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Chris Maunder wrote:
The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
Cake.
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Considering the number of fake accounts that people can create, I would suggest a two fold solution. (1) An annually non-refundable renewable membership fee. (2) Probationary period of not less than 3 months before the members are awarded a Bronze medal. During this probationary period, voting privileges are denied. If during this probationary period, the junior member has an unacceptably large number of spam or abuse votes especially where messages removed results, their membership is revoked. However, where messages are removed, I would like to see both a highly visible warning message replacing the text of the removed message and a warning e-mail despatched to the member. The member should have right to appeal against any removed messages, or revoked membership in the same sort of way that an employee has right of appeal where disciplinary action has been taken against him/her. Having any extra clickable buttons may not be the best way forward.
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I could use invisibility lotion :)
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leppie wrote:
I could use invisibility lotion
Quagmire? Is that you?
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Or simply remove the non-technical forums such as the Lounge and Soapbox. They don't add any value to CP and attract trolls.
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I could use invisibility lotion :)
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I had some - if I find it I'll let you know.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Make that gold and above. There are heaps of them anyway....
Chris Maunder wrote:
Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute
I thought this was in place since last month?
Chris Maunder wrote:
I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
I'm tempted to say 'Great idea!' but sadly it's going to be abused. Maybe you can make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles.
Again, this is going to be HEAVILY abused. Point #3 mitigates this abuse to a certain extent, but if you want to see an example of this abuse, I suggest you look at the votes I've been garnering in the C# forum. I don't give a damn what happens in the Lounge, but I do my best to help people in small ways in the C# forum, and some arsehole is dutifully voting every post of mine down. That is abuse in my book. :|
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I do my best to help people in small ways in the C# forum, and some arsehole is dutifully voting every post of mine down. That is abuse in my book.
I know exactly where you are coming from. The same is happening to me also.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
make it accessible to Platinum members only - there are only a few of them, and they're all generally good apples
I dunno about that. I've got platinum :)
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Rob Manderson wrote:
I dunno about that. I've got platinum
Rob, I'd trust you with that responsibility. You might not think that you are a good apple, but I recon that you are, at least, a good egg! :-D
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Or simply remove the non-technical forums such as the Lounge and Soapbox. They don't add any value to CP and attract trolls.
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
Or simply remove the non-technical forums such as the Lounge and Soapbox.
Good luck with that. :doh:
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
They don't add any value to CP and attract trolls.
Errr, that's a nice bridge you have there. How much to cross it again?
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Bert delaVega wrote:
should have a jailhouse type of area
Yeah! :-D For six months all of the offender's posts will be redirected to the blog site of He Who Shall Remain UnnamedTM.:rolleyes: (The oldtimers long-time members know Who I'm talking about...)
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Who owns the trademark?? you? :rolleyes:
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
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I don't think capping the post count would make much difference, quite frankly. As others have said, giving Platinum members the "kick" privilege (preferably into a "sin bin" for an escalating time period rather than for good. You could sell tickets to watch them sulking while they were in there) has real potential. Something does need to be done about the membership rating system though. The fact that a member can reach Gold just by hanging around and barely posting is testament to that. One of the things I've found works amazingly well on Yahoo Groups is the ability to selectively moderate posts by new members, or those who have been "stirring it a bit". On TS-UK we operate a default policy of keeping new members under moderation until they have a) posted more than 5 messages and b) been a posting member for at least a month. A similar policy in the Lounge could definitely work even here, as casual members rarely post anywhere other than the message boards associated with articles. I'd expect the number of messages which would come through for moderation in the Lounge would be far lower than you would expect. That more than anything else is what we find keeps the lid on things there. Very few messages get rejected, and very few members are on long term moderation.
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Are we to consider "Spam" then to mean more than it normally means and extend it to anything that annoys us? I don't click on it unless the person is selling something right now, maybe take them both out and make a single link that is clearer "This post does not belong here".
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Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
Bye, bye, John Simmons... :-D
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Right now I want to kick him out of the Vista forum where he's doing more harm than good.
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code-frog wrote:
I think this is a great idea but it should be reset every day. Banning shouldn't be permanent.
I agree completely. Think of it like penalties in hockey - a brief cool-off period for "unsportsmanlike conduct". Perhaps each ban could be twice the length of the previous one, starting at a simple one hour "timeout". The tenth ban would therefore mean 3 weeks in the penalty box. If you haven't figured it out after being banned 10 times, then the 11th, 12th + 13th should pretty much see you out for good!
code-frog wrote:
What I think would be really great is if you do get banned for the day any messages you posted that day don't count towards your message count at all. Getting banned results in an automatic subtraction of 10 messages from your total message count in your profile.
I'm not sure this is a great idea. There's something a little "1984" about messing with the post count like that...
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I like your penalty box idea. I think that 11, 12, 13 times for permanent ban is very lenient. leckey also mentioned a point system, kind of like with a driver's license.
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
Chris Maunder wrote: Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute I thought this was in place since last month?
The existing system (been in place for at least a year) is one vote per item per IP. What the change would add is X votes per minute total, eg you could only vote for 5 unique articles/messages per minute.
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dan neely wrote:
The existing system (been in place for at least a year) is one vote per item per IP.
No. The other day*, I tried to 'paint a thread red', seeing only a few posts didn't have 5s. I wasn't able to five every post. I got a message that said something like 'You voted too many times'. * Can't say when, but it was certainly between 1-6 months back.
Cheers, Vıkram.
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
Just how abused would this be?
I think the answer is obvious - consider what prompted your post in the first place.
Chris Maunder wrote:
I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster
Have you considered a two-track system? One for posters, one for authors.
Best wishes, Hans
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I don't think capping the post count would make much difference, quite frankly. As others have said, giving Platinum members the "kick" privilege (preferably into a "sin bin" for an escalating time period rather than for good. You could sell tickets to watch them sulking while they were in there) has real potential. Something does need to be done about the membership rating system though. The fact that a member can reach Gold just by hanging around and barely posting is testament to that. One of the things I've found works amazingly well on Yahoo Groups is the ability to selectively moderate posts by new members, or those who have been "stirring it a bit". On TS-UK we operate a default policy of keeping new members under moderation until they have a) posted more than 5 messages and b) been a posting member for at least a month. A similar policy in the Lounge could definitely work even here, as casual members rarely post anywhere other than the message boards associated with articles. I'd expect the number of messages which would come through for moderation in the Lounge would be far lower than you would expect. That more than anything else is what we find keeps the lid on things there. Very few messages get rejected, and very few members are on long term moderation.
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I think a probationary period for new members is an excellent idea.
Best wishes, Hans
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris Maunder wrote:
- I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam
Good.
Chris Maunder wrote:
- Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam
Good.
Chris Maunder wrote:
- Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day
Bad. How many posts have in all message boards, daily?
Chris Maunder wrote:
- Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages"
Bad.
Chris Maunder wrote:
1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be?
Bad. Great guys will be kicked without good reasons (by personal rants, by example)...
Chris Maunder wrote:
2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions?
The Gold/Silver status needs to change from "number of posts" OR "member years" to "number of posts" AND "member years". Note that the fast way of grow up in CP is flood posting the message boards. If you create something like: 1000 posts and 12 months 2500 posts and 24 months 5000 posts and 36 months : : It will be fixed (or minimized)
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I'm getting as tired as everyone else of the crap that is going on so I'm proposing the following changes: - I've increased the threshold for messages to disappear if marked as spam - Only silver and above members can mark messages as spam - Your IP address can only vote a limited number of times a minute and also a limited number of times a day - Once you hit 5,000 messages then your profile will simply say "over 5,000 messages" Two more thoughts: 1. I'm tempted to add a "Kick this person out of the lounge" button. It would only be accessible by Gold and above members. Just how abused would this be? 2. I will be replacing the Silver/Gold etc ranking with a ranking based on your participation as an author and as a poster. If you answer questions in the forums that are well received you increase your status; same with your posted articles. You post rubbish and you go down. The only problem with this is how we reward those members who are simply great to have around. The ones who have interesting stories, incitefulinsightful comments, are great moderators of the mood, and whose participation makes CodeProject what it is. Suggestions? -- modified at 10:20 Wednesday 18th July, 2007
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
How about having a person's community score posted next to their name. The score would be made up of the points they have received from people voting on their posts and articles. Articles would score higher than posts and the points received would relate to the points of the person giving the points. Let's say: I write a rubbish article and Christian Gauss votes it a 1. It's an article so i'm playing for high stakes so any result is multiplied by 10 Christian has a few points to his name so his scores are *5 He's voted me 2 below average I lose 100 points from my score. Or I write a cool post and someone newish marks it as 5 I play for low stakes so just 1 base point The voter is new so *1 I'm voted 2 above average I gain 2 points Maybe the lounge scores 1/2 c++ scores double or special 1 week offers to attract more posts in a certain forum. You would have to earn 100 points for example before you can vote on anyone else. This way people who turn up out of the blue and post a couple of awesome articles get promoted real quick. People who turn up and post crap have low points so can't effect other people's rankings. Maybe everyone gains X points per year of membership and bronze / silver / gold are awarded based on point ranges. Russ