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    tonymathewt
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    Suppose I am using an anti-virus/firewall that doesn't have a window service unlike Norton then, obviously the application will not come up unless a user logs in. Is there any virus/hack threat during this time. I am not sure what the window service of Norton does but it is there up before the application comes up. I am sure that the shared folders/drives are accessible across a network even when not logged in. But can virus or hackers do any thing in such a scenario.

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      Suppose I am using an anti-virus/firewall that doesn't have a window service unlike Norton then, obviously the application will not come up unless a user logs in. Is there any virus/hack threat during this time. I am not sure what the window service of Norton does but it is there up before the application comes up. I am sure that the shared folders/drives are accessible across a network even when not logged in. But can virus or hackers do any thing in such a scenario.

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      When the machine is running but not logged in, assuming the network connection is available (ie. the connection isn't initiated at login like some wireless connections are), then the machine can be targeted by remote exploitation attacks against any process which is running and in which a vulnerability can be found. A firewall which is only running when the user is logged in is a very bad idea - I must admit I don't know of any that only run when there is a logged on user, however.

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        When the machine is running but not logged in, assuming the network connection is available (ie. the connection isn't initiated at login like some wireless connections are), then the machine can be targeted by remote exploitation attacks against any process which is running and in which a vulnerability can be found. A firewall which is only running when the user is logged in is a very bad idea - I must admit I don't know of any that only run when there is a logged on user, however.

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        Check out in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run whether any Antivirus Serivces are put in or not. If they are there then they run irrespective of the user logged in or not.


        There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating-people who know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing. Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Regards... Shouvik

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          When the machine is running but not logged in, assuming the network connection is available (ie. the connection isn't initiated at login like some wireless connections are), then the machine can be targeted by remote exploitation attacks against any process which is running and in which a vulnerability can be found. A firewall which is only running when the user is logged in is a very bad idea - I must admit I don't know of any that only run when there is a logged on user, however.

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          Dan Neely
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          One originally written for win9x perhaps?

          -- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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            Check out in HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run whether any Antivirus Serivces are put in or not. If they are there then they run irrespective of the user logged in or not.


            There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating-people who know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing. Oscar Wilde (1854-1900) Regards... Shouvik

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            Craster
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            Applications in that key run at login time, not at boot time. If you boot the machine and do not log in, nothing in that key will run. As I also said, any AV or Firewall apps that do run at logon time are idiotic.

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              One originally written for win9x perhaps?

              -- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer

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              True - but then you'd hope that they would have updated them to run outside of a user context for later OSs.

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                Applications in that key run at login time, not at boot time. If you boot the machine and do not log in, nothing in that key will run. As I also said, any AV or Firewall apps that do run at logon time are idiotic.

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                Craster wrote:

                If you boot the machine and do not log in, nothing in that key will run.

                This is the situation I have my doubt. How can I make sure that the AV/Firewall is protecting my PC during this vulnerable time?

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                  True - but then you'd hope that they would have updated them to run outside of a user context for later OSs.

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                  How can I make sure that the AV/Firewall is protecting my PC during the time no one is logged in?

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                    How can I make sure that the AV/Firewall is protecting my PC during the time no one is logged in?

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                    1. Log Off 2. Run port scan from another machine. 3. log On 4. Check Firewall Logs for activity.

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