Acer boss says Vista 'disappointing'
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http://www.techworld.com/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9579[^] "Despite the long wait between Windows XP and Vista, the latest operating system still lacks maturity, he said. Stability is certainly a problem," he said. Shocking news, this just in: New Operating Systems arn't mature! Between obvious statements like this and proclamations that it's the new ME I've quit reading most Vista news articles now. Yeah it was late, yeah it has lots of stuff cut out, yeah it's selling well and yeah I expect just like XP as it improves, lots of people will conveniently forget what they said and migrate. It's as bad as when game developers moved from c to c++ ... ohnoes! your objects will eat all the perforamnce and you'll go to hell.
originSH wrote:
It's as bad as when game developers moved from c to c++ ... ohnoes! your objects will eat all the perforamnce and you'll go to hell.
Well, that only undeniably happened when they went from C/C++ to C# :rolleyes:
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Acer boss says Vista 'disappointing'[^] "The head of Taiwan-based personal computer maker Acer, Gianfranco Lanci, hit out at Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system, saying that the "entire industry" was disappointed by it" Ouch. He seems to be talking specifically in terms of what it's done (or not done) for PC sales.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Hmm - I bought an Acer specifically to run Vista and both are getting along swimmingly. Still, that's just one sale...not much in the grand scheme of things...
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originSH wrote:
It's as bad as when game developers moved from c to c++ ... ohnoes! your objects will eat all the perforamnce and you'll go to hell.
Well, that only undeniably happened when they went from C/C++ to C# :rolleyes:
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http://www.techworld.com/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9579[^] "Despite the long wait between Windows XP and Vista, the latest operating system still lacks maturity, he said. Stability is certainly a problem," he said. Shocking news, this just in: New Operating Systems arn't mature! Between obvious statements like this and proclamations that it's the new ME I've quit reading most Vista news articles now. Yeah it was late, yeah it has lots of stuff cut out, yeah it's selling well and yeah I expect just like XP as it improves, lots of people will conveniently forget what they said and migrate. It's as bad as when game developers moved from c to c++ ... ohnoes! your objects will eat all the perforamnce and you'll go to hell.
Crap, I accidently voted you a one... undo undo!!! I totally agree with you though. Whoops, supposed to be under origin
-Matt Newman
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I'd have to agree with him, in that Vista is a piece. I ordered a Dell Precision m90(should be here today!), and the primary reason for it's purchace is that I have a new dell(2 months old) with Vista installed, and It's barely usable. I'll wait til service pack 1 rolls out, and read the reviews, and then I may upgrade.
I get all the news I need from the weather report.
Justin Perez wrote:
I'd have to agree with him, in that Vista is a piece. I ordered a Dell Precision m90(should be here today!), and the primary reason for it's purchace is that I have a new dell(2 months old) with Vista installed, and It's barely usable. I'll wait til service pack 1 rolls out, and read the reviews, and then I may upgrade.
SP1 isn't gonna fix crappy hardware or drivers. I think alot of people are going to be upset to find alot of their problems go away in SP1. People need to start pushing the hardware companies when their drivers suck.
-Matt Newman
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Acer boss says Vista 'disappointing'[^] "The head of Taiwan-based personal computer maker Acer, Gianfranco Lanci, hit out at Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system, saying that the "entire industry" was disappointed by it" Ouch. He seems to be talking specifically in terms of what it's done (or not done) for PC sales.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
"Never before had a new version of Windows done so little to boost PC sales." (my emphasis) I think these days, anyone who can afford a PC already has one. Windows Vista was never going to widen the market. Similarly, PCs out in the market are generally powerful enough to run Windows XP and users' workloads with no trouble - my parents are still running a five-and-a-half year old Pentium 4 1.5GHz with 512MB of RAM and it's not struggling at all (it was, but we replaced Norton Internet 'Security' with AVG and suddenly it's a lot faster...) On virtually any system, the processor is idle for 99.99% of the time - since I booted my PC this morning, there's been 10 hours of idle time (I have an HT processor so it's counted twice), IE has used 8 minutes, and Visual Studio 2005 less than 90 seconds. The component these days that limits most users' productivity is the hard disk, and that's the one that's no faster than it was five years ago (disk head seek times are approximately the same - on one reasonably-new machine I noted that actually the average seek time was slower than on a box we bought six years ago). So you're really only looking at replacement systems and enthusiasts. Frankly their expectations were pretty unrealistic.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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"Never before had a new version of Windows done so little to boost PC sales." (my emphasis) I think these days, anyone who can afford a PC already has one. Windows Vista was never going to widen the market. Similarly, PCs out in the market are generally powerful enough to run Windows XP and users' workloads with no trouble - my parents are still running a five-and-a-half year old Pentium 4 1.5GHz with 512MB of RAM and it's not struggling at all (it was, but we replaced Norton Internet 'Security' with AVG and suddenly it's a lot faster...) On virtually any system, the processor is idle for 99.99% of the time - since I booted my PC this morning, there's been 10 hours of idle time (I have an HT processor so it's counted twice), IE has used 8 minutes, and Visual Studio 2005 less than 90 seconds. The component these days that limits most users' productivity is the hard disk, and that's the one that's no faster than it was five years ago (disk head seek times are approximately the same - on one reasonably-new machine I noted that actually the average seek time was slower than on a box we bought six years ago). So you're really only looking at replacement systems and enthusiasts. Frankly their expectations were pretty unrealistic.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Absolutely, the last must have OS upgrade really was 2k. Arguably XP could be as well, it didn't add all that much but 2k was never officially pushed over ME as a consumer platform. The closest thing to a must upgrade now is when your old version ages out of the security fix queue, and that's a number of years after the replacement is first issued.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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"Never before had a new version of Windows done so little to boost PC sales." (my emphasis) I think these days, anyone who can afford a PC already has one. Windows Vista was never going to widen the market. Similarly, PCs out in the market are generally powerful enough to run Windows XP and users' workloads with no trouble - my parents are still running a five-and-a-half year old Pentium 4 1.5GHz with 512MB of RAM and it's not struggling at all (it was, but we replaced Norton Internet 'Security' with AVG and suddenly it's a lot faster...) On virtually any system, the processor is idle for 99.99% of the time - since I booted my PC this morning, there's been 10 hours of idle time (I have an HT processor so it's counted twice), IE has used 8 minutes, and Visual Studio 2005 less than 90 seconds. The component these days that limits most users' productivity is the hard disk, and that's the one that's no faster than it was five years ago (disk head seek times are approximately the same - on one reasonably-new machine I noted that actually the average seek time was slower than on a box we bought six years ago). So you're really only looking at replacement systems and enthusiasts. Frankly their expectations were pretty unrealistic.
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
Mike Dimmick wrote:
...IE has used 8 minutes, and Visual Studio 2005 less than 90 seconds
I don't think I would advertise that to your boss ;)
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Mike Dimmick wrote:
...IE has used 8 minutes, and Visual Studio 2005 less than 90 seconds
I don't think I would advertise that to your boss ;)
I'm blaming animated ads. Must get round to some kind of ad blocking. VS2005 doesn't actually benefit that much from a faster processor. It spends a lot of the interminable waits retrieving data from main memory (which gets counted as CPU time) and from disk (which doesn't).
Stability. What an interesting concept. -- Chris Maunder
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Justin Perez wrote:
I'd have to agree with him, in that Vista is a piece. I ordered a Dell Precision m90(should be here today!), and the primary reason for it's purchace is that I have a new dell(2 months old) with Vista installed, and It's barely usable. I'll wait til service pack 1 rolls out, and read the reviews, and then I may upgrade.
SP1 isn't gonna fix crappy hardware or drivers. I think alot of people are going to be upset to find alot of their problems go away in SP1. People need to start pushing the hardware companies when their drivers suck.
-Matt Newman
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I'd have to agree with him, in that Vista is a piece. I ordered a Dell Precision m90(should be here today!), and the primary reason for it's purchace is that I have a new dell(2 months old) with Vista installed, and It's barely usable. I'll wait til service pack 1 rolls out, and read the reviews, and then I may upgrade.
I get all the news I need from the weather report.
I think some of the systems are sold way under spec of Vista or they have hardware that is marginal at best for compatiblity with Vista. I have been using Vista (along with others) since RC versions and would not think of running any prior version (such as XP) again. There are way too many nice new little features added that more than makes up for any negatives when ran on decent compatible hardware. Every week though, I see ads from major computer companies putting Vista on machines with built in video cards (will work, but not the best experience) and 512 megs of RAM. While the systems function, the default install of Vista will eat that for launch and act like a 1,000 lbs slug. The least they could do is to turn off the memory hungry gadget bar if they are going to use such a system. The video cards (mentioned above) is one of the most common errors I have noticed in the lower to medium end machines they are pumping out with Vista. I have a system that has the video built in and it can be real sluggish if I were to use that video option (have a decent video card that I use though so I do not have to use the built in one). Drivers are one of the biggest programs for some and one that for many will never be resovled because the hardware is aged.
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Acer boss says Vista 'disappointing'[^] "The head of Taiwan-based personal computer maker Acer, Gianfranco Lanci, hit out at Microsoft's Windows Vista operating system, saying that the "entire industry" was disappointed by it" Ouch. He seems to be talking specifically in terms of what it's done (or not done) for PC sales.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP