ignorant and the idolators are to be pardoned anyway why exactly did Jesus die?
So according to you, your twat god will fuck over poor bastards that never had the opportunity to hear about him. Therefore having no chance to believe in him. Seems a right cocksucker.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If the ignorant and the idolators are to be pardoned anyway why exactly did Jesus die?
So according to you, your twat god will fuck over poor bastards that never had the opportunity to hear about him. Therefore having no chance to believe in him. Seems a right cocksucker.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
So according to you, your twat god will f*** over poor bastards that never had the opportunity to hear about him. Therefore having no chance to believe in him. Seems a right cocksucker.
Nicely phrased, obviously a bid to insinuate your way into God's favour ;) If you read the rest of the posts you'll see that it is people who reject God who will be doing this to themselves as a consequence. No one has an excuse and God is completely just, it's part of his nature. He will judge, not you or me. If this makes you angry, that's perfectly normal. Disappointment when faced with the fact you're not divine and it isn't your universe to do as you like with is a common human experience. How will you choose to deal with it?
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Michael Martin wrote:
So according to you, your twat god will f*** over poor bastards that never had the opportunity to hear about him. Therefore having no chance to believe in him. Seems a right cocksucker.
Nicely phrased, obviously a bid to insinuate your way into God's favour ;) If you read the rest of the posts you'll see that it is people who reject God who will be doing this to themselves as a consequence. No one has an excuse and God is completely just, it's part of his nature. He will judge, not you or me. If this makes you angry, that's perfectly normal. Disappointment when faced with the fact you're not divine and it isn't your universe to do as you like with is a common human experience. How will you choose to deal with it?
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If you read the rest of the posts you'll see that it is people who reject God who will be doing this to themselves as a consequence.
This quote from your original post seems to contradict what you are saying now. If the ignorant and the idolators are to be pardoned anyway why exactly did Jesus die? You can't have it both ways, god is either judging everyone or only those who reject. Choose one.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If this makes you angry, that's perfectly normal. Disappointment when faced with the fact you're not divine and it isn't your universe to do as you like with is a common human experience. How will you choose to deal with it?
As he is less real than the Simpsons I have nothing to worry about.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If you read the rest of the posts you'll see that it is people who reject God who will be doing this to themselves as a consequence.
This quote from your original post seems to contradict what you are saying now. If the ignorant and the idolators are to be pardoned anyway why exactly did Jesus die? You can't have it both ways, god is either judging everyone or only those who reject. Choose one.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
If this makes you angry, that's perfectly normal. Disappointment when faced with the fact you're not divine and it isn't your universe to do as you like with is a common human experience. How will you choose to deal with it?
As he is less real than the Simpsons I have nothing to worry about.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
No, I'm not trying to split hairs, everyone who does not actively accept Jesus as Lord is rejecting God. He has placed the evidence of creation before everyone and he will judge each and every one according to what each has done with what has been given to him, including knowledge, experiences, evidences, etc. He is "The Judge of all the earth" as I previously said, both those who reject him actively or passively and those who accept him. Being perfectly just is one of the defining attributes of God. So if you're perfect by his standards then indeed you have nothing to worry about.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No, I'm not trying to split hairs, everyone who does not actively accept Jesus as Lord is rejecting God. He has placed the evidence of creation before everyone and he will judge each and every one according to what each has done with what has been given to him, including knowledge, experiences, evidences, etc. He is "The Judge of all the earth" as I previously said, both those who reject him actively or passively and those who accept him. Being perfectly just is one of the defining attributes of God. So if you're perfect by his standards then indeed you have nothing to worry about.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
...then indeed you have nothing to worry about.
I have more belief and fear in Sideshow Bob. What I don't get with you and other weirded up godpeople is your interpretation of punishment from god in the nonbelievers. According to you people from tribes in Papua New Guinea who have no access to the modern world and still live like they did 1000's of years ago will be fucked over by god as they don't actively worship him. They don't know about him, haven't heard of him and this wonderful evedence you mention is not known to them. Since he obviously hasn't introduced himself to them in person or by one of his godheads how can he judge them?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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You can always cover your balls in the cold. When it's hot and sticky though there's no getting them comfortable.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
...then indeed you have nothing to worry about.
I have more belief and fear in Sideshow Bob. What I don't get with you and other weirded up godpeople is your interpretation of punishment from god in the nonbelievers. According to you people from tribes in Papua New Guinea who have no access to the modern world and still live like they did 1000's of years ago will be fucked over by god as they don't actively worship him. They don't know about him, haven't heard of him and this wonderful evedence you mention is not known to them. Since he obviously hasn't introduced himself to them in person or by one of his godheads how can he judge them?
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Sideshow Bob sure scares me :laugh: God can judge those he created, which is everyone. His status as creator gives him the right. How he will judge them is justly because that's his nature. The poor people of Papua, who you can be sure Christians have been risking their lives trying to reach since it became possible, are a good example of an old problem. What about those who haven't heard? God's answer comes in 2 parts. Firstly make sure you are saved before you worry about judgement falling on them. How can you help them if you are perishing. Then when you're saved go and tell them about Jesus so that they may also be saved. Secondly, even those who have nothing but the world around them as evidence, like the aforementioned Papuans should be able to see that there is a God. If they reach out to him, he may indeed visit them in person, as he did with Isaac and other historical figures who did not have the full written word of God. God himself cites Abraham as an example of someone who despite living among unbelievers and not having the written word, believed, even having faith that God's promises to him would be fullfiled though he died before he saw it, and "it was credited to him as righteousness". How the final judgement of God will take account of degrees or shades of guilt or ignorance or righteousness is not revealed. We don't need to know beyond that justice will be done. What we are told clearly is the narrow way of salvation. Belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God, repentence of sins, new life in him. No other way or path or door. He said "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except by me." I hope this gives you more of an understanding of what it is you don't believe in.:)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
