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I think vista is nice, for a normal person. If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice , further more , whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user,has anyone heard of ReactOS , windows alternative they managed to build a windows kernel from scratch. edward
React-OS is based on Linux - it's not a "windows kernel written from scratch".
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I think vista is nice, for a normal person. If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice , further more , whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user,has anyone heard of ReactOS , windows alternative they managed to build a windows kernel from scratch. edward
That's not been my experience, I've been using Vista for development of .net apps both winform and asp.net for many months now and I find it to be just fine. I used XP Pro before that. There was some new stuff to learn and take into consideration but once that's out of the way it's no different.
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I think vista is nice, for a normal person. If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice , further more , whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user,has anyone heard of ReactOS , windows alternative they managed to build a windows kernel from scratch. edward
turn off UAC and Vista's fine for development, once you get used to the little annoyances.
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I think vista is nice, for a normal person. If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice , further more , whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user,has anyone heard of ReactOS , windows alternative they managed to build a windows kernel from scratch. edward
I am in in the "me too" group of using Vista for development. Have used it since Beta 2 and would not go back. Use to use Win2003 server for development, but Vsita 64 works great for me! The only difference I notice as far as performance is that Vista does eat more memory, but when you compare that to my old system, if I used desktop search on it, the same memory requirements would have applied.
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I use Vista on the laptop for development (I'm on the laptop right now) because that's what it came with, and perusing the Internet it appears that there are no XP drivers for most of the hardware on this machine. I must say, I'm impressed. I haven't had the problems that occur on the Vista box that my client sent me. I guess Sony made sure it's hardware worked with Vista. I also use XP as the primary development box at home. Frankly, the only differences that affect me is the lower performance of the laptop, which is a hardware issue, not an OS issue. However, I have turned off a variety of Vista annoyances (see my blog) and am going to ditch Vista's Explorer for TotalCommander, just as I've ditched IE7 for Avant (the IE engine appears to be fine, it's the UI that's crap). What I find more annoying that Vista is the Office 2007 products. Someone took a wrong turn down usability lane, IMO. I'll actually be looking at Sun's office suite soon too. Too many stupid things about Office 2007 (some of which I've blogged about). Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
What I find more annoying that Vista is the Office 2007 products. Someone took a wrong turn down usability lane, IMO. I'll actually be looking at Sun's office suite soon too. Too many stupid things about Office 2007 (some of which I've blogged about).
Curiously, I've gone the other way around. For most of last year I was using Sun's OpenOffice suite and then Office 2007 came along and I ditched Sun's offering. True some of the new features are a bit odd to get used to, but I picked it up fairly quickly. The online help took a couple of wrong turnings when I wanted to know where something had moved, but on the whole I like the new interface. It also, despite the lack of menus, remembers the old Alt menu key sequences.
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I think vista is nice, for a normal person. If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice , further more , whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user,has anyone heard of ReactOS , windows alternative they managed to build a windows kernel from scratch. edward
Eduardo Arreola wrote:
If you are talking Development, Windows XP Pro is the Obvious choice
Is it?! I currently develop on Vista and I'm finding it great.
Eduardo Arreola wrote:
whats sucks is that vista will eventually become the standard for the home user
Is that a bad thing? It is a wee bit more secure than XP and makes configuring hardware so much easier. I did have one or two problems installing it on an old desktop (and I've blogged about that) but once over the initial problems I've found I really like it.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
What I find more annoying that Vista is the Office 2007 products. Someone took a wrong turn down usability lane, IMO. I'll actually be looking at Sun's office suite soon too. Too many stupid things about Office 2007 (some of which I've blogged about).
Curiously, I've gone the other way around. For most of last year I was using Sun's OpenOffice suite and then Office 2007 came along and I ditched Sun's offering. True some of the new features are a bit odd to get used to, but I picked it up fairly quickly. The online help took a couple of wrong turnings when I wanted to know where something had moved, but on the whole I like the new interface. It also, despite the lack of menus, remembers the old Alt menu key sequences.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
True some of the new features are a bit odd to get used to, but I picked it up fairly quickly.
Well, for example, in PowerPoint, where is the undo/redo? If I type in Alt-E, U or R, they work, but for the life of me, I can't find them on a menu anywhere! And why can't the File menu just be "File"? Why does it have to a stupid round icon that you don't even think of click on or having any hotkey functionality? All this icon stuff is getting out of hand, IMO. Marc
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
True some of the new features are a bit odd to get used to, but I picked it up fairly quickly.
