So, organic food is better for you
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Exactly True. I would like to take more fruits and vegetables only. No Non-Veg.
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics
Yes, I think that a number of studied need to take a more holistic approach.
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Exactly True. I would like to take more fruits and vegetables only. No Non-Veg.
Regards, Satips.:rose: Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Walk beside me, and just be my friend. - Albert Camus
Satips wrote:
Exactly True. I would like to take more fruits and vegetables only. No Non-Veg.
Did you actually read what Marc said? He said the more is not necessarily better, yet you say you agree with him then advocate the opposite. I'm confused. Given the general type of post you make I don't see this as being an ironic or sureal response but that, in fact, you really are just an idiot.
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Or conversely with toxins when it is assumed that any amount, no matter how little, is harmful.
Kevin
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Satips wrote:
Exactly True. I would like to take more fruits and vegetables only. No Non-Veg.
Did you actually read what Marc said? He said the more is not necessarily better, yet you say you agree with him then advocate the opposite. I'm confused. Given the general type of post you make I don't see this as being an ironic or sureal response but that, in fact, you really are just an idiot.
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He's going to be the winner in the "I have the most down voted messages" contest! ;)
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
That study belongs with fish-oils and perpetual motion machines and all the things that the scientifically illiterate press think are going to save the world[^]
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Excessive consumption of vitamins is known to be toxic.[^. There is some evidence[^]that antioxidants may also be dangerous in large doses.For flavinoids, the jury is still out, but there is no evidence that increased consumption (beyond that normally consumed in normal diet) is of any benefit.[^]
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
i take a homeopathic approach to raw tomatoes : i don't eat any, but i occasionally touch them or smell them in the store, thus getting the maximum benefit.
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i take a homeopathic approach to raw tomatoes : i don't eat any, but i occasionally touch them or smell them in the store, thus getting the maximum benefit.
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Chris Losinger wrote:
i take a homeopathic approach to raw tomatoes : i don't eat any, but i occasionally touch them or smell them in the store, thus getting the maximum benefit.
:laugh: Good one! Marc
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That study belongs with fish-oils and perpetual motion machines and all the things that the scientifically illiterate press think are going to save the world[^]
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hey, don't knock that perpetual motion machine. the very suggestion of its existence has disproven evolution.
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
If you read more detailed accounts of this study, all they found is that organic tomatoes had more flavanoids but they didn't establish that more flavanoids had any effect on health. (One guy even pointed out that Ketchup has far more flavanoids than organic raw tomatoes.) Several recent studies have cast serious doubt on the theory that antioxidants have any effect whatsoever on health. (High fiber diets have also not proven to be efficacious.) Most dietary theories arise from making crude correlations from broad studies that don't control for the item in question. When that theory is then directly tested, they rarely hold up. In the end, the old adage--eat a balanced diet with everything in moderation is still true.
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Quit f'n around with veggies and just eat meat! It'll keep you alive, until you're dead. :) Seriously, the only thing I'm worried about about veggies is the pesticides, and usually organic stuff is pesticide free. But are they? Sorry, don't mean to make your paranoid, but it's the safest place to be :-)
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Clickety[^] A ten-year study comparing organic tomatoes with standard produce found that they had almost double the quantity of antioxidants called flavonoids which help to prevent high blood pressure and thus reduce the likelihood of heart disease and strokes. Alyson Mitchell, a food chemist, who led the research at the University of California, believes that flavonoids can also help to stave off some forms of cancer and dementia. However, the fallacy in this argument is the "more is better" argument. Is more vitamin C, b-carotene, antioxidants and flavenoids really better? And no, I'm not down on organics, I'm just frustrated with the science that looks at specific characteristics and/or makes the assumption that more of something that has shown a potential positive affect means that more is better. On both sides of the spectrum regarding nutrition, health, etc. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm just frustrated with the science
I've been frustrated with the "science" that claims organic nitrogen is different from inorganic nitrogen for decades. There is no scientific basis for much of what the organic crowd claim. What I don't dispute is that the lack of chemical residues on organically grown products is a good thing. Despite the fact that small amounts of pesticide have not been proven to be harmful, I'd much rather eat stuff that has none. Naturally ripened produce is also undeniably more flavorful and contains more nutrient value than the force-ripened (or just plain unripe) garbage sold in stores today. What I'd like to see is a market where modern fertilization and pest-control methods are employed, but at harvest time efficient cleaning methods are utilized, and produce is allowed to remain in the field until ripe. This would require faster, cheaper shipping, I know, but I think that problem can be overcome. BTW - Have you looked into this product[^]? I've ordered some to try, and the research looks promising.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I'm just frustrated with the science
I've been frustrated with the "science" that claims organic nitrogen is different from inorganic nitrogen for decades. There is no scientific basis for much of what the organic crowd claim. What I don't dispute is that the lack of chemical residues on organically grown products is a good thing. Despite the fact that small amounts of pesticide have not been proven to be harmful, I'd much rather eat stuff that has none. Naturally ripened produce is also undeniably more flavorful and contains more nutrient value than the force-ripened (or just plain unripe) garbage sold in stores today. What I'd like to see is a market where modern fertilization and pest-control methods are employed, but at harvest time efficient cleaning methods are utilized, and produce is allowed to remain in the field until ripe. This would require faster, cheaper shipping, I know, but I think that problem can be overcome. BTW - Have you looked into this product[^]? I've ordered some to try, and the research looks promising.
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Roger Wright wrote:
Have you looked into this product[^]?
Interesting, but after reading that China Study book, I definitely tend toward simply eating the fruits and veggies in their natural form. Though it does look quite interesting, given all those studies. I'll be curious to hear what you think of it. Marc
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Roger Wright wrote:
Have you looked into this product[^]?
Interesting, but after reading that China Study book, I definitely tend toward simply eating the fruits and veggies in their natural form. Though it does look quite interesting, given all those studies. I'll be curious to hear what you think of it. Marc
You actually read it? Cool!:cool: What do you think of the data provided? Have you done any independent research to verify or disprove any of it? I find it interesting that the health club where I bought it is still selling protein drinks made entirely from animal sources. Is there nothing made from exclusively vegetable sources? I've searched and found none, but surely since the book someone muct have started producing something useful and tasty from soy products.. .
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You actually read it? Cool!:cool: What do you think of the data provided? Have you done any independent research to verify or disprove any of it? I find it interesting that the health club where I bought it is still selling protein drinks made entirely from animal sources. Is there nothing made from exclusively vegetable sources? I've searched and found none, but surely since the book someone muct have started producing something useful and tasty from soy products.. .
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Roger Wright wrote:
You actually read it?
Karen and I both, and two of my neighbors are eagerly awaiting to read it too.
Roger Wright wrote:
Have you done any independent research to verify or disprove any of it?
I have a variety of info (actually a lot of it from books Karen has because of her fibroid issues), most of which correlates, although ironically the Harvard School Medical Journal refutes most of the claims saying there is no evidence that eating meat or milk is bad for you. One thing I read from the HSMJ looked like it was written as a direct counter to the book. But given the politics, I'm not surprised.
Roger Wright wrote:
Is there nothing made from exclusively vegetable sources?
I'm surprised they don't sell soy-based protein drinks. Doesn't any of those nutrition center places you find in malls sell soy-based protein drinks?
Roger Wright wrote:
but surely since the book someone muct have started producing something useful and tasty from soy products.. .
Useful and tasty, eh? Blech. I pretty much can't deal with too much soy, though in the summer we make fruit smoothies with unsweetened soy milk (WesSoy brand). However, here[^], for example, are a variety of protein powders. Another site[^] with some info. Marc
