Religion
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Possible questions that you may want to ask yourself:
- Do you believe the religion you are studying/following is truly from your creator, and if so does the original message remain unchanged
- Does the religion you are studying/following call to the worship of other than the Creator
- What proof/sign/evidence do you have that it is true
Things that should NOT be a criteria:
- There is no contradiction between the religion in question and your current lifestyle
- It provides you total seclusion from the materialistic world (often times people in the West choose this route not out of sincere conviction of what they are following is ‘true’, rather it provides them an escape from materialism)
- It is what your parents followed
Surah AlFurqan(Ayah 1-34) Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video)
This assumes that there is a Creator and he is a person and that he has sent a message and that we need to worship it. True Religion, IMHO, is search for truth and happiness including the possibility that there is no Creator.
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Possible questions that you may want to ask yourself:
- Do you believe the religion you are studying/following is truly from your creator, and if so does the original message remain unchanged
- Does the religion you are studying/following call to the worship of other than the Creator
- What proof/sign/evidence do you have that it is true
Things that should NOT be a criteria:
- There is no contradiction between the religion in question and your current lifestyle
- It provides you total seclusion from the materialistic world (often times people in the West choose this route not out of sincere conviction of what they are following is ‘true’, rather it provides them an escape from materialism)
- It is what your parents followed
Surah AlFurqan(Ayah 1-34) Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video)
Thank goodness, I have asked myself the possible questions and am secure in my lack of any religion. I am relieved that I have made the right choice :D
"Your typical day is full of moments where you ask for a cup of coffee and someone hands you a bag of nails." - Scott Adams
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I just visited the soapbox for the first time today & I think its the right place to get some feedback on a question that has often troubled me: I am not a religious man, but when selecting a religion to follow, how do you choose which one is the 'right' one? They seem to be largely mutually exclusive & generally threaten dire punishment for anyone caught following a 'false' one. I would be worried that I had picked badly & despite all my hard work was only making things worse in worshipping a false idol. Is this the sort of issue that religious types wrestle with often, or do most people just take a hope-for-the-best attitude? :confused: Any comments gratefully appreciated...
Everyone says you are trolling, but I think it was a perfectly good question as questions go. Of course, once a religious person starts asking themselves that kind of question they are probably near to becoming a non-religious person. People follow the religion they believe is true - they don't actually need to worry about your question because they "know" that they have the correct answer. They wouldn't be following it otherwise. However, this question along with many others considered when I was a teenager caused me to discard Christianity. I think it is only a coincidence, but it amuses me that about the same time I stopped considering myself Christian was about the same time I emerged from my most bad time of my life. (you know, the ages 9 to 20, I was rather miserable) I'm still pissed off now actually that all my praying and church did not help me in that time. I think the recommendation of serious counselling or drugs may have been better advice. If God exists, I am angry at him. Didn't he say he'd help? Apparently not. Yeah, I didn't mean to write that last half, but it sort of just came out. I think I'll leave it. Some people feel they have good reason to not be Christian, just as some people feel they have good reason to not be Christian. People seldom acknowledge this.
"Your typical day is full of moments where you ask for a cup of coffee and someone hands you a bag of nails." - Scott Adams
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Mark Salsbery wrote:
The Mormons that insist on dropping by (often) to chat with me seem to be the most convinced they have the right religion...
Yeah, I've chatted to them. Iwas quite drunk at the time but they seemed very enthusiastic. I liked the fact they didn't believe in hell. The worst that could happen was that you wouldn't be able to hang with god if you didn't get to a respectable level of righteousness.
Cheers Tom Philosophy: The art of never getting beyond the concept of life.
Religion: Morality taking credit for the work of luck.Yeah, I also like the no belief in hell of the Jehova's Witnesses, my dad being one has provided some insights.
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Now this is one of the best forms of trolling I have seen in awhile. Good job, I am sure string and Red will have much to say.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Hmmm, I guess I would be flattered, except I had a real interest in the answer. You see, I posted in a genuine attempt to better understand my fellow man. I do understand that religion, like politics, it is often a sensitive subject to broach. I tried to phrase my question in a candid & non-inflammatory manner in the hope of getting some genuine responses & insight into the thinking of my peers. As I explained, I am not religious myself & from reading the message boards am aware that Code Project has an active community of vocal members, many of whom I would consider my intellectual equals. I would value input from anyone's perspective on this issue, I'm pretty broad minded. I am not trying to judge people here, more understand the emotional & intellectual decisions that shape peoples lives...
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Possible questions that you may want to ask yourself:
- Do you believe the religion you are studying/following is truly from your creator, and if so does the original message remain unchanged
- Does the religion you are studying/following call to the worship of other than the Creator
- What proof/sign/evidence do you have that it is true
Things that should NOT be a criteria:
- There is no contradiction between the religion in question and your current lifestyle
- It provides you total seclusion from the materialistic world (often times people in the West choose this route not out of sincere conviction of what they are following is ‘true’, rather it provides them an escape from materialism)
- It is what your parents followed
Surah AlFurqan(Ayah 1-34) Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video)
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I just visited the soapbox for the first time today & I think its the right place to get some feedback on a question that has often troubled me: I am not a religious man, but when selecting a religion to follow, how do you choose which one is the 'right' one? They seem to be largely mutually exclusive & generally threaten dire punishment for anyone caught following a 'false' one. I would be worried that I had picked badly & despite all my hard work was only making things worse in worshipping a false idol. Is this the sort of issue that religious types wrestle with often, or do most people just take a hope-for-the-best attitude? :confused: Any comments gratefully appreciated...
Most of the time you don't choose. Your parents do, as their parents did for them. In that sense, religion is like a hereditary disease. I'm not religious myself, which should be quite obvious. :)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Become a pagan. They are reputed to have had the wildest orgies.:-D
Atheists have the best sex. :)
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Become a pagan. They are reputed to have had the wildest orgies.:-D
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Possible questions that you may want to ask yourself:
- Do you believe the religion you are studying/following is truly from your creator, and if so does the original message remain unchanged
- Does the religion you are studying/following call to the worship of other than the Creator
- What proof/sign/evidence do you have that it is true
Things that should NOT be a criteria:
- There is no contradiction between the religion in question and your current lifestyle
- It provides you total seclusion from the materialistic world (often times people in the West choose this route not out of sincere conviction of what they are following is ‘true’, rather it provides them an escape from materialism)
- It is what your parents followed
Surah AlFurqan(Ayah 1-34) Who is the creator? Finding Allah (Video)
A.A. wrote:
It provides you total seclusion from the materialistic world (often times people in the West choose this route not out of sincere conviction of what they are following is ‘true’, rather it provides them an escape from materialism)
Corollary to that would be: The religion you choose should not require you to collect your reward in the afterlife. That would eliminate the Raghead Religion, if you know what I man and I think you do.:laugh:
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Hmmm, I guess I would be flattered, except I had a real interest in the answer. You see, I posted in a genuine attempt to better understand my fellow man. I do understand that religion, like politics, it is often a sensitive subject to broach. I tried to phrase my question in a candid & non-inflammatory manner in the hope of getting some genuine responses & insight into the thinking of my peers. As I explained, I am not religious myself & from reading the message boards am aware that Code Project has an active community of vocal members, many of whom I would consider my intellectual equals. I would value input from anyone's perspective on this issue, I'm pretty broad minded. I am not trying to judge people here, more understand the emotional & intellectual decisions that shape peoples lives...
ewasjdgb wrote:
I had a real interest in the answer
Maybe so but I do find it strange that the only other post you replied to was about pagan orgies.
ewasjdgb wrote:
I would value input from anyone's perspective on this issue
Then why didn't you going into a conversation with snorkie about scientology? If you truly wanted to 'better understand your fellow man', you would have put effort into it. At the time of this posting you had only answered A.A., snorkie and I.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
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ewasjdgb wrote:
I had a real interest in the answer
Maybe so but I do find it strange that the only other post you replied to was about pagan orgies.
ewasjdgb wrote:
I would value input from anyone's perspective on this issue
Then why didn't you going into a conversation with snorkie about scientology? If you truly wanted to 'better understand your fellow man', you would have put effort into it. At the time of this posting you had only answered A.A., snorkie and I.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going
Its hard to tell from text, but I was pretty sure snorkie was kidding - I ignored most of the joke answers, but responded to one just to be friendly, I guess. I did include the joke icon to indicate as such. If snorkie was serious, I would have expected some mention of what led snorkie to become a Scientologist and what prompted the feelings of faith that it engenders. As no effort was made to address any of the questions I posited, just a link posted to a quasi-religion invented by a Sci-Fi author, it seemed like a safe bet that it wasn't meant to be serious. You probably know snorkie better than I & if you believe that snorkie was actually trying to enlighten me, then I will persevere with trying to engage in discussion. The only sensible answers I got seemed to be from A.A. & Joergen Sigvardsson (edit - my mistake it's standgale, Joergen). I replied to A.A.: "... the most sincere, well thought out reply I have got so far. Thanks!". That was because A.A. was clearly trying to help out with the topic of the original post. I will eventually get around to replying to Joergen (edit - standgale, not Joergen), but as neither of us 'has' religion I wasn't convinced of the value in discussing our similar beliefs. I replied to you as you were the first person to respond & I wanted to reassure you & anyone else reading the thread that this was a genuine RFC - but really, believe what you like, I don't mind if you don't contribute anything useful to the discussion :) -- modified at 10:47 Wednesday 25th July, 2007
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I just visited the soapbox for the first time today & I think its the right place to get some feedback on a question that has often troubled me: I am not a religious man, but when selecting a religion to follow, how do you choose which one is the 'right' one? They seem to be largely mutually exclusive & generally threaten dire punishment for anyone caught following a 'false' one. I would be worried that I had picked badly & despite all my hard work was only making things worse in worshipping a false idol. Is this the sort of issue that religious types wrestle with often, or do most people just take a hope-for-the-best attitude? :confused: Any comments gratefully appreciated...
Why are you people so insecure in your beliefs that you call this question trolling rather than answer it? It is an obvious question that anyone who is honest to themselves about their beliefs should have already asked. As I see it, the answer is fairly obvious. Do not choose based on threats, and do not believe anything a religion says unless it is backed up with objective evidence. Research every claim with the intent of destroying it, and provisionally believe that which stands up to such scrutiny.
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Its hard to tell from text, but I was pretty sure snorkie was kidding - I ignored most of the joke answers, but responded to one just to be friendly, I guess. I did include the joke icon to indicate as such. If snorkie was serious, I would have expected some mention of what led snorkie to become a Scientologist and what prompted the feelings of faith that it engenders. As no effort was made to address any of the questions I posited, just a link posted to a quasi-religion invented by a Sci-Fi author, it seemed like a safe bet that it wasn't meant to be serious. You probably know snorkie better than I & if you believe that snorkie was actually trying to enlighten me, then I will persevere with trying to engage in discussion. The only sensible answers I got seemed to be from A.A. & Joergen Sigvardsson (edit - my mistake it's standgale, Joergen). I replied to A.A.: "... the most sincere, well thought out reply I have got so far. Thanks!". That was because A.A. was clearly trying to help out with the topic of the original post. I will eventually get around to replying to Joergen (edit - standgale, not Joergen), but as neither of us 'has' religion I wasn't convinced of the value in discussing our similar beliefs. I replied to you as you were the first person to respond & I wanted to reassure you & anyone else reading the thread that this was a genuine RFC - but really, believe what you like, I don't mind if you don't contribute anything useful to the discussion :) -- modified at 10:47 Wednesday 25th July, 2007
Then forgive me for thinking that you were trying to troll much like string"" does. I hope that you have found some helpful points. In the end I hope that I had not offended you and I will answer you in the future as a legitimate poster.
God Bless, Jason
Paul Conrad wrote:
Chuck Norris keeps the hamsters going whenever Chris is gone on vacation. Just stares them down and they keep the servers going