London 'Terror Attacks'
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As I stated in my original message, I was not referring to successful terrorist attacks. Those have happened, and were terrible. However, to respond to the failed attacks of amateurs in the same way is in itself a form of terrorism perpetrated by our own media and government.
Craster wrote:
As I stated in my original message, I was not referring to successful terrorist attacks. Those have happened, and were terrible.
Yeah, because certainly unsuccessful attacks didn't have the potential to be successful attacks. Yeah, I'm really laughing here about crazed fundamentalists trying to take innocent life and destroy our way of life at whatever chance they can. Ha. Ha. Ha. That's soooo funny.
Craster wrote:
However, to respond to the failed attacks of amateurs in the same way is in itself a form of terrorism perpetrated by our own media and government.
Oh yeah, our Western governments are the evil of all evil. Why, just look at how oppressed we are in the West compared to other nations. I simply have no rights at all. It's terrible living like this. I think I'll move to Ethiopia, or perhaps North Korea. They've got it made in those places.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Dummy bomb, non-working bomb, or real active bomb. Does it matter? What is the different? The basis of terror is just that - TERROR
Exactly. Therefore, the correct way to render such an attack impotent is to point and laugh at the incompetance. Hysterical reporting and filling the streets with armed police play right into the hands of those aiming to cause terror.
Craster, doing what you say is plain wrong. You must always treat with utmost respect the intention of terrorists. Thus armed police etc are necessary. You make it sound like one great big comical theatrical performance. I have news for you, it ain't! It is real. Real to the extent that it could very easily cost somebody their life - possibly yours!
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73Zeppelin wrote:
Awesome! I got a '1 vote'! Somebody apparently feels that their government is actually oppressing them! So, vote 1 and tell me what rights you've lost!
I'm still king of the 1-votes. Bow before your master.
Red Stateler wrote:
I'm still king of the 1-votes. Bow before your master.
I know. You rule the 1 vote demographic. I really can't say more as there's a government mule here telling me to stop speaking my mind. Damned repression...
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No it isn't. At its height the conflict in NI was a counter insurgency campaign involving a three way fight between loyalists, the Ira and our army, a totally different situation to the mainland. It will hopefully be a fair few years before Bradford is comparable to Belfast in the 70's.
I'm sorry - the IRA attacks were concentrated in NI because that was where the issue was, and that's where the bombers were. When contrasting two sets of terrorists, to ignore the place in the UK where the majority of the bombs were set off under one of those groups totally misrepresents the situation. Unless you just plain don't care about the Irish, of course.
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Craster, doing what you say is plain wrong. You must always treat with utmost respect the intention of terrorists. Thus armed police etc are necessary. You make it sound like one great big comical theatrical performance. I have news for you, it ain't! It is real. Real to the extent that it could very easily cost somebody their life - possibly yours!
Richard, you're trying to use reason on the unreasonable again... :doh:
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Craster wrote:
As I stated in my original message, I was not referring to successful terrorist attacks. Those have happened, and were terrible.
Yeah, because certainly unsuccessful attacks didn't have the potential to be successful attacks. Yeah, I'm really laughing here about crazed fundamentalists trying to take innocent life and destroy our way of life at whatever chance they can. Ha. Ha. Ha. That's soooo funny.
Craster wrote:
However, to respond to the failed attacks of amateurs in the same way is in itself a form of terrorism perpetrated by our own media and government.
Oh yeah, our Western governments are the evil of all evil. Why, just look at how oppressed we are in the West compared to other nations. I simply have no rights at all. It's terrible living like this. I think I'll move to Ethiopia, or perhaps North Korea. They've got it made in those places.
Stop trying to be sarcastic, and listen to the point. Of course the unsuccessful attacks have the potential to be successful attacks. However, had those attacks been successful, they would have caused widespread terror and panic. What I am saying is that the same effect is being achieved by the over-hysterical reporting of the incidents. People aren't afraid of leaving their homes because of the failed carbombs, they're afraid of leaving their homes because the media and the home office are telling them they should be afraid.
