Microsoft Word for Blondes 1.0
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Your insensitivity is stunning. Don't you think the butt of a joke is going to be hurt by it regardless of the amount of "history" there is behind it? So arguing that a certain class is more affected by a joke based on the amount of "history" is a null argument. I'm certain that the person who's on the end of the joke doesn't feel any better or worse because of the "history". Being the butt of a joke ALWAYS hurts! And if you wan't to point out the amount of history a certain class has, take a look at the Jewish religion, or the Irish. The Jews have been persecuted 2000 years and the Irish 800 years. Yet people like you think nothing of making jokes about them. And I'm certain that it hurts them just as much as it would hurt a black person to be the butt of a joke. So when you get down to it, all classes ARE the same. YOU just have to be sensitive enough to the position of the person who's the butt of the joke to see it, and obviously you aren't.
Ed Noell wrote:
Your insensitivity is stunning. Don't you think the butt of a joke is going to be hurt by it regardless of the amount of "history" there is behind it? So arguing that a certain class is more affected by a joke based on the amount of "history" is a null argument. I'm certain that the person who's on the end of the joke doesn't feel any better or worse because of the "history". Being the butt of a joke ALWAYS hurts! And if you wan't to point out the amount of history a certain class has, take a look at the Jewish religion, or the Irish. The Jews have been persecuted 2000 years and the Irish 800 years. Yet people like you think nothing of making jokes about them. And I'm certain that it hurts them just as much as it would hurt a black person to be the butt of a joke. So when you get down to it, all classes ARE the same. YOU just have to be sensitive enough to the position of the person who's the butt of the joke to see it, and obviously you aren't.
A) I don't make jokes about Jewish or Irish people. Besides, I'm Irish on my father's side, and Jewish on my mother's side, so I'd just be attacking myself. Nice touch, though, accusing me of something where you've never seen it. It's funny you picked my two halves. B) The first I ever heard of "blonde jokes" was when I started dating a blonde woman, who had a ton of them. I have another blonde friend who also tells them -- she was an executive VP of a union, she's been to DC to lobby Senators etc. I'm pointing this out because they're both smart women. I still don't make blonde jokes. I'm uncertain of their negative effects, but I get the feeling it's not considered by blondes to reach the level of racism. C) Actually, I think you're making my point. Blonde people, as far as I know, were not persecuted like blacks, Jews or the Irish. I think a common thread in those 3 groups is that they have been segregated in some way -- blondes have not be segregated. In fact the perfect support for my argument is to include all 3 groups in the discussion. Thanks. You know, as I typing this, I'm thinking -- geez, isn't this obvious???
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I see it as a double standard when black people can make rap music about killing white people and it is not called racist and you can have things like the UNCF, but whenever white people make jokes about them people like you just whine "RACISM INJUSTICE SLAVERY :((:((:((:((:(("
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I see it as a double standard when black people can make rap music about killing white people and it is not called racist and you can have things like the UNCF, but whenever white people make jokes about them people like you just whine "RACISM INJUSTICE SLAVERY "
The point would be that all black people don't write or listen to rap music etc. There's a lot of black people who are totally against the more negative content in rap. But thanks for this post -- you've made things a lot clearer about the intent of your initial post.
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TomGarth wrote:
Wasted space. Tom Garth Developer R. L. Nelson and Associates, Inc., Virginia
Tom, why not be more specific?
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mobilemobile wrote:
A) Blondes can change their hair color.
Michael Jackson changed his colour.;)
mobilemobile wrote:
B) More than 300 years of slavery and repression.
Can't see the connection with MS Word, but then I try to get on with my life without too many PC agendas. Black people actually have a sense of humour because they are, after all, just human.:rose:
sirius-black wrote:
mobilemobile wrote: A) Blondes can change their hair color. Michael Jackson changed his colour. mobilemobile wrote: B) More than 300 years of slavery and repression. Can't see the connection with MS Word, but then I try to get on with my life without too many PC agendas. Black people actually have a sense of humour because they are, after all, just human.
Some things are just about PC, and some things aren't. I'm thinking this isn't just PC. I have to say, this board seems to have a not very diverse demographic. Perhaps that's why this joke is OK here.
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TomGarth wrote:
Wasted space. Tom Garth Developer R. L. Nelson and Associates, Inc., Virginia
Tom, why not be more specific?
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I was raising my hand. The whole section is not only wasted space, and not funny, but including the link in the DailyNews mailing was dumb, and it wasted my time.
Tom Garth Developer R. L. Nelson and Associates, Inc., Virginia
I certainly wished I had never seen it. It ticked me off too much to ignore unfortunately.
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Better than the actual Word. For once I'm gonna have to go with the Blondes on something. Best tool for the job, you know.
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Back from the Marilyn Monroe days of the dizzy blonde... didn't she star in a movie "Blondes have more fun" or something similar?
------------------------------------------- Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow; Don't walk behind me, I may not lead; Just bugger off and leave me alone!!
"Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" - it's pretty funny and definitely worth renting if you can find it. "Some Like it Hot" is by far her funniest movie... but it's not her that made it good. She was just in it. It is possible that the dumb blonde myth originated in the book "Gentlemen Prefer Blondes" but I think it's much older than that.
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Misogyny and racism in the same thread. Way to go (presumably white and male) CPers.
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Ed Noell wrote:
There is no difference between blonde jokes and black jokes.
I disagree. That would be ignoring 300+ years of American history. This is not a theoretical argument -- one class is the same as another -- these two groups of people have had a wildly divergent history in this country. Really, I can't believe that I have to explain this.
HISTORY being the operative term there. I have never owned a slave, never been a slave, never SEEN a slave, and neither have you. Stop whining about things that happened a long time ago and have no bearing on today. It's an excuse... "oh I can't get a good job because of 300 years of slavery"... WHAT THE FUCK???! Bull shit. You can't get a job because of what you are choosing to do right now, not because of anything that happened lots of years ago. Seriously... stop bitching about it because nobody cares anymore. Divergent history doesn't mean a damn thing RIGHT NOW! It is history. "Stop crying over spilled milk" and all those cliches. Point number two is this: this joke actually points out one way that black people work very hard to perpetuate racism in this country. They CHOOSE to speak a different language from the rest of us! Why? Because they don't know English? No, it's because they WANT to separate themselves from the rest of society. It is completely hypocritical to want to be separate and equal. Decide what you want... either become proud generic Americans like the rest of us, or EXPECT to be treated differently. Honestly... are we adults here or not? Point number three is this: if you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone else either, and that makes for a pretty sad life. There is a thing called humor, and it's not designed to illicit this kind of response. It is supposed to be funny. If you don't find it funny, don't laugh... but don't act as if someone is Hitler himself because they told a joke. It is a fucking joke, ok? Look it up.
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kjude wrote:
get a life - its just a joke (altho i agree that 'word for rappers' may have been a wiser choice of title) ive seen 'word for glaswegians' and 'word for geordies' before too, and they're at least as offensive as that.
Sorry, I have to speak up when something this offensive occurs. I'm not sure what the dynamic is in the UK -- that is, I don't understand how offensive jokes about "glaswegians" are, I don't know the history or the current socio-economic situation -- but in the US this type of humor, which was here presented as representing all black people, is unacceptable in normal public discourse. Anyone who is familiar with, among other things, the disaster in New Orleans during and after Katrina, would understand that such topics in the US are beyond the hurt of the words only, that the words represent an attitude that stills exists in a reasonably large portion of the American population.
White people did not invent the language Ebonics. If that's what you can call it. You're backwards on this. If you're going to invent a language that reminds the rest of us of baby-talk and jibberish, and is in many ways a perversion of, and insult to the original language... expect a few jokes about it.
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HISTORY being the operative term there. I have never owned a slave, never been a slave, never SEEN a slave, and neither have you. Stop whining about things that happened a long time ago and have no bearing on today. It's an excuse... "oh I can't get a good job because of 300 years of slavery"... WHAT THE FUCK???! Bull shit. You can't get a job because of what you are choosing to do right now, not because of anything that happened lots of years ago. Seriously... stop bitching about it because nobody cares anymore. Divergent history doesn't mean a damn thing RIGHT NOW! It is history. "Stop crying over spilled milk" and all those cliches. Point number two is this: this joke actually points out one way that black people work very hard to perpetuate racism in this country. They CHOOSE to speak a different language from the rest of us! Why? Because they don't know English? No, it's because they WANT to separate themselves from the rest of society. It is completely hypocritical to want to be separate and equal. Decide what you want... either become proud generic Americans like the rest of us, or EXPECT to be treated differently. Honestly... are we adults here or not? Point number three is this: if you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone else either, and that makes for a pretty sad life. There is a thing called humor, and it's not designed to illicit this kind of response. It is supposed to be funny. If you don't find it funny, don't laugh... but don't act as if someone is Hitler himself because they told a joke. It is a fucking joke, ok? Look it up.
