Developer's Age !
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Kareem Shaker wrote:
I think it varies from one country to another
Yes, I think that's true. The impression I get from my developer friends outside North America (specifically those in India and Sri Lanka) is that a "developer" position ranks lower than "project manager". IOW, a developer is expected to eventually grow into an engineering manager who oversees other developers and the execution of projects. While that's certainly a viable career path, it's by no means the only one. Software shops in the US/Canada offer significant opportunities for developers who prefer to remain closely associated with design and implementation and have no desire to manage. Friends of mine who work for Google and Yahoo (in India) say this is also true of their employers. I expect this may also be the case for companies in Europe, but don't have any first-hand experience of that. /ravi
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Yes Ravi, I think what you've said is quite right, in some specific countries being a developer is a lower rank compared to project manager, however, I believe also that if you work for a good employer who cares about resources, and invest in them, this would make a developer to evolve, for example in Middle East most of the employers are task-oriented, they don't give a da*n about the developers, I believe also if the employer cares about the resources as much as he cares about the projects delivery , this would make a difference, I think also up to some age you can still write code, and kill yourself to get the job done, or to study a new technology, but when you get somehow old, get a family and kids, suffer from back pain, and I am sure 90% of developers do, I think you will start thinking about having some rest, especially our job is restless, and from time to time, we get new technologies, that we have to learn and master, otherwise we'll be behind!
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
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once a coder always a coder.. I enjoy facing new chanllenges everyday..
Hallo, I think coding is the most stupid thing you could do in your live. As sooner you quit, as better it is Unfortunatelly I am still in coding but I am trying to avoid coding as much as I can. By the way I am much more than 35 years old.... Being a soldier is the much better choice... long time ago....:( chris
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
As for as the profession is concerned age matters till we can code, code it doesnot stopped till he/she likes. I will code as long as i like. So age is not at all a constraint for programming i used to program a lot apart from my office works.
Regards, Satips.:rose: Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Walk beside me, and just be my friend. - Albert Camus
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
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As for as the profession is concerned age matters till we can code, code it doesnot stopped till he/she likes. I will code as long as i like. So age is not at all a constraint for programming i used to program a lot apart from my office works.
Regards, Satips.:rose: Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Walk beside me, and just be my friend. - Albert Camus
Satips wrote:
I will code as long as i like. So age is not at all a constraint for programming
I totally agree with you there :)
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I'm into code, any het Dave Cutler is 65 :omg: and could ring circles round you and me. The older the wiser I say,
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norm .net wrote:
older the wiser I say
I agree because I feel that older developers in the developer communities are an important part of mentoring younger developers.
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Hey, I am so sorry if you've got it as discriminatory expression, I just wanted to give an example, with all respect to you. However, I am eager to hear about your experience, I know I will be 35 in 5 years time, that's why I want to learn from your experience :)
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
Ooh - you'll be so old. How will you cope with the loss of faculties and drooling down your chin? I assume you've taken the life insurance out now that your life is so close to being over.
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The DevMan wrote:
I think the programming is very exhausting process
Compared to what? Coding is a cakewalk compared to paving rodes and building houses. :)
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Chris Austin wrote:
Coding is a cakewalk compared to paving rodes
Or even spelling correctly. :)
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I don't think age is a real issue. Once programming is in your blood you will do for your entire life, whether as a career or hobby!
Kareem Shaker wrote:
and if you are somehow old, let's say 35,
Age is just a state of mind! Mike @ 58
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin"
It's not the age of the developer that matters, it is the enthusiasm level that counts. Question is not how old are you, it is how enthusiastic you are! Problem : as you get older, keeping your enthusiasm up is more challenging. But it brings in mind an old joke: There is an old bull and a young bull in the top paddock. The farmer accidentally leaves the gate open between the bulls and the cows paddock. The young bull sees this and gets very excited. He hops around and says to the old bull 'Let's run down there and have ourselves a cow!'. The old bull finishes munching his grass, looks up and says 'No, lets walk down there and have the lot!' Age and experience will win over youth and exuberance any day :-)
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
I dont know how developers at 40 and 50 keep in the game. Im only 18, and i have a lot of trouble keeping up with all the things you need to learn. I dont know if there are many older developers out there, but good on ya if you are :)
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I don't think age is a real issue. Once programming is in your blood you will do for your entire life, whether as a career or hobby!
