Linux - End of Week 1
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Coincidentally enough, I've been using Ubuntu 6.something at work. I've ran into one roadblock after another doing things that should be simple like connecting to a SMB share or partitioning a new hard disk. I've given up almost every time and called over a co-worker that knows Linux, and he usually ends up firing up a terminal and running apt-get to install something or editing widely-scattered config files in vi. Sure the GUI is nice, but to actually do anything, you still need all that arcane Unix knowledge. (Example, the Disks utility has a page labeled Partitions, but you can't actually partition a disk there. The co-worker ended up having to edit some text file, which I would never have known about.)
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GParted[^] is a pretty neat partitioning tool IMO. Has a GUI, is non-destructive, is free and works too!
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
Keyspan has a linux page at http://www.keyspan.com/downloads-files/developer/linux/ Maybe it'll help.
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GParted[^] is a pretty neat partitioning tool IMO. Has a GUI, is non-destructive, is free and works too!
-- gleat http://blogorama.nerdworks.in[^] --
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
Installing stuff to be able access shares... I had an issue trying to write to USB drives... they we formatted as NTFS, and Ubuntu Feisty refused to write, just read instead. After trawling the internet for information I found I needed to enable something in the settings, which then required an install of something via synaptic (no need for VI/apt-get!). People who use the terminal in Linux do it because it's the fastest way of doing anything, no waiting for GUI's to load, auto-complete's on paths with a single tab, run ANYTHING from it without browsing for icons under submenu's... but that only works if you know the commands and have practised! If you want to install something, use the synaptic package manager, want to edit a config file, press alt+F2 (i think... rusty!) and up pops the run window, simple "gedit filename" should suffice! Although linux has come along way, I think most average people would struggle to get exactly what they wanted if they switched and went cold-turkey from Windows... but only in the initial period. After all the installation and a few apt-get's, config edits etc the system will "just work". I forced myself to spend a few weeks cold-turkey from my Windows partition (even in work!) so I would make myself learn some of the tricks of Linux without just doing in Windows instead... eventually I realised it's not that easy, if you want to program a c#.Net ap' then Windows is the better operating system for the job, because the tools are on there and proven... Mono is just not up to the same level yet! My normal day inside linux (kind of an essential tools thing): I use Ubuntu Feisty, at work I use SharpDevelop/VS under Windows XP within VMWare to do my applications... VMware runs as a full panel in my desktop cube... which is made nice and pretty via Beryl!! :) Switching files between the two systems is done via samba share. I use many open source tools under Linux to do thinks like encode/decode video (I work in imaging), manage scripts, program the net, just play around!! Amarok is by far the best media player in the world... Linux only (for the minute, but they are working on Windows builds). Side-note: If you are using VMWare, install the VMWare tools... it makes jumping in and out of the guest operating system as easy as moving your mouse into and out of the window (no ctrl-clicks!).. also speeds up the operating system a little. I think you just go under Tools->VMWareTools or something... it loads itself as a CD in the guest system and installs like any other w
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
Hi Glad you have tried Linux. Beats those that have not tried it yet still feel the need to remark. I have to agree with Gavins remarks above. It seems that you have installed Linux as an Windows replacement. Linux is not a replacement for Windows but is an OS in it's own right. I would urge you to continue using Linux for a while longer even if it's as a secondary OS. It is also worth remembering that Ubuntu is not the only version of Linux (although it is one of the more popular). I would recomend heading over to Distrowatch to look at a comprehensive list of other Linux/BSD based distros. openSuse, Fedora and Debian are but a few worth a look. It's also worth looking at the different applications available using differetnt window managers (Kde, Gnome or xfce to name but 3). If you are looking for help or advice you would do worst then going to Linuxquestions.org. Just out of interest what are you aiming to achieve using Linux? are you looking to use it as a development platform or just to use it as a daya to day platform? Gonzo
Oh, uh, good question. Now technically speaking, uhh, let's say, put me down as a... 'Whatever'?