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So in the past few days, there have been 3 attempted 'terror strikes' in the UK. Two failed carbombs and one distinctly ineffectual flaming car driven at Glasgow airport. Note that the UK Government refers to these as 'foiled attacks' rather than 'failed attacks'. The vowel change is apparently significant, even though security services intervention had nothing to do with the fact that the devices didn't explode. The two carbombs were abject failures, namely down to their inability to fulfill their raison d'etre as a bomb, that being to explode. One of the cars wasn't even anywhere near its intended target - it was parked illegally, so had been towed to an impound. The car on fire left just one person injured - the driver of the vehicle who, on attempting to fuel the blaze with a can of petrol, managed to set his own trousers on fire. The whole thing wouldn't have looked out of place with Benny Hill music playing in the background. In the 80s, the IRA were carrying out a reign of terror marked by carbombs set off with devastating regularity. In the 00s, it seems we are under seige from a battalion of completely retarded incompetents. How many complete failures to make working explosive devices have we had now? If the IRA could do it every single time, how hard can it be, exactly? Without wishing any offence to those who have had friends or family injured or killed in terrorist attacks, is the reaction of government really proportional to the risk to the public that is demonstrated by these failures to kill? Terrorism? I'm not terrified, I'm frankly embarrassed.
One reason that the IRA were so effective is that so many of them were well trained British agents. Since then the security services have outsourced much of the work to foreign an immigrant cheap labour. The quality of the patsies and the 'fundamantalists' has consequently gone down a lot and has now reached the point where it is as you say embarrassing. It all seems to have started to go wrong when Abu Hamza got his hands cut off while working for the British in Afghanistan and of course when they killed off all the generals who had been in charge of the Northern Ireland mess in that helicopter crash they effectively wrote off most of their best G14 terrorists along with them. Our best hope is to clearly demonstrate that fear doesn't work anymore and we are not fooled. Unfortunately before they get the message they're probably going to kill a lot more people. It's time to stand strong and stay together because the victory over state sponsored terror is in sight.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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One reason that the IRA were so effective is that so many of them were well trained British agents. Since then the security services have outsourced much of the work to foreign an immigrant cheap labour. The quality of the patsies and the 'fundamantalists' has consequently gone down a lot and has now reached the point where it is as you say embarrassing. It all seems to have started to go wrong when Abu Hamza got his hands cut off while working for the British in Afghanistan and of course when they killed off all the generals who had been in charge of the Northern Ireland mess in that helicopter crash they effectively wrote off most of their best G14 terrorists along with them. Our best hope is to clearly demonstrate that fear doesn't work anymore and we are not fooled. Unfortunately before they get the message they're probably going to kill a lot more people. It's time to stand strong and stay together because the victory over state sponsored terror is in sight.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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I'm sorry - the IRA attacks were concentrated in NI because that was where the issue was, and that's where the bombers were. When contrasting two sets of terrorists, to ignore the place in the UK where the majority of the bombs were set off under one of those groups totally misrepresents the situation. Unless you just plain don't care about the Irish, of course.
Craster wrote:
Unless you just plain don't care about the Irish, of course.
You are deliberately ignoring my point and adding an ad hominem? Sweet. It is not simply a question of geography, there were at least 2 opposing groups of terrorists fighting each other in NI. If the BNP starts bombing mosques and the Paras shoot a crowd of Hizb Tarir supporters in Birmingham, get back to me.
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Richard, you're trying to use reason on the unreasonable again... :doh:
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Our best hope is to clearly demonstrate that fear doesn't work anymore and we are not fooled.
Exactly the point I'm trying to make.
You should ask Matthew if you could borrow one of his foil hats. They help to deflect the government's fear rays.
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Richard, you're trying to use reason on the unreasonable again... :doh:
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Stop trying to be sarcastic, and listen to the point. Of course the unsuccessful attacks have the potential to be successful attacks. However, had those attacks been successful, they would have caused widespread terror and panic. What I am saying is that the same effect is being achieved by the over-hysterical reporting of the incidents. People aren't afraid of leaving their homes because of the failed carbombs, they're afraid of leaving their homes because the media and the home office are telling them they should be afraid.
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One reason that the IRA were so effective is that so many of them were well trained British agents. Since then the security services have outsourced much of the work to foreign an immigrant cheap labour. The quality of the patsies and the 'fundamantalists' has consequently gone down a lot and has now reached the point where it is as you say embarrassing. It all seems to have started to go wrong when Abu Hamza got his hands cut off while working for the British in Afghanistan and of course when they killed off all the generals who had been in charge of the Northern Ireland mess in that helicopter crash they effectively wrote off most of their best G14 terrorists along with them. Our best hope is to clearly demonstrate that fear doesn't work anymore and we are not fooled. Unfortunately before they get the message they're probably going to kill a lot more people. It's time to stand strong and stay together because the victory over state sponsored terror is in sight.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
One reason that the IRA were so effective is that so many of them were well trained British agents.
