Safari on Windows
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I'm posting this from Safari on Windows. Hmmm. Things I've noticed: 1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely. 2. Font sizes are a little awkward. It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox 3. There's a search box that offers only Google and Yahoo. There's no way that I can find to add other providers. It really annoys me that Google and Apple and everyone else cries like a little girl everytime Microsoft doesn't actually put their offerings and services before Microsoft's own, but when the show is on the other foot the double standards come out 4. No tooltips on the toolbar. I'm too scared to click the spider-bug-mutant button in case it turns my mouse into one of those things and I have to get all Crocodile Dundee on it. 5. No way to import settings and bookmarks from other browsers. Overall: It's beta 3 so should be almost cooked and I'm assuming What I See Is What I Will Get with regards to RTM. It seems fine, though clunky and a little jarring. Mostly though there's just a big "Why bother" feeling. I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone, but why couldn't they just make the Gecko engine the crux of the matter and then allow people to develop iPhone apps on FireFox (or any Gecko browser) instead of putting the time into producing a Windows version of a substandard browser? Ah well. I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company. :sigh:
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely.
Someone else mentioned that. Frankly, i didn't notice. I nearly always resize windows that way, especially when they put the little grabber there...
Chris Maunder wrote:
It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox
KHTML, actually. Like Konqueror. And yeah, they brought the Apple font renderer along for the ride, which tends to do a lot less clipping to the pixel grid than ClearType... it's been sort of a big discussion on several blogs.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone
Yeah, that does seem like pretty much the driving factor, unless you count Jobs' unflappable optimism. Of course, some people are predicting that the iPhone will introduce all sorts of bizarre DOM goodies, and that Safari will be the gateway for developers... we'll see.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely.
Someone else mentioned that. Frankly, i didn't notice. I nearly always resize windows that way, especially when they put the little grabber there...
Chris Maunder wrote:
It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox
KHTML, actually. Like Konqueror. And yeah, they brought the Apple font renderer along for the ride, which tends to do a lot less clipping to the pixel grid than ClearType... it's been sort of a big discussion on several blogs.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone
Yeah, that does seem like pretty much the driving factor, unless you count Jobs' unflappable optimism. Of course, some people are predicting that the iPhone will introduce all sorts of bizarre DOM goodies, and that Safari will be the gateway for developers... we'll see.
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Yes, but can you blame them for doing so if that's the only legal way they can hire programmers they want at the rate they can afford?
-- Nish on sketchy hiring practices
If Safari can push DHTML a little and give us some whacky new toys to play with then excellent. Until, of course, we have IE, Opera, Firefox and Safari all doing it a different way. :sigh: I do like the clarity of the Apple font renderer.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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I'm posting this from Safari on Windows. Hmmm. Things I've noticed: 1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely. 2. Font sizes are a little awkward. It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox 3. There's a search box that offers only Google and Yahoo. There's no way that I can find to add other providers. It really annoys me that Google and Apple and everyone else cries like a little girl everytime Microsoft doesn't actually put their offerings and services before Microsoft's own, but when the show is on the other foot the double standards come out 4. No tooltips on the toolbar. I'm too scared to click the spider-bug-mutant button in case it turns my mouse into one of those things and I have to get all Crocodile Dundee on it. 5. No way to import settings and bookmarks from other browsers. Overall: It's beta 3 so should be almost cooked and I'm assuming What I See Is What I Will Get with regards to RTM. It seems fine, though clunky and a little jarring. Mostly though there's just a big "Why bother" feeling. I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone, but why couldn't they just make the Gecko engine the crux of the matter and then allow people to develop iPhone apps on FireFox (or any Gecko browser) instead of putting the time into producing a Windows version of a substandard browser? Ah well. I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company. :sigh:
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Font sizes are a little awkward. It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox
Joel[^] has a good post about the differences in font rendering in Safari 4 Win. Basically it stems from "Apple's legacy in desktop publishing and graphic design"
ChrisB ChrisDoesDev[^]
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Chris Maunder wrote:
You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely.
As somebody pointed out, if you were to port a Windows app to a Mac and retain the Windows L&F (in other words, not go for the Mac behavior) the
iKniveswould be out for you.Chris Maunder wrote:
I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company.
You're learning fast, young Maunder.
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
the iKnives would be out for you.
wielded by the iKnaves. Marc
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Chris Maunder wrote:
You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely.
As somebody pointed out, if you were to port a Windows app to a Mac and retain the Windows L&F (in other words, not go for the Mac behavior) the
iKniveswould be out for you.Chris Maunder wrote:
I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company.
You're learning fast, young Maunder.
Cheers, Vıkram.
After all is said and done, much is said and little is done.
