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It's not possible to 'defy basic laws of physics'. Either the physics as we understand it is wrong, or it's a hoax. You can't shake your fist at the universe and announce you want things to work differently.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
The universe is full of surprises, and we have a very very very limited understanding of it.....
SG
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I must admit to being sceptical. There have been many "free energy" claims in the past. The fact that they pitched straight to the media is concerning as well. More importantly, Steorn claims that while several PhDs have validated the practical application of the product, they won't go public because of the controversy.
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Perhaps they're not engineering PHDs? A friend of mine has a PHD and what she doesn't know about the workings of anything technical could fill so much storage as to cause a worldwide shortage :-)
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An Irish company will today reveal controversial technology that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power. Steorn, which is based in Dublin, claims to have discovered a method of creating clean, constant energy, which it claims could end the global fuel crisis. Article[^] Orbo site[^] I'd like to see this in action. Has anyone got any extra info on this? Video clips? Edit: YouTube[^] I seriously hope this is for real coz it's just so cool. -- modified at 9:08 Wednesday 4th July, 2007
I think I'm going to call my next project "Chuck Norris". It's a sure way to guarantee it's unbreakable.
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But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
I spent several months (while I 'worked' for a stupid company that failed to give me any work but expected me to turn up every day) researching this whole area and if I remeber rightly Steorn was just starting up 2 years ago when I moved on to do some real work. The only working 'perpetual motion' machine I ever came across which probably works off daily thermal fluctuations or ground vibration is the Finsrud device[^], actaully a work of art in more ways than one. :-D I'll look into the links you posted as I'm on my sick bed today.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Put this in the bin with anti-gravity boots, xray goggles and perpetual motion machines - got to be a publicity stunt of some sort because its not free energy!
Steve_pqr wrote:
anti-gravity boots, xray goggles
Hey, you must have been living under a rock, I've been using these for several years to watch girls "dessous" without being noticed by levitating behind a tree for years.
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Steve_pqr wrote:
anti-gravity boots, xray goggles
Hey, you must have been living under a rock, I've been using these for several years to watch girls "dessous" without being noticed by levitating behind a tree for years.
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I spent several months (while I 'worked' for a stupid company that failed to give me any work but expected me to turn up every day) researching this whole area and if I remeber rightly Steorn was just starting up 2 years ago when I moved on to do some real work. The only working 'perpetual motion' machine I ever came across which probably works off daily thermal fluctuations or ground vibration is the Finsrud device[^], actaully a work of art in more ways than one. :-D I'll look into the links you posted as I'm on my sick bed today.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
The only working 'perpetual motion' machine I ever came across which probably works off daily thermal fluctuations or ground vibration is the Finsrud device
Someone stood there and filmed this for 40mins??? Interesting device though (for the first few mins anyway) notice how the ball nudges the pendulums every time it goes round, its enclosed (in a vacuum to reduce friction?) hot lamps at the top are a heat source (thermal effects?) and the pendulum bobs are very close to the bottom plate under which you can't see (electromagnets?) Its probably a very low friction device - would be interesting to see how it is started up...
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Perhaps they're not engineering PHDs? A friend of mine has a PHD and what she doesn't know about the workings of anything technical could fill so much storage as to cause a worldwide shortage :-)
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
Perhaps they're not engineering PHDs?
I like the idea of somebody with a doctorate in fine arts or classical literature being asked to judge the validity of the technology.
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The universe is full of surprises, and we have a very very very limited understanding of it.....
SG
Sure - you can defy our current understanding of the universe, I thought I said that. You just can't defy the way things *are*, you can only prove that we didn't understand it fully before.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
The only working 'perpetual motion' machine I ever came across which probably works off daily thermal fluctuations or ground vibration is the Finsrud device
Someone stood there and filmed this for 40mins??? Interesting device though (for the first few mins anyway) notice how the ball nudges the pendulums every time it goes round, its enclosed (in a vacuum to reduce friction?) hot lamps at the top are a heat source (thermal effects?) and the pendulum bobs are very close to the bottom plate under which you can't see (electromagnets?) Its probably a very low friction device - would be interesting to see how it is started up...