Kareem Shaker wrote:
and if you are somehow old, let's say 35,
Age is just a state of mind! Mike @ 58
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin"
Well, I'm 66, and yes, once programming gets into your blood, it stays there. BUT, age is definitely not only a state of mind. My body says otherwise! The nice thing is, though, when I'm immersed in a programming challenge, the aches and pains seem to disappear. Also, after 20 or so years in the programming chair, you've pretty much made all the mistakes that can be made, so I find that my coding doesn't need a lot of tuning. Cheers, Phil
Ven. Phil
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
I'm 26 and I have been developing for 16 years (5 commercially). I always wanted to be a developer, and I always will be a developer. Most people get to a point in life where they have to decide between development and admin. It is something you have to decide for yourself and live according to that.
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I am 38, and I disagree :-)
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Hello, Just wanted to know if there are people out there willing to complete their lives in programming, in other words, how do you plan your career vs. your age, I have seen developers aged at 40s and 50s, do you think that the one should quit development at a certain age and shift to technical consultations or project management, and if you are old, and still into code, does this make you small or big ( I think it varies from one country to another ) ? Please share your experience here !
Kareem Shaker http://cairocafe.blogspot.com
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Well, I'm 66, and yes, once programming gets into your blood, it stays there. BUT, age is definitely not only a state of mind. My body says otherwise! The nice thing is, though, when I'm immersed in a programming challenge, the aches and pains seem to disappear. Also, after 20 or so years in the programming chair, you've pretty much made all the mistakes that can be made, so I find that my coding doesn't need a lot of tuning. Cheers, Phil
Ven. Phil
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Dear I think the programming is very exhausting process, so I think the max age I can do this job is 35 after that I think team leading and project management will be more suitable for me. At last I would thank you for posting this interesting issue that I was in needs to here other voices about it. thank you Ahmed A. Korany
The DevMan wrote:
I think the programming is very exhausting process, so I think the max age I can do this job is 35 after that I think team leading and project management will be more suitable for me.
If you think that a team lead or project management role is going to be less stressful or tiring, think again. :doh:
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Well, I'm 66, and yes, once programming gets into your blood, it stays there. BUT, age is definitely not only a state of mind. My body says otherwise! The nice thing is, though, when I'm immersed in a programming challenge, the aches and pains seem to disappear. Also, after 20 or so years in the programming chair, you've pretty much made all the mistakes that can be made, so I find that my coding doesn't need a lot of tuning. Cheers, Phil
Ven. Phil
Phil,
Ven. Phil wrote:
BUT, age is definitely not only a state of mind. My body says otherwise!
Yes I agree, I remodel homes by day and I have pains I didn't know I had muscles for.
Ven. Phil wrote:
Also, after 20 or so years in the programming chair, you've pretty much made all the mistakes that can be made, so I find that my coding doesn't need a lot of tuning.
Yeh, I just have a problem deciding on a design and then sticking with it. Mike
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin"
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It's not the age of the developer that matters, it is the enthusiasm level that counts. Question is not how old are you, it is how enthusiastic you are! Problem : as you get older, keeping your enthusiasm up is more challenging. But it brings in mind an old joke: There is an old bull and a young bull in the top paddock. The farmer accidentally leaves the gate open between the bulls and the cows paddock. The young bull sees this and gets very excited. He hops around and says to the old bull 'Let's run down there and have ourselves a cow!'. The old bull finishes munching his grass, looks up and says 'No, lets walk down there and have the lot!' Age and experience will win over youth and exuberance any day :-)
Bruce Chapman iFinity.com.au - Websites and Software Development Plithy remark available in Beta 2
Bruce Yes experience is a valuable tool and yes it is harder to keep enthusiasm level up but when you do some awesome things can be done! I've heard the joke before but still a good one! Mike
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin"