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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Not that it matters much, but I have an Honours degree in Computer Science.
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Bachelors of Engineering in Computer Science from Vellore Engineering College now Vellore Institute of Technology http://www.vit.ac.in/[^]
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
I'm a C# developer who never went to uni. Sometimes I'm missing a little theory that studying would have tought me but the professional expreience I got instead was far more useful in the real world. Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
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I'm a C# developer who never went to uni. Sometimes I'm missing a little theory that studying would have tought me but the professional expreience I got instead was far more useful in the real world. Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
originSH wrote:
Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
What makes you say that?
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I'm a C# developer who never went to uni. Sometimes I'm missing a little theory that studying would have tought me but the professional expreience I got instead was far more useful in the real world. Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
originSH wrote:
Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
Tosh! I've been interviewing a bit lately. Whilst I think the standard of degrees in the UK has dropped. An honours degree from a good Uni is still a good indicator! Practical experience is OK, but if all you can do is ASP.NET and VB* you're unlikely to get to a 2nd interview in most large companies! * example given as that seems to be what most "self-teach" people get to. I admit, there are always exceptions....... :laugh:
Regards, Ray
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originSH wrote:
Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
What makes you say that?
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You have someone with professional experience of 3 years or someone with just a degree ... who do you pick? The only time I've seen degree's come into play is to distinguish 2 almost identical candidates or for large business who have more paperwork than sense. Most CS degrees prove you can learn and remember stuff, they don't prove you have any ability for development work due to the incompitent tutors and lack of up to date materials. (I realise this is not always true, there are some extreamly good tutors and extreamly good courses, but for most usual courses it is)
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originSH wrote:
Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
Tosh! I've been interviewing a bit lately. Whilst I think the standard of degrees in the UK has dropped. An honours degree from a good Uni is still a good indicator! Practical experience is OK, but if all you can do is ASP.NET and VB* you're unlikely to get to a 2nd interview in most large companies! * example given as that seems to be what most "self-teach" people get to. I admit, there are always exceptions....... :laugh:
Regards, Ray
I agree a degree from a good Uni is very handy, especially if you want to go int othe research and theory side of things. But for the majority of jobs experience is a way better indicator than a degree. Who would you choose, someone who has 3 years proven track record in a professional development environment or someone with a bog standard degree?
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You have someone with professional experience of 3 years or someone with just a degree ... who do you pick? The only time I've seen degree's come into play is to distinguish 2 almost identical candidates or for large business who have more paperwork than sense. Most CS degrees prove you can learn and remember stuff, they don't prove you have any ability for development work due to the incompitent tutors and lack of up to date materials. (I realise this is not always true, there are some extreamly good tutors and extreamly good courses, but for most usual courses it is)
So your problem is with a degree in general, not just those from the UK? It sounds to me like sour grapes...
originSH wrote:
You have someone with professional experience of 3 years or someone with just a degree ... who do you pick?
Professional experience counts for a lot, yes. But there's also a lot to be said for formal training in your field of expertise... I've seen many self-taught programmers who can indeed write software that works, but they tend to lack disipline and a complete understasnding of the background behind their methods.
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So your problem is with a degree in general, not just those from the UK? It sounds to me like sour grapes...
originSH wrote:
You have someone with professional experience of 3 years or someone with just a degree ... who do you pick?
Professional experience counts for a lot, yes. But there's also a lot to be said for formal training in your field of expertise... I've seen many self-taught programmers who can indeed write software that works, but they tend to lack disipline and a complete understasnding of the background behind their methods.
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I've seen alot of CS graduates who couldn't code there way out of a paper bag :P I've also seen alot of self taught coders who created horrific code! Thats why I'd use a proven professional record to judge someone. I never said self taught was better ... just degrees arn't very good indicators.
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well engineers from different field hv got more scope then..Well i can see many electrical, electronics, mechanical engineer working in a software company but what about computer engineer ..can they work in mechanical, electrical field...i guess no... Any one could do computing in todays time..which is really sad at times for computer engineers..
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Software_Specialist wrote:
Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Me! Me! BTW, what's a computer engineer? I certainly don't see any engineering going on this industry! Marc
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Software_Specialist wrote:
Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
well, I never needed to study computers. I dropped out because I was battling politics and not learning anything. I have a tech certificate in business computing (accounting programming) and I do 3D graphics.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I agree a degree from a good Uni is very handy, especially if you want to go int othe research and theory side of things. But for the majority of jobs experience is a way better indicator than a degree. Who would you choose, someone who has 3 years proven track record in a professional development environment or someone with a bog standard degree?
Your example of "just out of school with no experience" vs. "no school, and a few years of experience" is valid, but I don't think that holds much weight, when you're in the industry for 10 years or more. Would I rather have 10 years of work experience or 6 years of work experience and 4 years of formal training? I'd take the latter. Also, anyone that actually has an INTEREST in programming / computer science is not simply going to sit idle during their university years. They will take up personal projects and do a significant amount of development work. In the end, unless you do not have the opportunity to get decent instructors and useful course material, I think skipping university is a short-sighted move. I'm not saying that everyone has this opportunity -- it depends on the person and their situation, but I think for many many people, if they put in a bit of effort and do a bit of careful planning, they will have this opportunity. That said, I would like to say that university programs with internships (or co-op terms) are to me, the most useful way of learning, since they properly fuse together the formal training and the work experience so in the process of doing all your academic work, you also get a chance to apply those skills.
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Who all are working as a computer engineer who never even studied computers in University..???
Me, straight from school into a trainee programmer position. In my day if you went to University you had to wear a white coat and be a fully paid up member of the BLF[^] My mentor at my first job did go to Uni and so had a beard, although he only wore his white coat out of hours, for some reason :suss:
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I'm a C# developer who never went to uni. Sometimes I'm missing a little theory that studying would have tought me but the professional expreience I got instead was far more useful in the real world. Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
originSH wrote:
Plus the CS degrees in the UK don't count for all that much.
Well where I currently work they required a degree or you more than likely (99% of the time) wont even get in to a 1st interview, but thats just my experience.
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Your example of "just out of school with no experience" vs. "no school, and a few years of experience" is valid, but I don't think that holds much weight, when you're in the industry for 10 years or more. Would I rather have 10 years of work experience or 6 years of work experience and 4 years of formal training? I'd take the latter. Also, anyone that actually has an INTEREST in programming / computer science is not simply going to sit idle during their university years. They will take up personal projects and do a significant amount of development work. In the end, unless you do not have the opportunity to get decent instructors and useful course material, I think skipping university is a short-sighted move. I'm not saying that everyone has this opportunity -- it depends on the person and their situation, but I think for many many people, if they put in a bit of effort and do a bit of careful planning, they will have this opportunity. That said, I would like to say that university programs with internships (or co-op terms) are to me, the most useful way of learning, since they properly fuse together the formal training and the work experience so in the process of doing all your academic work, you also get a chance to apply those skills.
Are you talking about the UK here? I'm not on about anywhere else ... in America I think having a degree is especially useful as it is a major factor when job hunting. In the UK if your not in the best CS courses it's shocking how much crap you can be taught. And at the end of it you can come out with a score on your degree and a complete lack of understanding of programming.
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Are you talking about the UK here? I'm not on about anywhere else ... in America I think having a degree is especially useful as it is a major factor when job hunting. In the UK if your not in the best CS courses it's shocking how much crap you can be taught. And at the end of it you can come out with a score on your degree and a complete lack of understanding of programming.