Close but not quite. If you look hard at the evidence you will see that not only were they British agents they were also all ex-McDonald's Hamburglar-costume-wearing employees. Their ring-leader was actually the lead-Ronald-McDonald character in Dublin for 3.1415 years. The money they would make at their day-jobs as McDonald's costume employees would be funneled into the IRA's ultra-secret weapons aquisition program which had direct links with North Korea, Iran and a small cargo-cult colony on Bora-Bora that worshipped Prince Charles as a God (no longer in existence due to forced and brutal conversion to Arian Christianity by a sub-sect of the Vatican, but I won't go into that plot right now). Since the fall of the Bora-Bora colony, the natural successor was, of course, Bin Laden who had spent much of his childhood on Bora Bora where he had developed a deep hatred for Prince Charles, his environmental policies and the West in general. And that's how we got to where we are today.
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Craster wrote:
Unless you just plain don't care about the Irish, of course.
You are deliberately ignoring my point and adding an ad hominem? Sweet. It is not simply a question of geography, there were at least 2 opposing groups of terrorists fighting each other in NI. If the BNP starts bombing mosques and the Paras shoot a crowd of Hizb Tarir supporters in Birmingham, get back to me.
Yeah, that last bit was unnecessary, sorry about that. Remember though, that my point was not about attacks that killed people - it was purely about having the simple ability to create explosive devices that work, and all parties in NI proved that they can do that will significantly more success than the current crop of middle eastern terrorists.
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Stop trying to be sarcastic, and listen to the point. Of course the unsuccessful attacks have the potential to be successful attacks. However, had those attacks been successful, they would have caused widespread terror and panic. What I am saying is that the same effect is being achieved by the over-hysterical reporting of the incidents. People aren't afraid of leaving their homes because of the failed carbombs, they're afraid of leaving their homes because the media and the home office are telling them they should be afraid.
Craster wrote:
, they're afraid of leaving their homes because the media and the home office are telling them they should be afraid.
No they're not, the Brown government is particularly stressing the need to not be afraid and to go about business as usual. They are stressing that these terrorist activities should not discourage people from their daily routine. Look at his statements on BBC, CNN, NYTimes, etc...
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You should ask Matthew if you could borrow one of his foil hats. They help to deflect the government's fear rays.
Red Stateler wrote:
They help to deflect the government's fear rays
That's what they want you to think. An mate of mine who worked as a cleaner in GCHQ tells me that they in fact concentrate the fear rays. Makes sense when you think of it, as only dangerously free minds would think of doing such a thing.
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You should ask Matthew if you could borrow one of his foil hats. They help to deflect the government's fear rays.
I've run out, could you ship me some more from your secret underground factory in Texas staffed by greys please Red ;P
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Actually, he's not. He's just telling me I'm wrong, and telling me what I must do. That's not reason, that's reasonless dissention.
You know that I know that you know that I know that even Richard knows you're being silly and won't admit that we're collectively right. That's okay. Everyone else knows this too...
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
One reason that the IRA were so effective is that so many of them were well trained British agents.
Close but not quite. If you look hard at the evidence you will see that not only were they British agents they were also all ex-McDonald's Hamburglar-costume-wearing employees. Their ring-leader was actually the lead-Ronald-McDonald character in Dublin for 3.1415 years. The money they would make at their day-jobs as McDonald's costume employees would be funneled into the IRA's ultra-secret weapons aquisition program which had direct links with North Korea, Iran and a small cargo-cult colony on Bora-Bora that worshipped Prince Charles as a God (no longer in existence due to forced and brutal conversion to Arian Christianity by a sub-sect of the Vatican, but I won't go into that plot right now). Since the fall of the Bora-Bora colony, the natural successor was, of course, Bin Laden who had spent much of his childhood on Bora Bora where he had developed a deep hatred for Prince Charles, his environmental policies and the West in general. And that's how we got to where we are today.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Since the fall of the Bora-Bora colony, the natural successor was, of course, Bin Laden who had spent much of his childhood on Bora Bora where he had developed a deep hatred for Prince Charles, his environmental policies and the West in general.
I went to Bora Bora two years ago. My cover was our "honeymoon". In reality I was there to finish off the final fragments of the Nakagawas...The Japanese family that sat as head of the Bora Bora colony, which is less commonly known as the Gloup-Soups. You were probably only aware of some of their more recent acts. You may or may not be aware that they actually bombed Pearl Harbor. Japan itself had nothing to do with it. They established the international military-industrial complex. Now they are no more. There is only me.