Steve_pqr wrote:
Someone stood there and filmed this for 40mins???
If you went all the way to the back end of Norway to see it you'd want a decent amount of film to I guess :laugh:
Steve_pqr wrote:
(in a vacuum to reduce friction?)
No it's not in a vacuum as far as I know. It certainly was not when it first got known.
Steve_pqr wrote:
(thermal effects?)
I don't think so. It was orginally without a glass case or overhead lighting when first demonstrated. I don't suppose upward air flow over it does any harm though.:)
Steve_pqr wrote:
(electromagnets?)
Again possible but unlikely as it was originally just sitting on a plain concrete floor in a basement. Since then the plinth or stand has been much reduced, I suppose people thought it contained batteries or something. I doesn't go on for ever by the way so it's not strictly perpetual. It stops randomly sometimes after as long as 19 days and needs restarting. Someone with better math/physics than me did an estimate of the number of joules you'd need just to create the friction based clicking and rumbling constantly for 19 days let alone keep the ball moving and it was considerably more than can easily be explained. My guess is Mr Finsrud's basement might be on a geological instability a bit like the tower at Pizza which is gently rocking the machine perhaps over a period of several hours or days and this what it's tapping into. Just a guess though.:-D
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Steve_pqr wrote:
Someone stood there and filmed this for 40mins???
If you went all the way to the back end of Norway to see it you'd want a decent amount of film to I guess :laugh:
Steve_pqr wrote:
(in a vacuum to reduce friction?)
No it's not in a vacuum as far as I know. It certainly was not when it first got known.
Steve_pqr wrote:
(thermal effects?)
I don't think so. It was orginally without a glass case or overhead lighting when first demonstrated. I don't suppose upward air flow over it does any harm though.:)
Steve_pqr wrote:
(electromagnets?)
Again possible but unlikely as it was originally just sitting on a plain concrete floor in a basement. Since then the plinth or stand has been much reduced, I suppose people thought it contained batteries or something. I doesn't go on for ever by the way so it's not strictly perpetual. It stops randomly sometimes after as long as 19 days and needs restarting. Someone with better math/physics than me did an estimate of the number of joules you'd need just to create the friction based clicking and rumbling constantly for 19 days let alone keep the ball moving and it was considerably more than can easily be explained. My guess is Mr Finsrud's basement might be on a geological instability a bit like the tower at Pizza which is gently rocking the machine perhaps over a period of several hours or days and this what it's tapping into. Just a guess though.:-D
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
My guess is Mr Finsrud's basement might be on a geological instability a bit like the tower at Pizza which is gently rocking the machine perhaps over a period of several hours or days and this what it's tapping into
I wouldn't have thought so, random vibrations or vibrations other than that at the machines resonant frequency (and maybe even there) would just as likely slow it down as keep it moving surely?
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Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:
Perhaps they're not engineering PHDs?
I like the idea of somebody with a doctorate in fine arts or classical literature being asked to judge the validity of the technology.
Please visit http://www.readytogiveup.com/ and do something special today. Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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An Irish company will today reveal controversial technology that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power. Steorn, which is based in Dublin, claims to have discovered a method of creating clean, constant energy, which it claims could end the global fuel crisis. Article[^] Orbo site[^] I'd like to see this in action. Has anyone got any extra info on this? Video clips? Edit: YouTube[^] I seriously hope this is for real coz it's just so cool. -- modified at 9:08 Wednesday 4th July, 2007
I think I'm going to call my next project "Chuck Norris". It's a sure way to guarantee it's unbreakable.
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But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
Dave Sexton wrote:
An Irish company will today reveal controversial technology that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power.
