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European telcos and ISPs do not have to hand over subscriber information to record labels.

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  • R Red Stateler

    Brady Kelly wrote:

    Would that be the one founded by the Rothschilds?

    It is kind of interesting that for all their socialist mumbo jumbo, Europeans have a far lower turnover rate among the wealthy than the United States (i.e. wealth is far less excessible to those that don't yet have it).

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    Yes, but since when was socialism supposed to aid wealth, for anyone?

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      Yes, but since when was socialism supposed to aid wealth, for anyone?

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      Brady Kelly wrote:

      Yes, but since when was socialism supposed to aid wealth, for anyone?

      It isn't (in theory), but it certainly seems to entrench the elite.

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      • H hairy_hats

        If their customers don't put pressure on them what is the incentive to price the goods at a sensible level?  Despite all their bleating about lost revenue the recording industry just keeps earning more and more.

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        Steve_Harris wrote:

        If their customers don't put pressure on them what is the incentive to price the goods at a sensible level?

        How about competition? If music pricing is so "insensible"*, then obviously there is a business opportunity to create and publish "sensibly priced" music. *How can you justify that supposed "insensibility" of music prices when people actually buy it?

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          Steve_Harris wrote:

          If their customers don't put pressure on them what is the incentive to price the goods at a sensible level?

          How about competition? If music pricing is so "insensible"*, then obviously there is a business opportunity to create and publish "sensibly priced" music. *How can you justify that supposed "insensibility" of music prices when people actually buy it?

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          How about competition?  While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

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          • R Red Stateler

            Brady Kelly wrote:

            Yes, but since when was socialism supposed to aid wealth, for anyone?

            It isn't (in theory), but it certainly seems to entrench the elite.

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            Stan Shannon
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            Socialism is sort of like Fuedalism 2.0: A permanent peasant underclass serving a permanent ruling class. Thats probably why the Europeans are so comfortable with it.

            Pardon Libby!

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              How about competition?  While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

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              Steve_Harris wrote:

              How about competition? While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

              They are not a monopoly, so your characterization is wrong. While you might not own the rights to the Spice Girls (or the Louis Vuitton logo or the Mercedes logo or Google), you could certainly fund a new band called the Zest Girls and compete with other record labels on price and "quality". And here's a newsflash...ANY company in any industry (almost) can charge whetever they like for whetever product they sell. However, you're not forced to buy it (hence the parallels between capitalism and freedom). I'm sure you can live without Pink's latest album if you think the price is too high. I certainly can.

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                How about competition?  While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

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                Steve_Harris wrote:

                While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

                So the problem is with government after all. Thought as much. So maybe if the government did not have so much regulatory power, competition would be much more viable.

                Pardon Libby!

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                  Steve_Harris wrote:

                  How about competition? While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

                  They are not a monopoly, so your characterization is wrong. While you might not own the rights to the Spice Girls (or the Louis Vuitton logo or the Mercedes logo or Google), you could certainly fund a new band called the Zest Girls and compete with other record labels on price and "quality". And here's a newsflash...ANY company in any industry (almost) can charge whetever they like for whetever product they sell. However, you're not forced to buy it (hence the parallels between capitalism and freedom). I'm sure you can live without Pink's latest album if you think the price is too high. I certainly can.

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                  Red Stateler wrote:

                  I'm sure you can live without Pink's latest album

                  I certainly can, even if they were paying people to take it away.

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                    Steve_Harris wrote:

                    While the RIAA are squeezing the nuts of the US government their interests are protected and they can charge what they like for the DRMed CDs of their latest plastic photocopy band.

                    So the problem is with government after all. Thought as much. So maybe if the government did not have so much regulatory power, competition would be much more viable.

                    Pardon Libby!

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                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                    So the problem is with government after all.

                    Yes.  If they weren't corruptly in the hands of big business then there might be a level playing field in the market.

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                    • H hairy_hats

                      Stan Shannon wrote:

                      So the problem is with government after all.

                      Yes.  If they weren't corruptly in the hands of big business then there might be a level playing field in the market.

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                      Steve_Harris wrote:

                      If they weren't corruptly in the hands of big business then there might be a level playing field in the market.

                      Can you elaborate as to how you think the playing field is not "level"?

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                      • R Red Stateler

                        digital man wrote:

                        if they don't earn money what is the incentive to produce the goods?

                        If stealing from record companies translates into less Justin Timberlake, then I'm all for it.

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                        R Giskard Reventlov
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                        Ah: good point. :)

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                        • O oilFactotum

                          originSH wrote:

                          But mix tapes, that favorite tv series you recorded on your vcr last night and other such things are also illegal but generally accepted.

                          I don't believe that it is illegal[^]

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                          I don't belive everyone lives in the USA.

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                            I don't belive everyone lives in the USA.

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                            originSH wrote:

                            I don't belive everyone lives in the USA.

                            Everyone who matters does!

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                            • R Red Stateler

                              originSH wrote:

                              I don't belive everyone lives in the USA.

                              Everyone who matters does!

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                              originSH
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                              :P

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                              • R Red Stateler

                                originSH wrote:

                                I don't belive everyone lives in the USA.

                                Everyone who matters does!

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                                David Wulff
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                                And thank God for that!


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