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http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.Jasmine2501 wrote:
HISTORY being the operative term there. I have never owned a slave, never been a slave, never SEEN a slave, and neither have you. Stop whining about things that happened a long time ago and have no bearing on today. It's an excuse... "oh I can't get a good job because of 300 years of slavery"... WHAT THE f***???! Bull sh*t. You can't get a job because of what you are choosing to do right now, not because of anything that happened lots of years ago. Seriously... stop bitching about it because nobody cares anymore. Divergent history doesn't mean a damn thing RIGHT NOW! It is history. "Stop crying over spilled milk" and all those cliches. Point number two is this: this joke actually points out one way that black people work very hard to perpetuate racism in this country. They CHOOSE to speak a different language from the rest of us! Why? Because they don't know English? No, it's because they WANT to separate themselves from the rest of society. It is completely hypocritical to want to be separate and equal. Decide what you want... either become proud generic Americans like the rest of us, or EXPECT to be treated differently. Honestly... are we adults here or not? Point number three is this: if you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone else either, and that makes for a pretty sad life. There is a thing called humor, and it's not designed to illicit this kind of response. It is supposed to be funny. If you don't find it funny, don't laugh... but don't act as if someone is Hitler himself because they told a joke. It is a f****ing joke, ok? Look it up. "Quality Software since 1983!" http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.
History then is inertia now. And don't give me this "If I can do it, so can they." You have absolutely no idea. Your 3rd point -- that it's just a joke -- seems to be contradicted by your 1st and 2nd points. You seem very angry at African-Americans. Doesn't sound like you're joking to me. It sure is interesting to see what's coming out of this board.
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White people did not invent the language Ebonics. If that's what you can call it. You're backwards on this. If you're going to invent a language that reminds the rest of us of baby-talk and jibberish, and is in many ways a perversion of, and insult to the original language... expect a few jokes about it.
"Quality Software since 1983!"
http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.Wow! Do I need to respond to this? I think it's just supporting my point.
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Jasmine2501 wrote:
HISTORY being the operative term there. I have never owned a slave, never been a slave, never SEEN a slave, and neither have you. Stop whining about things that happened a long time ago and have no bearing on today. It's an excuse... "oh I can't get a good job because of 300 years of slavery"... WHAT THE f***???! Bull sh*t. You can't get a job because of what you are choosing to do right now, not because of anything that happened lots of years ago. Seriously... stop bitching about it because nobody cares anymore. Divergent history doesn't mean a damn thing RIGHT NOW! It is history. "Stop crying over spilled milk" and all those cliches. Point number two is this: this joke actually points out one way that black people work very hard to perpetuate racism in this country. They CHOOSE to speak a different language from the rest of us! Why? Because they don't know English? No, it's because they WANT to separate themselves from the rest of society. It is completely hypocritical to want to be separate and equal. Decide what you want... either become proud generic Americans like the rest of us, or EXPECT to be treated differently. Honestly... are we adults here or not? Point number three is this: if you can't laugh at yourself, then you can't laugh at anyone else either, and that makes for a pretty sad life. There is a thing called humor, and it's not designed to illicit this kind of response. It is supposed to be funny. If you don't find it funny, don't laugh... but don't act as if someone is Hitler himself because they told a joke. It is a f****ing joke, ok? Look it up. "Quality Software since 1983!" http://www.smoothjazzy.com/ - see the "Programming" section for freeware tools and articles.
History then is inertia now. And don't give me this "If I can do it, so can they." You have absolutely no idea. Your 3rd point -- that it's just a joke -- seems to be contradicted by your 1st and 2nd points. You seem very angry at African-Americans. Doesn't sound like you're joking to me. It sure is interesting to see what's coming out of this board.
mobilemobile wrote:
It sure is interesting to see what's coming out of this board.
This whole entire thread about this topic really does not belong in the Lounge, but the Soapbox. That is all I have to say about it.
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I get it. It's not okay to make fun of black people, but it is okay to make fun of blondes. Do I detect a double standard here? I think the Politically Correct thing has gone WAY too far.
It started off being WAY too far. Besides, a joke is a joke. People who take offense to them have a stick wedged way too far up their ass. I'm of German-Ukranian descent and you know what? When people tell German or Ukranian jokes around me, I laugh (well, as long as they're funny -- there are non-offensive jokes that aren't funny, and I don't laugh at those either). People just want one more thing to complain about, and take out their own insecurities and feelings of inferiority out on others. That's the whole basis of political correctness, and I'm not afraid to point it out.
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