First of all, they are not defying physics even if they succeed. Nothing is "free" the rest is all hype. Sunlight is free, the access to the technology of photovoltaic cells is easy, therefore by "their" definition it is free energy, but the costs of manufacture and the amount of energy provided is far from free. Mythbusters on their free energy episode showed a good example of a common "free" energy product that extracts energy from the electromagnetic spectrum around us, the radio waves blasted left and right all around. It didn't even produce enough electricity to power a watch, but it did work and costs much more than a watch battery. So where is the "free?" Free is in the hype, nothing more. Assuming they have succeeded in extracting energy from the magnetic fields around the earth, which is a big assumption, they have not defied the laws of physics at all. In fact there is a wonderful hyped up "free" energy flashlight called something like the shake-lite or something like that. It uses a common physics principle of generating electricity by passing a magnet back and forth, you simply shake it and viola free energy.... except you had to pay for the flashlight, so that wasn't free, and you shake it for 30seconds which is being powered by YOUR energy, you are powered by food, and that wasn't free.... and so on and so forth. In the end, if they really have succeeded, building the device is not free, so all they can do is do better or worse than photovoltaic cells as far as efficiency of electricity output vs costs of technology. Wind is free, but the mechanics of extraction expensive, solar towers can create easier to harness wind which is mechanically easier, but physically larger. Saline lakes can generate electricy. Heck, you can even make your own battery with lemon, which is an ancient trick, but the lemon wasn't free, nor the metals extracted for free, etc. Cost is more than "where" it comes from, cost is the process of extraction too, which in the case of wind and solar have been more of lead-in to other technologies more than fully fruitful of themselves. So lets see the cost of the process, and their "license for a fee" cost. Always check the overlooked costs, and the fine print. :) In the mean time I have 1000sq kilometers of white sand beach in the Tularosa basin I could sell to you f
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Christian Graus wrote:
You can't shake your fist at the universe and announce you want things to work differently.
I disagree; you can certainly do that. I would be surprised, however, if the response was anything but derision and laughter...
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary R. Wheeler wrote:
if the response was anything but derision and laughter...
I expect the response of the universe would be ... no change. :) The universe is very good at ignoring things. Now the neighbors might be laughing. :laugh:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
My guess is Mr Finsrud's basement might be on a geological instability a bit like the tower at Pizza which is gently rocking the machine perhaps over a period of several hours or days and this what it's tapping into
I wouldn't have thought so, random vibrations or vibrations other than that at the machines resonant frequency (and maybe even there) would just as likely slow it down as keep it moving surely?
That's the beauty of Finsrud's machine. If it is focusing random vibration or chaotic and marginal earth movement into an organised pattern of motion then he has succeeded in jumping through the known hole in second law of thermodynamics (entropy is only a hard and fast rule over infinite time) so that he does not have to break the first law. If this is so then we really could recycle waste heat and solve global warming and the energy crisis without breaking any rules. Sadly it's more likely that as an artist he's subconciously tuned the machine to its surroundings and if you took the machine anywhere else it just wouldn't work. Never the less I love it :-D
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Put this in the bin with anti-gravity boots, xray goggles and perpetual motion machines - got to be a publicity stunt of some sort because its not free energy!
Steve_pqr wrote:
xray goggles
I used to have one of those, I got it as a bonus for delivering magazines as a kid... I wore them to school (elementary school) and actually was taken to the principal's office for wearing them. :) I was a geeky troublemaker....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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An Irish company will today reveal controversial technology that allegedly defies basic laws of physics to produce free power. Steorn, which is based in Dublin, claims to have discovered a method of creating clean, constant energy, which it claims could end the global fuel crisis. Article[^] Orbo site[^] I'd like to see this in action. Has anyone got any extra info on this? Video clips? Edit: YouTube[^] I seriously hope this is for real coz it's just so cool. -- modified at 9:08 Wednesday 4th July, 2007
I think I'm going to call my next project "Chuck Norris". It's a sure way to guarantee it's unbreakable.
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But fortunately we have the nanny-state politicians who can step in to protect us poor stupid consumers, most of whom would not know a JVM from a frozen chicken. Bruce Pierson
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Note that it's an Irish company.:-D
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It's not possible to 'defy basic laws of physics'. Either the physics as we understand it is wrong, or it's a hoax. You can't shake your fist at the universe and announce you want things to work differently.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
You can't shake your fist at the universe and announce you want things to work differently.
That's some bad news for the thread starter :-D
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero