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  • realJSOPR realJSOP

    Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

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    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

    I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again.

    But in the meantime, you can still remain friends.

    Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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    • realJSOPR realJSOP

      Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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      It may be that one of the inteviewers customers loves Vista and he has already made the promise "yes, the current version of the system runs on Vista without any issues" and really needs you to make that true. (Personally I do develop on Vista and there are some small niggles but now I find it isn't as bad as I first did)

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        It may be that one of the inteviewers customers loves Vista and he has already made the promise "yes, the current version of the system runs on Vista without any issues" and really needs you to make that true. (Personally I do develop on Vista and there are some small niggles but now I find it isn't as bad as I first did)

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        Duncan Edwards Jones wrote:

        (Personally I do develop on Vista and there are some small niggles but now I find it isn't as bad as I first did)

        The only issue I find very annoying is that, since VS must run as administrator, you cannot double-click on .cs (or whatever) files and open them in VS. Drag-and-drop doesn't work neither. :sigh:

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          It may be that one of the inteviewers customers loves Vista and he has already made the promise "yes, the current version of the system runs on Vista without any issues" and really needs you to make that true. (Personally I do develop on Vista and there are some small niggles but now I find it isn't as bad as I first did)

          '--8<------------------------ Ex Datis: Duncan Jones Merrion Computing Ltd

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          The biggest problem I found with Vista was it had problems with my old wireless router - there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

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            The biggest problem I found with Vista was it had problems with my old wireless router - there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

            Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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            Pete O`Hanlon wrote:

            there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

            Yesterday I wanted to throw router, PC, and USB Wi-Fi adapter through the window. No way to make them work with WPA or WPA2, both on XP and Vista.

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              Pete O`Hanlon wrote:

              there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

              Yesterday I wanted to throw router, PC, and USB Wi-Fi adapter through the window. No way to make them work with WPA or WPA2, both on XP and Vista.

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              Ooh harsh. I had WPA working on a couple of XP boxes, but it just wouldn't work with Vista. Lots of googling later and I found that lots of other people where having this problem. I bought a cheapo Netgear router, and it works happily with Vista on WPA2. It sounds as though the problem is more likely with your Wi-Fi adapter than the router.

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                Ooh harsh. I had WPA working on a couple of XP boxes, but it just wouldn't work with Vista. Lots of googling later and I found that lots of other people where having this problem. I bought a cheapo Netgear router, and it works happily with Vista on WPA2. It sounds as though the problem is more likely with your Wi-Fi adapter than the router.

                Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                Pete O`Hanlon wrote:

                It sounds as though the problem is more likely with your Wi-Fi adapter than the router.

                I don't know, I had several problems with the router (ZyXEL 660HW). Anyway, I managed to use a wired connection for this time. Ahhh! Plain old copper! :-D

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                  The biggest problem I found with Vista was it had problems with my old wireless router - there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

                  Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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                  There's a known issue with Vista connecting to a router with a hidden SSID - it seems to take a long time, but once connected, it's fine. My Vista desktop can take 30 minutes to "find" the wireless router. I know it's not the router because a laptop with XP connects in about 2 seconds, every time, and the desktop connected just fine before being rebuilt as a Vista machine.

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                    I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again.

                    I had a painful Vista experience 2 nights ago when it decided to reboot during an installation - that too VS Orcas beta.[^] Fortunately, the incomplete installation didn't mess anything up and I was able to re-install later.

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                    • G Graham Bradshaw

                      There's a known issue with Vista connecting to a router with a hidden SSID - it seems to take a long time, but once connected, it's fine. My Vista desktop can take 30 minutes to "find" the wireless router. I know it's not the router because a laptop with XP connects in about 2 seconds, every time, and the desktop connected just fine before being rebuilt as a Vista machine.

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                      That's ridiculous.


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                      • G Graham Bradshaw

                        There's a known issue with Vista connecting to a router with a hidden SSID - it seems to take a long time, but once connected, it's fine. My Vista desktop can take 30 minutes to "find" the wireless router. I know it's not the router because a laptop with XP connects in about 2 seconds, every time, and the desktop connected just fine before being rebuilt as a Vista machine.

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                        Not broadcasting the ESSID is pretty pointless as when there is an associated computer (Mobile Unit in 802.11 parlance), the MU and the base station (Access Point, or AP) both send the ESSID in clear in every message.

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                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                          Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                          "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                          Your posts about interviewing and a recent round of my own prompted me to put this together yesterday: Giving and Taking an Interview[^]. I find it amazing the haphazard way in which many employers approach the interview process. The fact that one of your interviewers loves Vista has nothing whatsoever do with the interview: it should not have been rasied except if you were expected to work with or develop for Vista.

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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            Ironically that's one of the questions we tend to ask of companies who are looking for assistance with user interfaces for their products - the reasoning being that even if they have no immediate plans to support Vista, they really should be aware of the potential implications of a new operating system release on their product. Plans change, after all...:doh:

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                            • realJSOPR realJSOP

                              Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview. I happened to get a question that everyone here might be interested in and that (for some abstract reason) I was not really expecting: "Have you ever written an application on a machine running Vista?" I related my own personal experience with Vista, but added that I was aware that Vista was unfriendly to those who liked to skirt around Microsoft's intended use of the OS from a developer standpoint. I also mentioned that Vista required that VS2005 be run as administrator to avoid some issues. They seemed to be happy with my response. It turns out one of the interviewers loves Vista. I told him that I'd like to love it myself, but that Vista wasn't interested in the same kind of relationship, so I was waiting for the service pack to come out before I tried again. :)

                              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                              -----
                              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                              John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                              Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview.

                              Practices like this will make you better at interviews. As a consultant, I interview more often than FT employees. As a result, I feel that I am well above average at interviews. My track record on interviews supports my findings.

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                                Pete O`Hanlon wrote:

                                It sounds as though the problem is more likely with your Wi-Fi adapter than the router.

                                I don't know, I had several problems with the router (ZyXEL 660HW). Anyway, I managed to use a wired connection for this time. Ahhh! Plain old copper! :-D

                                If you truly believe you need to pick a mobile phone that "says something" about your personality, don't bother. You don't have a personality. A mental illness, maybe - but not a personality. - Charlie Brooker My Blog - My Photos - ScrewTurn Wiki

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                                Plain old copper was the way I managed to connect through the old router. You're right - you need a new router.

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                                  That's ridiculous.


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                                  Bradml wrote:

                                  That's ridiculous.

                                  No, that's VISTA!

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                                    The biggest problem I found with Vista was it had problems with my old wireless router - there seems to be a bug with the WPA-PSK implementation. A new router and WPA-PSK2, and I'm happy with it.

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                                    Vista isn't WPA friendly?? Well that sucks, even PCLinuxOS is WPA friendly. No this isn't a post praising Linux so no flameage required, I'm a Windows man I just find it odd that a Linux distro is more WPA friendly than is a version of Windows

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                                      Your posts about interviewing and a recent round of my own prompted me to put this together yesterday: Giving and Taking an Interview[^]. I find it amazing the haphazard way in which many employers approach the interview process. The fact that one of your interviewers loves Vista has nothing whatsoever do with the interview: it should not have been rasied except if you were expected to work with or develop for Vista.

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                                      digital man wrote:

                                      The fact that one of your interviewers loves Vista has nothing whatsoever do with the interview: it should not have been rasied except if you were expected to work with or develop for Vista.

                                      There were two interviewers, and the one that apparently loves Vista posed the question, and the other interviewer offered the info that the first guy loves Vista. The question was aimed at developing desktop apps on Vista, and while he didn't say as much, I assumed that it was with VS2005 and writing .net apps on the desktop.

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                                        John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

                                        Like most people going through the interview process, I replay the interview in my mind for several days after the actual interview.

                                        Practices like this will make you better at interviews. As a consultant, I interview more often than FT employees. As a result, I feel that I am well above average at interviews. My track record on interviews supports my findings.

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                                        I've only be rejected one time (because I couldn't remember the exact name of a Windows API function). I also flatly rejected a company who was writing software to backup data over the internet. Since I would never personally use such a service, I assumed that not many other people would either. I would have earned a 6-figure salary too, and I told them I thought their idea was stupid. :)

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                                        • realJSOPR realJSOP

                                          I've only be rejected one time (because I couldn't remember the exact name of a Windows API function). I also flatly rejected a company who was writing software to backup data over the internet. Since I would never personally use such a service, I assumed that not many other people would either. I would have earned a 6-figure salary too, and I told them I thought their idea was stupid. :)

                                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                                          Many years later, a young businessman named Bill Gates got over John's snub.

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