Is there an iShield too to protect us poor CPians? ;)
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If Safari can push DHTML a little and give us some whacky new toys to play with then excellent. Until, of course, we have IE, Opera, Firefox and Safari all doing it a different way. :sigh: I do like the clarity of the Apple font renderer.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
whacky new toys
If you download the nightly build of Safari (yes, I'm daft enough to do that - but on OS X it installs as a separate application called WebKit, so I'm nice and safe with Safari Beta 2), it has a shiny Firebug-a-like thing which lets you inspect all aspects of the DOM, and a Javascript debugger (which is a separate app called Drosera, which, as I'm sure you know, is a bug eating plant). All (allegedly) implemented in JS/DHTML/CSS. PS - version 3 of Safari is the first version of Safari that is acceptable for browsing CodeProject, so they are making some progress :-)
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I'm posting this from Safari on Windows. Hmmm. Things I've noticed: 1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely. 2. Font sizes are a little awkward. It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox 3. There's a search box that offers only Google and Yahoo. There's no way that I can find to add other providers. It really annoys me that Google and Apple and everyone else cries like a little girl everytime Microsoft doesn't actually put their offerings and services before Microsoft's own, but when the show is on the other foot the double standards come out 4. No tooltips on the toolbar. I'm too scared to click the spider-bug-mutant button in case it turns my mouse into one of those things and I have to get all Crocodile Dundee on it. 5. No way to import settings and bookmarks from other browsers. Overall: It's beta 3 so should be almost cooked and I'm assuming What I See Is What I Will Get with regards to RTM. It seems fine, though clunky and a little jarring. Mostly though there's just a big "Why bother" feeling. I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone, but why couldn't they just make the Gecko engine the crux of the matter and then allow people to develop iPhone apps on FireFox (or any Gecko browser) instead of putting the time into producing a Windows version of a substandard browser? Ah well. I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company. :sigh:
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I can't wait to see the Safari vs. IE commercials.
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I'm posting this from Safari on Windows. Hmmm. Things I've noticed: 1. You can only resize the window using the resizer at the bottom right: it basically ignores the Windows UI and theming completely. 2. Font sizes are a little awkward. It's using the Gecko engine but does not render like Firefox 3. There's a search box that offers only Google and Yahoo. There's no way that I can find to add other providers. It really annoys me that Google and Apple and everyone else cries like a little girl everytime Microsoft doesn't actually put their offerings and services before Microsoft's own, but when the show is on the other foot the double standards come out 4. No tooltips on the toolbar. I'm too scared to click the spider-bug-mutant button in case it turns my mouse into one of those things and I have to get all Crocodile Dundee on it. 5. No way to import settings and bookmarks from other browsers. Overall: It's beta 3 so should be almost cooked and I'm assuming What I See Is What I Will Get with regards to RTM. It seems fine, though clunky and a little jarring. Mostly though there's just a big "Why bother" feeling. I understand Safari will be the platform for third party apps on the iPhone so Apple has a vested interest in having Safari available to everyone, but why couldn't they just make the Gecko engine the crux of the matter and then allow people to develop iPhone apps on FireFox (or any Gecko browser) instead of putting the time into producing a Windows version of a substandard browser? Ah well. I guess that's why I'm not the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company. :sigh:
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
why couldn't they just make the Gecko engine the crux of the matter and then allow people to develop iPhone apps on FireFox (or any Gecko browser) instead of putting the time into producing a Windows version of a substandard browser?
Because the evangalical leader of a multi-billion dollar consumer electronics company wants it that way. You know, my way or the i-way. ;P
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Is there an iShield too to protect us poor CPians? ;)
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Notice how everyone prefixes nouns with "i-"? What happened to iVerbs? iRun, iDrink (wait, that's both), iBelieve, iCode. iCode? That sounds like some new intelligent code-guesser that someone will invariably release for Orcas to enhance the code thing. I can picture it now, a paperclip push pin popping up and saying "It looks like you're trying to write a program! Would you like me to write half it for you, so that it does nothing you want it to?"
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Notice how everyone prefixes nouns with "i-"? What happened to iVerbs? iRun, iDrink (wait, that's both), iBelieve, iCode. iCode? That sounds like some new intelligent code-guesser that someone will invariably release for Orcas to enhance the code thing. I can picture it now, a paperclip push pin popping up and saying "It looks like you're trying to write a program! Would you like me to write half it for you, so that it does nothing you want it to?"
Need Another Seven Acronyms...
Confused? You will be...:laugh: iFreeze, iCrash, iBlueScreened, iKnow ...
Network integrated solutions A practical use of the MVC pattern
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:laugh: iFreeze, iCrash, iBlueScreened, iKnow ...
Network integrated solutions A practical use of the MVC pattern
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