Well, for example, in PowerPoint, where is the undo/redo? If I type in Alt-E, U or R, they work, but for the life of me, I can't find them on a menu anywhere! And why can't the File menu just be "File"? Why does it have to a stupid round icon that you don't even think of click on or having any hotkey functionality? All this icon stuff is getting out of hand, IMO. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Well, for example, in PowerPoint, where is the undo/redo?
Way up at the top next to the round icon there is a strip of icons (The Quick Access Toolbar) that includes an undo icon. If not press the down arrow at the right side of the toolbar to customise it.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Well, for example, in PowerPoint, where is the undo/redo?
Way up at the top next to the round icon there is a strip of icons (The Quick Access Toolbar) that includes an undo icon. If not press the down arrow at the right side of the toolbar to customise it.
Upcoming events: * Glasgow: Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o, Dependency Injection with Spring ... * Reading: Developer Day 5 Ready to Give up - Your help will be much appreciated. My website
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Way up at the top next to the round icon there is a strip of icons (The Quick Access Toolbar) that includes an undo icon.
I probably never would have noticed. So when I press ALT-E, it comes up with a popup "Office 2003 access key: ALT E" etc., like I'm doing something archaic. :sigh: But thanks! Marc
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I use Vista on the laptop for development (I'm on the laptop right now) because that's what it came with, and perusing the Internet it appears that there are no XP drivers for most of the hardware on this machine. I must say, I'm impressed. I haven't had the problems that occur on the Vista box that my client sent me. I guess Sony made sure it's hardware worked with Vista. I also use XP as the primary development box at home. Frankly, the only differences that affect me is the lower performance of the laptop, which is a hardware issue, not an OS issue. However, I have turned off a variety of Vista annoyances (see my blog) and am going to ditch Vista's Explorer for TotalCommander, just as I've ditched IE7 for Avant (the IE engine appears to be fine, it's the UI that's crap). What I find more annoying that Vista is the Office 2007 products. Someone took a wrong turn down usability lane, IMO. I'll actually be looking at Sun's office suite soon too. Too many stupid things about Office 2007 (some of which I've blogged about). Marc
I just wanted to say that IMO Office '07 is far and away a great leap forward from '03. Sure the new UI takes some getting used to, I won't deny it. But there are things that can be done in '07 that are not easily done in '03 or cannot be done at all, at least in Excel. I probably fall into the 'power-user' category for Excel, or close to it...and I was practically over-joyed when I saw some of the new capabilities. Also, the relative references for tables make working with them so much easier. Maybe for the run-of-the-mill user Office '07 seems like a step back because they have to learn a new UI, but for the more advanced user...I can't see how those people can't see it as an improvement. Also, it's because of this kind of advanced functionality that the various open source competitors aren't really competitors, in my eyes. BW
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I just wanted to say that IMO Office '07 is far and away a great leap forward from '03. Sure the new UI takes some getting used to, I won't deny it. But there are things that can be done in '07 that are not easily done in '03 or cannot be done at all, at least in Excel. I probably fall into the 'power-user' category for Excel, or close to it...and I was practically over-joyed when I saw some of the new capabilities. Also, the relative references for tables make working with them so much easier. Maybe for the run-of-the-mill user Office '07 seems like a step back because they have to learn a new UI, but for the more advanced user...I can't see how those people can't see it as an improvement. Also, it's because of this kind of advanced functionality that the various open source competitors aren't really competitors, in my eyes. BW
Well, for example, I still can't figure out how to delete a row in a table from the keyboard as opposed to right-clicking on the row. I feel that the usability took a turn downward. Features are better, yes, but usability is worse, IMO. Marc
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Well, for example, I still can't figure out how to delete a row in a table from the keyboard as opposed to right-clicking on the row. I feel that the usability took a turn downward. Features are better, yes, but usability is worse, IMO. Marc
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React-OS is based on Linux - it's not a "windows kernel written from scratch".
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
it's not a "windows kernel written from scratch".
hmmm, we know that, whats new? do u know ? did u know that Bill gits introduce the concept of virtualize the OS ! when he was working for IBM but they didnt like his idea then thy fired him " or my be he quited " all of you talking about the same things - flaws or .... - "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new." look arround,, read more and compare about diffrent versions of any product of microsoft from OS to sqlserver2005. !!!
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