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Hi Glad you have tried Linux. Beats those that have not tried it yet still feel the need to remark. I have to agree with Gavins remarks above. It seems that you have installed Linux as an Windows replacement. Linux is not a replacement for Windows but is an OS in it's own right. I would urge you to continue using Linux for a while longer even if it's as a secondary OS. It is also worth remembering that Ubuntu is not the only version of Linux (although it is one of the more popular). I would recomend heading over to Distrowatch to look at a comprehensive list of other Linux/BSD based distros. openSuse, Fedora and Debian are but a few worth a look. It's also worth looking at the different applications available using differetnt window managers (Kde, Gnome or xfce to name but 3). If you are looking for help or advice you would do worst then going to Linuxquestions.org. Just out of interest what are you aiming to achieve using Linux? are you looking to use it as a development platform or just to use it as a daya to day platform? Gonzo
Oh, uh, good question. Now technically speaking, uhh, let's say, put me down as a... 'Whatever'?
I installed UNBUNTU 2 months ago at home and almost never boot into windows anymore. I am a c#,asp ,net developer so I still use windows at work though I have installed UBUNTU on the company provided laptop( its not on my main developer station...yet). After playing around with all the cool tools and open source apps my conclusion is if you are young (I am 60) and just starting out in computer development, learn lunix and Ruby or PHP.
David Lane One World One People.
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
Maybe i will try linux again myself. I had it going on my machine in 2005 and the usb drivers were giving problems to say the least. Just got a copy of the new ubuntu 7.whatever and im gonna install it and give linux another go. Want to try mono out as well
WinstonD
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
John, I have been working solely on Linux at work for about six years and haven't needed windows for anything except Visio and MS Project. I was a VB/VC programmer for about 15 years so I have experience with both. Linux is a two part experience: 1) Its an OS, 2) X window rides on top of the OS. On top of X is a window manager. The one chosen is indicative of your experience with "Linux". That is why there is a wide variance among people's experience with the OS. As with all things tech, there are religious zealots staking claims in the window manager space, so expect flame wars to break out. There are two competing toolkits for the window manager: 1) KDE 2) Gnome. I like KDE because it lets me configure any parameter of the window manager, whereas the Gnome philosophy is that there are things the user doesn't need to mess with. Both camps are correct. Programmers need access to everything, but an unknowing user might mess something up on the desktop and hose the way the window manager works. Microsoft tries to do all things for all people, when what they really just need to do is set a "User knowledge level". Linux is not ready for the common user because, as you and others have said, some things still aren't easy and the upgrading and tweaking of the system requires some technical knowledge. I would assert though, that Windows is no panacea either, its just we're "used" to it. Every version of windows puts menu items (common ones too) in "some other menu" in order to streamline it. So, at least for me, it is frustrating to go into a "Network" menu and try to find the DHCP setting only to look for "advanced" tabs everywhere. Hence the Linux use of the Terminal. I do miss the old days of Win 3.1 and DOS where you could copy a program to a different partition and it would work. The registry is just plain old bad. I could setup a Linux system for like my un-tech wife and she would be able to do everything she needs and would never care that it isn't windows. But when things go wrong, she would not be able to give it to the Non-Geek Squad because the only thing they do is wipe and reload. Linux techs will find the problem and fix the app if the app is fixable.
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Okay, so to be able to watch DVD's on Windows, I have to spend $300?
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
I've done maybe a dozen OS installs in the past three years or so. About half of them were Windows re-installs or upgrades of Win2K and XP, and half were fresh installs of Linux of one distro or another (Red Hat, SuSE, and Ubuntu). The hardware was all over the map, but mostly reasonably new stuff, not much older than a year or two at the time. Sorry, no laptops, and I've never even seen Vista in use, much less installed it. So that doesn't make me an expert on this topic, but from my limited experience, I can say that Linux seems to beat out Windows by a pretty good margin in terms of how quick and easy it is to get up and running with a productive workstation--at least on desktop hardware. A typical Windows installation took a couple of hours just to get a bare-bones, non-patched OS on it, starting from one or more CD's. Then you'll spend at least two or three more hours downloading and applying all the "Service Packs" and other patches so that your machine doesn't get "0wn3d". Has anyone ever counted the number of reboots you have to do through all that? Heaven help you if you're on a slow Internet connection. And I've been pretty surprised at the lack of out-of-box support for things like graphics cards, sound cards, and even network cards. It's a pain to have to download and install those drivers yourself. So five hours later, you're done. Oh, wait...you mean you wanted some software to run, too? Oh. Well, there goes the rest of your day. Office alone is going to take a couple of hours. On the Linux side, the bulk of the time is spent checking off what software you would like included in the install. The install itself is maybe a half hour, give or take a few minutes. So it's more or less up to you to decide how long the install is going to take. The faster you decide/check off the options, the faster the install. OK, you might spend a few hours downloading and burning CD images before you start. I don't include that in the time you spend installing because doing that isn't even an option in the Windows world. If you're willing to part with $80 or so, you can go buy a nice boxed set--the way you are required to do for Windows except at four times the price. Another thing I thought I'd point out is that, if you have some old "mystery box" that you've inherited and you want to find out all the details of exactly what's inside that box, grab a notepad and do a Linux install (especially SuSE or Ubuntu). During the hardware detection phase, most Linux installers will happily tell y
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It's been fairly trouble-free. For those that arrived at the theater after the show started, here's a recap: I installed Ubuntu 7.04 onto it's own drive (I chose to use a separate drive just in case Linux and/or Windows decided to start an argument over the MBR while I was off doing other things). The install was painless, and I even got the latest proprietary nVidia drivers installed without breaking any thing. Observations 1) I spent the entire week using Linux (at home, of course). Nothing bad has happened, and regarding general computer/net usage, I haven't found anything I couldn't do under Windows. In fact, I'm able to do some things under Linux that I couldn't do under Windows (without spending boatloads of cash). On the other hand, there are some things I can't do under Linux. 2) I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100. 3) I got the fonts looking somewhat normal. 4) I installed Wine (0.9.39). The next day, they released a new version, and the package manager handled the update (0.9.40) gracefully. 5) I've found that the only way to run VS2005 is to install VMWare or some other VM manager. I've installed QEMU, but haven't yet tried installing XP into it. 6) After loading the nVidia drivers, selecting the appropriate resolution (1680x1050) and then rebooting, I discovered that most of my taskbar elements positioned themselves as if the screen was still set at the smaller resolution of 1280x1024. The problem was that the elements were "locked" on the taskbar, and I had to manually unlock/move them to more appropriate positions. I left them unlocked. The default Ubuntu install locked them, so that's a deficiency in the default settings more than anything else. 7) I've connected to a Windows share, and am able to add/edit/delete files. 8) There is no Linux support for my shiny new Keyspan printer server, so I haven't tried setting up a printer yet. If I can't get to the printer on the print server, it's a deal breaker, and I'll have to end my Linux experiment (and that's a shame because I can actually get Linux drivers for this printer). :( 9) I installed a game called Warzone 2010, made by the same folks that did Comnmand & Conquer, and it looks almost identical to that title. It's okay, I guess, but I'll probably end up uninstalling it. Overall, it's actually been a bit boring. I've only had to reboot the
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100.
I currently have four programs that can individually play DVDs on my XP machine and know of a fifth all available for a grand total of $0
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
- I can now watch DVD's on my computer, although I'd much rather sit in front of our 57-inch DLP set for that kind of stuff. To do this under windows would have required an expenditure of at least $100.
For the record its included with Vista Home Premium and Ultimate (don't know whether or not it is in business, but I don't think so)
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For the Media Center stuff, yes. That's in Home Premium and Ultimate only. For standalone DVD playing, I like this program[^]. It's free and works pretty well. :-D Flynn
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For the Media Center stuff, yes. That's in Home Premium and Ultimate only. For standalone DVD playing, I like this program[^]. It's free and works pretty well. :-D Flynn
Flynn Arrowstarr wrote:
For the Media Center stuff, yes. That's in Home Premium and Ultimate only.
I wasn't neccesarily speaking about Media Center, the dvd decoder ships with atleast those two versions of Vista.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today.
-Matt Newman
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Flynn Arrowstarr wrote:
For the Media Center stuff, yes. That's in Home Premium and Ultimate only.
I wasn't neccesarily speaking about Media Center, the dvd decoder ships with atleast those two versions of Vista.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today.
-Matt Newman
I'll have to try that. I have both Ultimate and Home Premium. I haven't installed any DVD playing software on either machine. :) Flynn