Ranking up at work
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
Maybe you should be patient and wait until your next appraisal cycle. That would be the best time to ask for a raise as most the managers expect it. They'll have an idea of the budget and its the best time to put forth your achievements. If you ask for a raise now, it'll just seem as though you're miffed off by the new guys coming in. Just a thought. Maybe your manager and your company might do things different.
SG
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The question is, why should he give a damn that you want more money ? You have to present your desire for more money in terms that make sense to him, not 'I want to buy a swimming pool' or something. I am just saying, you need to present reasons you *deserve* to be paid more, not just reasons you *want* to be.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
I am just saying, you need to present reasons you *deserve* to be paid more, not just reasons you *want* to be
That's just a game. He knows very well that it is indeed for your new swimming pool. He does not care for your skills and your competence. Sure he knows you are competent, otherwise he would not have hired you. So why make it so complicated ? Ask for money.
Don't follow any man spiritually, don't do anything that will get you in sh*t if god is real - Bradml[^]
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Maybe you should be patient and wait until your next appraisal cycle. That would be the best time to ask for a raise as most the managers expect it. They'll have an idea of the budget and its the best time to put forth your achievements. If you ask for a raise now, it'll just seem as though you're miffed off by the new guys coming in. Just a thought. Maybe your manager and your company might do things different.
SG
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Christian Graus wrote:
I am just saying, you need to present reasons you *deserve* to be paid more, not just reasons you *want* to be
That's just a game. He knows very well that it is indeed for your new swimming pool. He does not care for your skills and your competence. Sure he knows you are competent, otherwise he would not have hired you. So why make it so complicated ? Ask for money.
Don't follow any man spiritually, don't do anything that will get you in sh*t if god is real - Bradml[^]
Wow - your job must really suck.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
I am in a similar work situation - a couple more staff here but still less than 10, though my company has been fairly generous with the payrise scheme(2 significant rises in the last 12 months). Though I did start on the lower ebb of my salary range, the boss has recognised my achievements and effort and put that into monetary value. Given your situation, after working for that length of time with such a small number of staff I would imagine you would have built up a decent relationship with your boss, so it wouldn't hurt to have a word with him about this. If you don't know already find out what the salary scale is for your position, there will usually be a difference of at least £5k between the lower and upper limits. If you know exactly where you are in the scale and have an argument prepared for why you think you deserve more there is no reason you shouldn't achieve this. The companies I have worked for have budgeted based on the maximum salary scale values, so there should be cash in the purse to allow a payrise. All companies want to maximise their profit, so if they can justify paying you a lower wage most will. At the end of the day, if you don't ask - you don't get.
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
C0d3_P03t wrote:
How Should i approach it? What should i do?
Before I went self-employed, I would take my boss in a head lock and demand more money, if that didn't work I'd threaten to send the fake pictures I had of him to his wife :mad::jig::mad::jig:
- "I'm not lying, I'm just writing fiction with my mouth"
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Wow - your job must really suck.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
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Hmm seems like i have to go to face to face with my boss and ask him straight away. thanks alot guys. Basically i should list down my list of achievments and duties which i do and go talk to him.
In all seriousness, I don't think these days you get pay rises for tenure alone, your boss needs to have a reason for up'ing your pay, such as; - You have more responsibilities (technical, design, strategy etc) - You are managing people (project management, team lead etc) - You are more involved in the "business" (talking to clients, meeting clients, promoting products/services etc) - Remember that whatever you ask for (say a 10k rise), it will cost the business more than that to pay you that extra 10k. - The opportunity to take on or take over extra responsibilities - You have ideas to make the business more sales Work out the business case for your pay rise and present this to your boss, at least it shows him that you've thought about it from the point of view of the business, and not just that "I'd like a pay rise please"
- "I'm not lying, I'm just writing fiction with my mouth"
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In all seriousness, I don't think these days you get pay rises for tenure alone, your boss needs to have a reason for up'ing your pay, such as; - You have more responsibilities (technical, design, strategy etc) - You are managing people (project management, team lead etc) - You are more involved in the "business" (talking to clients, meeting clients, promoting products/services etc) - Remember that whatever you ask for (say a 10k rise), it will cost the business more than that to pay you that extra 10k. - The opportunity to take on or take over extra responsibilities - You have ideas to make the business more sales Work out the business case for your pay rise and present this to your boss, at least it shows him that you've thought about it from the point of view of the business, and not just that "I'd like a pay rise please"
- "I'm not lying, I'm just writing fiction with my mouth"
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
C0d3_P03t wrote:
Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities... Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities...
Why not just do the job asked of you instead of worrying about more responsibilities, more pay, better status, etc? All this after only 18 months...
"A good athlete is the result of a good and worthy opponent." - David Crow
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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Sooo First of all hi guys. Since everyone on CP works in software companies, more or less, i have a few questions id like to ask, just for the sake of guiding me into something. a year and a half ago i started working with a company, in which we were the boss and only 2 developers. Me being the second one that came in. Now a year and something after we have grown,new offices and we are 5 develoeprs and more coming in, 1 project manager, client support bla bla bla. u know the drill. Since all this happened, they gave me responsabilities, how ever im still with the same salary and position. Since i have more resp then the new guys, i feel like i should ask for more responsabilities hence asking for a raise. I want to grow in my line of work, be better. How Should i approach it? What should i do? Thanks , Luke
As someone who has hired / fired and given raises to employees, there is only one thing that is important: The boss only cares about what value you bring to them and their company, NEVER EVER go into a discussion about salary by telling the boss you NEED more money. Saying you want a raise because you need it says nothing to the boss, you might as well be speaking a foriegn language. It also makes you seem weak and puts you in a "begging" position automatically. What you always do is approach it from a point of view of what value you bring to the company. What I would do is first of all find out what kind of salary you could be making if you started a new job at your current level of knowledge and value so you know how much you *deserve* to be making. Get as much info on that as you can for your area. Also find out how likely it would be that you could get another job if you left the one you're at now. Remember that you want to be in a position of power in any negotiation. I don't mean that you should act arrogant and self important, it's important to project humility and calm assertiveness in any negotiation. You will feel calmly assertive because you are armed with the knowledge of exactly what you should be making before you even go in. Then, and only then go in, tell the boss that you would like a higher salary because you're worth more to the company than you were when you first started and be prepared to show exactly what you're worth with proof if required. Keep it light and pleasant and if they say no outright then you already know if you can look for another job or not so there is no pressure in the conversation. But key of all remember that the boss, no matter how friendly they may seem are really only interested in the bottom line of what you bring to the company and how much it would cost to replace you, they are not going to base their decision on anything but cold hard logic, trying an emotional argument with them is the worst possible thing you can do. I've personally felt like firing people who came to me asking for a raise because they said "I need it" and had no logic to back up their request. I don't want that sort of person working for me unless I'm running a drama studio. :)
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