The fundamental question
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Ahh, the pay vs. benefits question. Fundamentally, this is actually "what the hell do I want to do with my life". I have a related blog post on this, but it really boils down to "what the heck am I doing with the my time and how much money do I need to do it". It all bears down to: 1. Am I making enough money 2. Am I doing what I enjoy Money can't buy happiness, but starvation can't buy it either. Do what you love doing as much as possible. If the job isn't what you love, then make sure that you're making enough money to spend the rest of your time doing what you love. My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2). If my salary were too low, I'd be annoyed. But having to pick between these and a 2k pay raise, the lunch room wins :)
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What if it was an extra 20k?
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Sorry, as mentioned above, this was supposed to be a reply not it's own thread. 20k would definitely push me towards a new company, but it's highly unlikely that I would be able to make an extra 20k while doing the exact same thing I'm doing now. 20k is like a whole salary/experience bracket higher so it's not really a meaningful comparison. Really, if you're fairly paid, your money range is a few grand either way. If you're shopping yourself around at X in a competitive market, then the leeway is really the "perks" that your company offers. Good perks (like lunchtime entertainment) have a real value to me, so the company gets more for their money and I get more fun for my day.
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Gates VP wrote:
My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2).
Sweeeeeet. I bet there are alot of tunes being jammed out with Guitar Hero 2 :rolleyes: As far as Poker goes, is it 5 Card Draw, Texas Hold 'Em or whatever fits the mood?
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Paul Conrad wrote:
Sweeeeeet. I bet there are alot of tunes being jammed out with Guitar Hero 2
Especially with two guitars, goodness knows that we'll be all over "Guitar Band" (or "Rock band" or whatever when it comes out). Poker is Hold Em, but we're learning Blackjack 101 in anticipation of the company visit to Vegas :)
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Sorry, as mentioned above, this was supposed to be a reply not it's own thread. 20k would definitely push me towards a new company, but it's highly unlikely that I would be able to make an extra 20k while doing the exact same thing I'm doing now. 20k is like a whole salary/experience bracket higher so it's not really a meaningful comparison. Really, if you're fairly paid, your money range is a few grand either way. If you're shopping yourself around at X in a competitive market, then the leeway is really the "perks" that your company offers. Good perks (like lunchtime entertainment) have a real value to me, so the company gets more for their money and I get more fun for my day.
Gates VP wrote:
Really, if you're fairly paid, your money range is a few grand either way. If you're shopping yourself around at X in a competitive market, then the leeway is really the "perks" that your company offers.
Perks are great... except when they start taking them away, and then you're stuck with the salary. For example, many years ago I worked for a utility company, and at lunch times we'd all go down to the company bar for half an hour for a beer. Later, the entire utility was bought up and the bar was closed. Now this didn't have the effect they hoped - ie that we'd work harder - since after that time we all went down to the local pub at lunch time. For 3 hours. I would have traded the bar for a boost to the salary, but unhappily they weren't of the same mind.
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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Ahh, the pay vs. benefits question. Fundamentally, this is actually "what the hell do I want to do with my life". I have a related blog post on this, but it really boils down to "what the heck am I doing with the my time and how much money do I need to do it". It all bears down to: 1. Am I making enough money 2. Am I doing what I enjoy Money can't buy happiness, but starvation can't buy it either. Do what you love doing as much as possible. If the job isn't what you love, then make sure that you're making enough money to spend the rest of your time doing what you love. My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2). If my salary were too low, I'd be annoyed. But having to pick between these and a 2k pay raise, the lunch room wins :)
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Gates VP wrote:
My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2). If my salary were too low, I'd be annoyed. But having to pick between these and a 2k pay raise, the lunch room wins
Because of the way i work, i'd rather eat my tuna sandwich in the cubicle without really taking too much of a break, and take the raise:laugh: The CP Lounge is the best kind of a break room.:-D Roswell
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Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CARoswellNX wrote:
The CP Lounge is the best kind of a break room.
Unfortunately it still keeps you in your seat, where you're already spending 8-9 hours of your day. A break should include some minimum distance of walking and change of scenery IMO.
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
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Believing in Jesus brings true happiness. Not believing in Jesus might bring temporary happiness, but you will spend eternity in hell.
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces - God (Malachi 2:3)
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eternity in hell
Apprently the lunch room in hell has a pool table, ping pong table, poker table, and every console known to man. Which is more important to some of us...
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
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Gates VP wrote:
My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2). If my salary were too low, I'd be annoyed. But having to pick between these and a 2k pay raise, the lunch room wins
Because of the way i work, i'd rather eat my tuna sandwich in the cubicle without really taking too much of a break, and take the raise:laugh: The CP Lounge is the best kind of a break room.:-D Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
You are 16 and have a cubicle job?
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces - God (Malachi 2:3)
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You are 16 and have a cubicle job?
No, but the "cubicle job" situation is the only way the hypothetical lunch/break room and 2K salary raise would apply. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
Ahh, the pay vs. benefits question. Fundamentally, this is actually "what the hell do I want to do with my life". I have a related blog post on this, but it really boils down to "what the heck am I doing with the my time and how much money do I need to do it". It all bears down to: 1. Am I making enough money 2. Am I doing what I enjoy Money can't buy happiness, but starvation can't buy it either. Do what you love doing as much as possible. If the job isn't what you love, then make sure that you're making enough money to spend the rest of your time doing what you love. My current job has a poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars (Guitar Hero 2). If my salary were too low, I'd be annoyed. But having to pick between these and a 2k pay raise, the lunch room wins :)
Gates VP wrote:
1. Am I making enough money
How much is enough? You quickly get used to the limitations of your current lifestyle, and end up wanting more no matter how much you earn. I guess the question would have to be: "do I have the potential to make considerably more elsewhere, without excessive stress?".
Gates VP wrote:
2. Am I doing what I enjoy
If you're lucky doing what you enjoy makes you enough money to live comfortably. Some people may persue a more lucrative career, in the knowledge that the weekend is always there to do what they really enjoy.
Gates VP wrote:
poker table for a lunch table and a 360 with two guitars
Does your lunch hour ever turn into a lunch afternoon? :-D
"For fifty bucks I'd put my face in their soup and blow." - George Costanza
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leckey wrote:
as long as I work half the day
What constitutes half the day... 12 hours? ;P
leckey wrote:
feed the cats and let the birds out for the day
If you let the birds out a bit earlier, you could feed the cats without going home... Kill two birds with one stone!! (or one cat)
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Half day = 4 hours and I have cockatoos...they are larger than the cats! I once had a friend who brought his birds for play dates. The cats left the cockatoos alone, but went after the very small conure.
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Paul Conrad wrote:
Sweeeeeet. I bet there are alot of tunes being jammed out with Guitar Hero 2
Especially with two guitars, goodness knows that we'll be all over "Guitar Band" (or "Rock band" or whatever when it comes out). Poker is Hold Em, but we're learning Blackjack 101 in anticipation of the company visit to Vegas :)
Gates VP wrote:
we're learning Blackjack 101 in anticipation of the company visit to Vegas
Ahhhh, nothing like a little practice in the lunch room before going up to the big leagues :rolleyes:
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Believing in Jesus brings true happiness. Not believing in Jesus might bring temporary happiness, but you will spend eternity in hell.
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces - God (Malachi 2:3)
What do lunch breaks have to do with beliving in Jesus? Nothing IMO. Unless you are the person that sees Virgin Mary on every toast, potato ship and even popcorn/cottage cheese ceilings (i usually see faces, but they disappear the moment i uncross my eyes). But that doesn't mean you are happy, it just shows that you are more than a little obsessive. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CA -
Sorry, as mentioned above, this was supposed to be a reply not it's own thread. 20k would definitely push me towards a new company, but it's highly unlikely that I would be able to make an extra 20k while doing the exact same thing I'm doing now. 20k is like a whole salary/experience bracket higher so it's not really a meaningful comparison. Really, if you're fairly paid, your money range is a few grand either way. If you're shopping yourself around at X in a competitive market, then the leeway is really the "perks" that your company offers. Good perks (like lunchtime entertainment) have a real value to me, so the company gets more for their money and I get more fun for my day.
"The Fundamental question" is are you happy? And from what you've written I would say yes. The main question that is begged when deciding to take more money is would it bring you more happiness in the regards or reaching a goal like paying off bills sooner, etc. The main drawback is normally people get paid more for crappier jobs so this tradeoff might mean that the exact reason you take a job, for instance financial independance, might cause you to loose your family or significant other which was probably why you wanted to seek the financial independance in the first place. Main question, does more money make you feel more worth? Better about yourself? Where is the peace/happiness in "more is better"?
We all sit around and suppose while the secret sits in the center and knows - Robert Frost
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What do lunch breaks have to do with beliving in Jesus? Nothing IMO. Unless you are the person that sees Virgin Mary on every toast, potato ship and even popcorn/cottage cheese ceilings (i usually see faces, but they disappear the moment i uncross my eyes). But that doesn't mean you are happy, it just shows that you are more than a little obsessive. Roswell
"Angelinos -- excuse me. There will be civility today."
Antonio VillaRaigosa
City Mayor, Los Angeles, CASo, if you cross your eyes you see faces on every 'potato ship' & 'popcorn/cottage cheese ceiling' do you? Is all of your local infrastructure made from popular food items, or just the things in the roofing/shipping areas? :confused: (Please forgive me if you are, in fact, about the same size as a beetle and these items make great substitutes for the ones us full-sized people use - I'm not intending to make fun of any physical challenges you may have had to overcome...)
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You are 16 and have a cubicle job?
Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces - God (Malachi 2:3)