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  • L Lost User

    ...from my 80 GB hard drive. Finally got it working and Ghost managed to move everything across from my old drive. Actually 80 GB is a bit of a stretch and the consistency between the different parts of the system impresses me no end. BIOS - 80020 MB FDISK - 76317 MB Windows 2000 - 74.53 GB (pretty much the same as FDISK) I mean I have lost 5.47 GB from the manufacturer's claim, my old disk was only 4 and a bit GB as it was. I have lost more usuable space than I had before. The other thing is cost compared to a few years ago. I paid AUD $235.00 for a Seagate Barracuda 80 GB ATA100 7200 RPM on the weekend. Back in 1993 I purchased a 540 MB HDD that required a utility to be loaded so that my 486 could read past the 1024th cylinder. I shopped around for ages and eventually went to a dodgy Asian store that couldn't have been charging sales tax and still it cost me AUD$300.00 (about $60.00 less than every other store around). The final whinge is about the jumpers that manufacturer's place on HDD. I know that they have to make good contact to work, but I needed to use a pair of small pliers to get the jumper off my new HDD. :wtf: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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    Nice not to have to worry about free space ain't it :) I finally broke down & bought a 120GB drive a while back; coupled with my 40GB removeable it should keep me satisfied for a while... --------

    Life is fraught with opportunities to keep your mouth shut.

    --Shog9 --

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      Jason Henderson wrote: every episode of star trek TNG I go for movies and music vids Jason Henderson wrote: they are all on CDs VCDs rock!

      Jonny Newman Liverpool, UK Sonork: 16257:Jonny Newman MSN Msngr: jonathann4@hotmail.com ICQ: 37606329 and now..... nonny@nonny.com I'm out there! Feel free to contact me about anything.

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      I'm also working on the new star trek series (Enterprise). I have about 21 of the 26 episodes so far. I don't download movies because the quality is usually pretty much crap. I don't like watching a video of someone taking a video in the theater. Like it or not, I'm right.

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        I think HD manufacturers purposefully use the wrong calculation for their storage capacity. 1 mb (1048576 bytes) X 1000 = 1 gb (1048576000 bytes) So 80 gb = 83886080000 bytes When windows calculates it, it uses 1 mb (1048576 bytes) X 1024 = 1 gb (1073741824 bytes) So 80 gb to windows = 85899345920 bytes I don't know why they calculate it this way, but what can you do. Like it or not, I'm right.

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        I think that they don't do this mistake. Actually if you install another OS on your drive you'll probably see that you have more (or sometimes less :(( ) free space. That's because any filesystem needs information to work and stores it a part of the hard drive, making it invisible and unusable for the user... (and windows one is very hungry... X| ) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:. Should computing stay as a source of benefit or become like knowledge : free and opened to every one ?... ;)

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          I'm also working on the new star trek series (Enterprise). I have about 21 of the 26 episodes so far. I don't download movies because the quality is usually pretty much crap. I don't like watching a video of someone taking a video in the theater. Like it or not, I'm right.

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          Jason Henderson wrote: I have about 21 of the 26 episodes so far. DSL/Cable? Jason Henderson wrote: I don't download movies because the quality is usually pretty much crap. I normally use an AVI index repairer on a partial movie. This way i can search for good quality ones. Jason Henderson wrote: I don't like watching a video of someone taking a video in the theater. Ive got a few like that X|

          Jonny Newman Liverpool, UK Sonork: 16257:Jonny Newman MSN Msngr: jonathann4@hotmail.com ICQ: 37606329 and now..... nonny@nonny.com I'm out there! Feel free to contact me about anything.

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            I think that they don't do this mistake. Actually if you install another OS on your drive you'll probably see that you have more (or sometimes less :(( ) free space. That's because any filesystem needs information to work and stores it a part of the hard drive, making it invisible and unusable for the user... (and windows one is very hungry... X| ) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:. Should computing stay as a source of benefit or become like knowledge : free and opened to every one ?... ;)

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            I think you're missing the point. :-) It's not the size of free space he's measuring, it's the actual size of the disk. And yes, hard disk manufacturers do this type of thing intentionally - it's a sales thing. :-( :) Kris :)

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              I think that they don't do this mistake. Actually if you install another OS on your drive you'll probably see that you have more (or sometimes less :(( ) free space. That's because any filesystem needs information to work and stores it a part of the hard drive, making it invisible and unusable for the user... (and windows one is very hungry... X| ) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:. Should computing stay as a source of benefit or become like knowledge : free and opened to every one ?... ;)

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              Guejo wrote: I think that they don't do this mistake. IMHO, it is not a mistake, it's a marketing trick. For example, fropm http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,550,00.html: "Capacity: Capacity is the amount of data that the drive can store, after formatting. Most disc drive companies, including Seagate, calculate disc capacity based on the assumption that 1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes and 1 gigabyte=1000 megabytes." We're talking shit, 'cause life is a 'biz You know it is Everybody tryin' to get rich God damn! All I wanna do is live ! KoRn, Children of the Korn

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                Jason Henderson wrote: I have about 21 of the 26 episodes so far. DSL/Cable? Jason Henderson wrote: I don't download movies because the quality is usually pretty much crap. I normally use an AVI index repairer on a partial movie. This way i can search for good quality ones. Jason Henderson wrote: I don't like watching a video of someone taking a video in the theater. Ive got a few like that X|

                Jonny Newman Liverpool, UK Sonork: 16257:Jonny Newman MSN Msngr: jonathann4@hotmail.com ICQ: 37606329 and now..... nonny@nonny.com I'm out there! Feel free to contact me about anything.

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                I let Kazaa run overnight/weekend at work. Like it or not, I'm right.

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                  I have every episode of star trek TNG but they are all on CDs since I only have a 20 gig HD. :( Like it or not, I'm right.

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                  How big are they... each episode that is??? Ya don't feel like putting them on a server for me, do ya??? I could leave my college computer download them over nite... :-)


                  "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]

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                    Guejo wrote: I think that they don't do this mistake. IMHO, it is not a mistake, it's a marketing trick. For example, fropm http://www.seagate.com/cda/products/discsales/marketing/detail/0,1081,550,00.html: "Capacity: Capacity is the amount of data that the drive can store, after formatting. Most disc drive companies, including Seagate, calculate disc capacity based on the assumption that 1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes and 1 gigabyte=1000 megabytes." We're talking shit, 'cause life is a 'biz You know it is Everybody tryin' to get rich God damn! All I wanna do is live ! KoRn, Children of the Korn

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                    Seagate's definition of capacity: "Most disc drive companies, including Seagate, calculate disc capacity based on the assumption that 1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes and 1 gigabyte=1000 megabytes." This is just so wrong. Like it or not, I'm right.

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                    • L Lost User

                      I think you're missing the point. :-) It's not the size of free space he's measuring, it's the actual size of the disk. And yes, hard disk manufacturers do this type of thing intentionally - it's a sales thing. :-( :) Kris :)

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                      Of course I wanted to say available space not free space, sorry... (I meant real size after format) But I thought it depended on the OS because the total size of my hard drive was bigger(about 1 gig difference for a 40 gigs one, if I remember well) with Linux on it than with WinXP (or Win98). And I remember that filesystems don't need the same amount of data to work. So that's why I was quite disapointed when I saw how the manufacturers took profits of our trust... :( If I'm wrong somewhere, please explain me so I won't post stupid thread again... ;) .:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:.:.:.:.:.:.:..:.:. Should computing stay as a source of benefit or become like knowledge : free and opened to every one ?... ;)

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                      • B Brian Delahunty

                        How big are they... each episode that is??? Ya don't feel like putting them on a server for me, do ya??? I could leave my college computer download them over nite... :-)


                        "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]

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                        I'd say they are 100+mb on average. Some are 50 while others are over 200 mb. There are 177 episodes, so it would be a huge pain in the butt to copy them to a server. Besides, you can download Kazaa and search for star trek videos. If there are a few you can't find, I could probably manage copying them. Like it or not, I'm right.

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                          Seagate's definition of capacity: "Most disc drive companies, including Seagate, calculate disc capacity based on the assumption that 1 megabyte = 1000 kilobytes and 1 gigabyte=1000 megabytes." This is just so wrong. Like it or not, I'm right.

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                          This is just so business ! :) We're talking shit, 'cause life is a 'biz You know it is Everybody tryin' to get rich God damn! All I wanna do is live ! KoRn, Children of the Korn

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                            I'd say they are 100+mb on average. Some are 50 while others are over 200 mb. There are 177 episodes, so it would be a huge pain in the butt to copy them to a server. Besides, you can download Kazaa and search for star trek videos. If there are a few you can't find, I could probably manage copying them. Like it or not, I'm right.

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                            Jason Henderson wrote: Besides, you can download Kazaa and search for star trek videos. Was going to do that. I'd like to download them onto my linux account in college... setup about 20 of them to download in the bg over the weekend. There would be very few people there over the weekend, especially during the summer holiddays. I'd have basically the whole college bandwidth to myself... my god... The download speeds woudl be amazing!!! :-) You don't know of any ftp sites where I could download some, do you?


                            "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]

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                              Jason Henderson wrote: Besides, you can download Kazaa and search for star trek videos. Was going to do that. I'd like to download them onto my linux account in college... setup about 20 of them to download in the bg over the weekend. There would be very few people there over the weekend, especially during the summer holiddays. I'd have basically the whole college bandwidth to myself... my god... The download speeds woudl be amazing!!! :-) You don't know of any ftp sites where I could download some, do you?


                              "When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks]

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                              Brian Delahunty wrote: You don't know of any ftp sites where I could download some, do you? nope Like it or not, I'm right.

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                                ...from my 80 GB hard drive. Finally got it working and Ghost managed to move everything across from my old drive. Actually 80 GB is a bit of a stretch and the consistency between the different parts of the system impresses me no end. BIOS - 80020 MB FDISK - 76317 MB Windows 2000 - 74.53 GB (pretty much the same as FDISK) I mean I have lost 5.47 GB from the manufacturer's claim, my old disk was only 4 and a bit GB as it was. I have lost more usuable space than I had before. The other thing is cost compared to a few years ago. I paid AUD $235.00 for a Seagate Barracuda 80 GB ATA100 7200 RPM on the weekend. Back in 1993 I purchased a 540 MB HDD that required a utility to be loaded so that my 486 could read past the 1024th cylinder. I shopped around for ages and eventually went to a dodgy Asian store that couldn't have been charging sales tax and still it cost me AUD$300.00 (about $60.00 less than every other store around). The final whinge is about the jumpers that manufacturer's place on HDD. I know that they have to make good contact to work, but I needed to use a pair of small pliers to get the jumper off my new HDD. :wtf: Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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                                Michael Martin wrote: I paid AUD $235.00 for a Seagate Barracuda 80 GB ATA100 7200 RPM on the weekend. Damn! Where did you get it? About 2 months ago I paid $260 for the same drive, and its RRP was $297 :omg: Dont you hate it when that happens. Its one of the reasons I refuse to tell anyone how much I paid for my new video card, in the hope that I eventually forget myself :) -- David Wengier Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k

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                                  Michael Martin wrote: I paid AUD $235.00 for a Seagate Barracuda 80 GB ATA100 7200 RPM on the weekend. Damn! Where did you get it? About 2 months ago I paid $260 for the same drive, and its RRP was $297 :omg: Dont you hate it when that happens. Its one of the reasons I refuse to tell anyone how much I paid for my new video card, in the hope that I eventually forget myself :) -- David Wengier Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k

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                                  David Wengier wrote: Damn! Where did you get it? About 2 months ago I paid $260 for the same drive, and its RRP was $297 :omg: I bought it at DIY Computer Market on Parramatta Road Granville. They had it at $240.00 but since they didn't have the 60 GB HDD that I actually wanted and only had $235.00 in my pocket I got it for that much. Where abouts in Australia are you David? I try to catch up for a beer or a coffee with every Australian CPian that I can run into. Though Christian and Chris are the only ones I have met so far. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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                                    David Wengier wrote: Damn! Where did you get it? About 2 months ago I paid $260 for the same drive, and its RRP was $297 :omg: I bought it at DIY Computer Market on Parramatta Road Granville. They had it at $240.00 but since they didn't have the 60 GB HDD that I actually wanted and only had $235.00 in my pocket I got it for that much. Where abouts in Australia are you David? I try to catch up for a beer or a coffee with every Australian CPian that I can run into. Though Christian and Chris are the only ones I have met so far. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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                                    Michael Martin wrote: Where abouts in Australia are you David? I'm in Melbourne (you have asked before ;P) but I dont drink beer :) -- David Wengier Sonork ID: 100.14177 - Ch00k

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