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Another irrefutable argument for creation

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  • L Lost User

    This is about the most ignorant argument for creationism that I have seen yet. http://www.demonbuster.com/id.html From the site: Evolution theory (with no scientific proof) - in recent times, man has been arguing about where HUMANS/LIFE came from. But no one is asking - WHO put the world here? WHERE did mountains come from? WHERE did the oceans come from? WHERE did the sun and moon and other planets come from? WHO put all this stuff there? Seems like these questions override where humans/life came from, and gives the real answer - a Higher Power - Intelligent Design - God!

    The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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    Vivi Chellappa
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    Add to that: Who put a watertight@rsehole in the sharks? That ought to add a powerful punch to arguments in favor of Intelligent Design.

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      Add to that: Who put a watertight@rsehole in the sharks? That ought to add a powerful punch to arguments in favor of Intelligent Design.

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      Lost User
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      I didn't know sharks had email addresses.

      The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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        I didn't know sharks had email addresses.

        The divinity of Jesus is made a convenient cover for absurdity. - John Adams

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        If electrical appliances can have IP addresses, there is no reason for sharks not to have e-mail addresses.

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        • L lost in transition

          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

          I am saying that demons have no influence since pentacost.

          "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12 KJV

          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

          Or are you suggesting they are tools to afflict the unbelievers?

          If you are implying that I said God uses demons to afflict the unbelievers, then you should read back over what I said.

          Chris-Kaiser wrote:

          And I am saying that after Pentecost they have no power. If they still have power then they were NOT defeated.

          I am saying they of no authority to unless given but do have the power to afflict Man. 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all. Ephesians 1:21-23 KJV Think about it. Don't quickly responded to this post. Think about what I am saying. I think you are confusing the word power with authority. I am talking about authority to do something, while you are talking about the power (ability or strength) to do something.

          God Bless, Jason

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          Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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          Chris Kaiser
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          Bullshit. I'm talking about what Jesus did. You are talking about what Paul wrote. If these principalities and powers are something we have to strive against, then Jesus didn't have the power to reign them in. Then he isn't all powerful. But, Jesus won the battle during his 40 days. He either has the power or doesn't. No demon has the ability to get into my mind. You can wrestle with them if you like, but I refuse to, as I only wrestle with myself. Anything dark in my life has come from me. My own projections, or misunderstandings, but mostly from dwelling on negative things such that that dwelling brought it to surface. We need to take responsibility for our own dark sides instead of foisting it onto some external source. Sorry, but I will just disagree with you on this one. You won't win this battle. And I don't prescribe to Paul's (Saul the tent maker) interpretation of the Master's teachings. He wasn't even an apostle. Yet he has the dominant voice. Interesting isn't it? That one who didn't travel with Jesus knows the most?

          This statement was never false.

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          • M Matthew Faithfull

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            They are either bound and defeated or not.

            No, chained, limited, doomed, their war is lost but not impotent. If you go stand in the prison yard and pull faces at the murders do you think the fact they've been caught and convicted is going to protect you? Pentecost changes nothing for the unbeliever. You would need evidence for that to claim the situation of demonic activity clearly evident in the gospels had changed. The lack of a statement that it hadn't proves nothing.

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            Where in the bible does it specifically state the ban on divination?

            Deuteronomy 18:10 "Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witch-craft,"

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            Where does it state that we can get cancer from demons? (This is what I am refuting.)

            It does not state that we can or cannot. I know of at least one case of a demonically caused heart attack but that is neither here nor there. You cannot state it categorically one way or the other because

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            Scripture doesn't spell it out

            but the evidence leads me to say probably yes. It is certainly not the usual or only cause.

            Chris-Kaiser wrote:

            Being time based creatures perfection isn't even possible. Only growth is.

            Being time based has little to do with it. We are born in sin as you know well and into a fallen world.

            Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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            Matthew Faithfull wrote:

            Being time based has little to do with it. We are born in sin as you know well and into a fallen world.

            Bullshit. Stop putting words into my mouth. I don't well know it. The weeds and the fruit are allowed to grow side by side as they will get sorted upon harvest.

            This statement was never false.

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              Bullshit. I'm talking about what Jesus did. You are talking about what Paul wrote. If these principalities and powers are something we have to strive against, then Jesus didn't have the power to reign them in. Then he isn't all powerful. But, Jesus won the battle during his 40 days. He either has the power or doesn't. No demon has the ability to get into my mind. You can wrestle with them if you like, but I refuse to, as I only wrestle with myself. Anything dark in my life has come from me. My own projections, or misunderstandings, but mostly from dwelling on negative things such that that dwelling brought it to surface. We need to take responsibility for our own dark sides instead of foisting it onto some external source. Sorry, but I will just disagree with you on this one. You won't win this battle. And I don't prescribe to Paul's (Saul the tent maker) interpretation of the Master's teachings. He wasn't even an apostle. Yet he has the dominant voice. Interesting isn't it? That one who didn't travel with Jesus knows the most?

              This statement was never false.

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              lost in transition
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              Chris-Kaiser wrote:

              Jesus won the battle during his 40 days.

              If Christ defeated Hell during his 40 days in the wilderness, then why did he die on the cross. For if He had the victory before the cross, the why die on the cross.

              Chris-Kaiser wrote:

              You won't win this battle.

              I am not in a battle with you. If you don't like what I say, then you don't like it and vice-versa. But there is not a battle.

              Chris-Kaiser wrote:

              I'm talking about what Jesus did.

              1. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:15-18 KJV Also, friend be careful what you are calling BS. I hope that you are not referring to the Bible.

              God Bless, Jason

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              Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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              • L lost in transition

                Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                Jesus won the battle during his 40 days.

                If Christ defeated Hell during his 40 days in the wilderness, then why did he die on the cross. For if He had the victory before the cross, the why die on the cross.

                Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                You won't win this battle.

                I am not in a battle with you. If you don't like what I say, then you don't like it and vice-versa. But there is not a battle.

                Chris-Kaiser wrote:

                I'm talking about what Jesus did.

                1. And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16) He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17) And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18) They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Mark 16:15-18 KJV Also, friend be careful what you are calling BS. I hope that you are not referring to the Bible.

                God Bless, Jason

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                Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                Its my right to call any text BS. And anything from Paul I view with skepticism. I actually think for myself in this regard. If I'm punished for that then so be it. I'd gladly pay for that. The texts are conflicting. Jesus didn't demand baptism. That was John's domain. He did support it, but not as a requirement. Faith is the only requirement. I don't believe in hell. Sorry. I just don't. Jesus preached a merciful father. Hell contradicts that and no amount of sophistry will change my view. Jesus died on the cross because humans decided to kill him. He lived a human life and drank full that cup. To fully live the life of a human to gain the understanding of life in his creation he lived a fully human life. He could have escaped had he chosen that course, but decided against it as this life was to live the will of the Father and that was to live a fully human life but bring a greater understanding of the Father and our relationship to him. Never in his speech did he say he was to die for our sins. That is entirely interpretation. And I would wager, Paul's doing. By the way, how do you interpret "They will take up serpents..." in the passage you quote above?

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                • V Vivi Chellappa

                  Add to that: Who put a watertight@rsehole in the sharks? That ought to add a powerful punch to arguments in favor of Intelligent Design.

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                  Why? Does yours leak when you go swimming? Does your own butt fill up with water? Do you only have to go for a swim to get an enema? :laugh:

                  This statement was never false.

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                  • C Chris Kaiser

                    Its my right to call any text BS. And anything from Paul I view with skepticism. I actually think for myself in this regard. If I'm punished for that then so be it. I'd gladly pay for that. The texts are conflicting. Jesus didn't demand baptism. That was John's domain. He did support it, but not as a requirement. Faith is the only requirement. I don't believe in hell. Sorry. I just don't. Jesus preached a merciful father. Hell contradicts that and no amount of sophistry will change my view. Jesus died on the cross because humans decided to kill him. He lived a human life and drank full that cup. To fully live the life of a human to gain the understanding of life in his creation he lived a fully human life. He could have escaped had he chosen that course, but decided against it as this life was to live the will of the Father and that was to live a fully human life but bring a greater understanding of the Father and our relationship to him. Never in his speech did he say he was to die for our sins. That is entirely interpretation. And I would wager, Paul's doing. By the way, how do you interpret "They will take up serpents..." in the passage you quote above?

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                    lost in transition
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                    Well then we should end this conversation. Until the next one... BTW, to this was not a battle but a good conversation.

                    God Bless, Jason

                    Paul Conrad wrote:

                    Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                    • L lost in transition

                      Well then we should end this conversation. Until the next one... BTW, to this was not a battle but a good conversation.

                      God Bless, Jason

                      Paul Conrad wrote:

                      Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going

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                      Fair enough. And, yeah, a good conversation.

                      This statement was never false.

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                      • C Chris Kaiser

                        Why? Does yours leak when you go swimming? Does your own butt fill up with water? Do you only have to go for a swim to get an enema? :laugh:

                        This statement was never false.

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                        Vivi Chellappa
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                        Nope, I use the banana explicitly created by Jesus' Dad (http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3768875037baca5de6e2)as an @rse plug. ;P

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                        • V Vivi Chellappa

                          Nope, I use the banana explicitly created by Jesus' Dad (http://www.godtube.com/view_video.php?viewkey=3768875037baca5de6e2)as an @rse plug. ;P

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                          Synaptrik
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                          Well sir, then you are craftier than I. Careful if you wiggle alot. There's an erogenous zone down there as well. You might find yourself explaining the strange faces you are making.

                          This statement is false

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