Getting frustrated!
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There was Microsoft C/C++ 7.0 before MS Visual C++ 1.0. And before this there was version 6, ... Oh, man! I must be old, when I remember this :eek: SlavoF "I hear and I forget. I see and I remember. I do and I understand." --Confucius
Indeed, but not a Visual C++. VC1 was MSC8
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I'm currently looking for a new job and it seem (against my expectation) a difficult undertaking. I've been developing for a company now for three years, mostly in VB. The last year and a half I spent learning C++ and attended some classes. I actually did some serious application development in C++ during this period. But I don't seem to have a chance on the market. What I'm I missing? What am I doing wrong? Am I to old (31) for a junior developer position? Do the people mind of that I've started just about 4 yrs ago as an IT professional? I'm not looking for the big money, just for a cool challange in a cool country with a couple of cool people :-))). Somebody motivate me (Links to capable agencies would be fine... :-))) Matthias
I got my first professional programming job 9 months ago and I turn 32 in a few weeks. I don't know if age can be an issue for some, but it clearly isn't overall. I was a sales rep before. All that should matter is the quality of your code. Does this mean your old job is gone, or you're just trying to crack into using C++ ? I found the agencies I spoke to close to useless, I got a job by answering an ad, having some software I had written available as a demo, and generally being in the right place at the right time. I'd suggest while you're looking to spend whatever time you can developing your skill set. Are there lots of COM jobs in your area ? Learn more COM. You get the picture. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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It must be hard trying to get a job at 31 with only little programming experience. I would recommend learning Visual C++, as VB programmers are 'two a penny', there are plenty of VB programmers so companies can almost choose what to pay, and due to the almost nill skills needed in learning VB the market has become saturated with programmers. VC++ on the other hand _does_ require a degree of skill, most people I know that program VC++, have been to college or university, also the salaries are alot higher.
*grin* I enjoyed the comment re: skills needed for VB ( although it is probably more comparatively true than in absolute terms ) but are you saying to learn C++ you need to go to college/uni ? If so, I disagree. I think people who have taught themselves/used on-line resources are more likely to be living and breathing it, compared to people who went to uni and chose IT because it pays well. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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This goes back to a thread that passed through about a month ago, about lying on your resume. The problem is those liars are actually getting jobs, and the people who tell the truth ("No, I haven't played with that particular technology, but I learn quickly - just have a look at the diverse projects that I have done in the past...") seem to be shunned. But I guess it is worth being turned down by such people, as they probably have a shop full of crap people! Have fun, Paul Westcott.
I agree - I'd NEVER lie in a job interview, because if I say I know everything there is to know about *insert topic here*, they will find out soon enough I do not, and if the net question isn't designed to test my statement then the interviewers are idiots. In any case I believe the greatest asset one can have in this industry is to be willing to say - 'I don't know, but I'll find out'. Anyone can try to be a hero. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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*grin* I enjoyed the comment re: skills needed for VB ( although it is probably more comparatively true than in absolute terms ) but are you saying to learn C++ you need to go to college/uni ? If so, I disagree. I think people who have taught themselves/used on-line resources are more likely to be living and breathing it, compared to people who went to uni and chose IT because it pays well. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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Uhh.. not to disagree with you, but Visual C++ didn't exist until 1993. It would be kind of hard to have switched to it in 1991.
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I'm currently looking for a new job and it seem (against my expectation) a difficult undertaking. I've been developing for a company now for three years, mostly in VB. The last year and a half I spent learning C++ and attended some classes. I actually did some serious application development in C++ during this period. But I don't seem to have a chance on the market. What I'm I missing? What am I doing wrong? Am I to old (31) for a junior developer position? Do the people mind of that I've started just about 4 yrs ago as an IT professional? I'm not looking for the big money, just for a cool challange in a cool country with a couple of cool people :-))). Somebody motivate me (Links to capable agencies would be fine... :-))) Matthias
Where are you now and where do you want to work? There are plenty of jobs in the Metro NY area at all skill levels (and all pay scales). There are also plenty of job expo's where you can quickly play the field to see what's hot and how much a given skill set is bringing in. One I've used before is www.techexpousa.com Good luck! P.S. From the comments I've seen on this board it seems like some people have no problem finding a job and are on top of the world, while others with the same background are struggling to find work. Is this a regional problem, a job skills problem, or something else?
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I got my first professional programming job 9 months ago and I turn 32 in a few weeks. I don't know if age can be an issue for some, but it clearly isn't overall. I was a sales rep before. All that should matter is the quality of your code. Does this mean your old job is gone, or you're just trying to crack into using C++ ? I found the agencies I spoke to close to useless, I got a job by answering an ad, having some software I had written available as a demo, and generally being in the right place at the right time. I'd suggest while you're looking to spend whatever time you can developing your skill set. Are there lots of COM jobs in your area ? Learn more COM. You get the picture. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
No, I've been doing C++ programming now for 1,5 yrs seriously. I've spend 3 yrs writing VB apps but I've lost my faith in VB and wanted to move on. Now I don't actually have a problem finding a job in the VB section, but I don't want to make a step backwards. Unfortunately nobody wants to hire an 31yrs old "intermediate" C++ coder. One of the posts stated that I might be using *wrong* agencies. How do I find the *right* ones? Matthias
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Where are you now and where do you want to work? There are plenty of jobs in the Metro NY area at all skill levels (and all pay scales). There are also plenty of job expo's where you can quickly play the field to see what's hot and how much a given skill set is bringing in. One I've used before is www.techexpousa.com Good luck! P.S. From the comments I've seen on this board it seems like some people have no problem finding a job and are on top of the world, while others with the same background are struggling to find work. Is this a regional problem, a job skills problem, or something else?
Currently I'm living in the Czech Republic (my girl-friend is czech), but I'm german and therefore I can work anywhere in Europe without probs. I'd like to work in Canada, Australia or the US, but I guess it's kind of problematically to get a working permit. It might be a problem of skills: I've had so far only one job (about 4 years) doing mostly VB development. During to re-organization of the company I got the chance to switch to VC++ the last 1,5 yrs. Now I don't want to go back to VB as the "mother-tongue" but continue to improve myself in C++. Matthias
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Currently I'm living in the Czech Republic (my girl-friend is czech), but I'm german and therefore I can work anywhere in Europe without probs. I'd like to work in Canada, Australia or the US, but I guess it's kind of problematically to get a working permit. It might be a problem of skills: I've had so far only one job (about 4 years) doing mostly VB development. During to re-organization of the company I got the chance to switch to VC++ the last 1,5 yrs. Now I don't want to go back to VB as the "mother-tongue" but continue to improve myself in C++. Matthias
You could come over without too much trouble, but your girlfriend might have trouble, unless she has some skill that's on the "In demand" list. Canada seems to be more liberal about letting people in than the US.
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No, I've been doing C++ programming now for 1,5 yrs seriously. I've spend 3 yrs writing VB apps but I've lost my faith in VB and wanted to move on. Now I don't actually have a problem finding a job in the VB section, but I don't want to make a step backwards. Unfortunately nobody wants to hire an 31yrs old "intermediate" C++ coder. One of the posts stated that I might be using *wrong* agencies. How do I find the *right* ones? Matthias
Agencies are more likely to put forward a 'safe' bet. Which means younger people, I guess. I got no-where with them either. I'd start looking at the papers and contacting prospective employers directly. Don't worry about impressing an agency, just go out and try to impress the people who matter - the ones you want to employ you. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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Christian The point I getting here - is any Tom Dick or Harry can write VB, where-as C++ requires some degree of thought and skill.
I'd agree C++ requires more skill than VB, even M$ agrees with that, now that they are flogging C#. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.