12-21-2012
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Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
Only if you like soccer...
I don't jump for it... but I find it more entertaining than American Football. Is that close enough?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Close enough! :-D
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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code-frog wrote:
Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date?
Whats real interesting is that it coinsides (sp?) with some other events NASA is predicting (well close enough) http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar_stormwarning.htm[^]
Science @ NASA, March 10, 2006:
This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958. ... Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.
With respect, I must disagree. A quick look at middle management in just about any corporation shows that the dodo not only survived, it's reproducing in record numbers. Christopher Duncan
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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That is the new-age version of the "2k-phenomemon". I beleive that actually "something" will happen, but only for those who has the ability to see/hear/feel/taste/smell it. Not an apocalypse nor a cataclism or something. The fact that ancient cultures just cannot predict anything beyond that date, is because that: The can't predict more! The why is what we put, with our fears, prejuices, etc. Hans Baumann
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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HISTORY CHANNEL == DISCOVERY CHANNEL? I saw a few things on that station (when I finally relented and got cable a year or so, ago). The station is basically sensialized bull-turd. In particular, I saw a couple of shows where I really knew quite a bit about the subjects. They were primarily concentrating on those aspects that were sensational, marginalizing, when not outright neglecting, anything to the contrary. Reminds me of a Rupper Murdach "newspaper".
code-frog wrote:
while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it i
A little scary to think you'd accept it to even this extent! What would Nostrasdamous think?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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Douglas Troy wrote:
How often do you look at a clock and see the time 9:11 or 11:11
For a while, I kept checking the time at 12:34.
BW
Quick to judge, quick to anger, slow to understand.
Ignorance and prejudice and fear walk hand in hand.
-- Neil Peartbrianwelsch wrote:
I kept checking the time at 12:34
That seems to happen to me alot :)
"Real programmers just throw a bunch of 1s and 0s at the computer to see what sticks" - Pete O'Hanlon
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I used to be certain that 2012 would bring the end of the world. But then that note by Newton predicting the world would not end before 2060 came out a few months ago. I let out a sigh of relief.
i actually have a root beer that i call my end of the world root beer that im gonna drink on 12 - 21 - 2012 so i hope newtons wrong cuase if its not then he didnt predict the end of the world just that its gonna happen after 2060 so i wont know when to drink another apocalypse root beer :( .
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The sun actually crosses the galactic plane regularly (about every 33 million years, +/- 3 million years), and given the time it takes to transition the plane, it is noon a lot of places on earth, many times over, before the transition is complete. Given that scientisits are not in agreemwnt with the "when", I don't think one can narrow it down to a date and time. Not even the Mayans, who couldn't even foresee the future danger of the Spaniards. I wonder how the Mayans felt about illegal immigration at the end. ;) Besides, given the - pun intended - astronomical distances between stars, even the denser middle of the galactic plane doesn't significantly (or even measurably) change either the danger of collision with anything or effects of gravity from other star systems.
Its supposed to be the movement through the galactic plane, co-inciding with jupiter & saturn lining up, this offsets the barycentre (centre of gravity) of the sun massivly (just the planets would do this) which increases sun-spot activity and therfore the likleyhood, size and number of mass coronal ejections (big solar flares), probably many times bigger than we have ever seen before. These are what cause the auras at the poles and the larger ones we have seen have taken out entire power grids. If one of these super big solar flares hits the earth you can be 100% sure there'll be alot of irradiated person lining the streets. If not it'll make for one fecking good light show and probably take out alot of the electronic infrastructure. I also remember reading that the mayan calendar long-count is supposed to have started when we last came through the plane, but that certainly wouldnt match up with 33 milion years. There are also several possible dates in december (12th,21st,23rd,24th, maybe more). If you really want more just 2012 google, you could read forever!
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Its supposed to be the movement through the galactic plane, co-inciding with jupiter & saturn lining up, this offsets the barycentre (centre of gravity) of the sun massivly (just the planets would do this) which increases sun-spot activity and therfore the likleyhood, size and number of mass coronal ejections (big solar flares), probably many times bigger than we have ever seen before. These are what cause the auras at the poles and the larger ones we have seen have taken out entire power grids. If one of these super big solar flares hits the earth you can be 100% sure there'll be alot of irradiated person lining the streets. If not it'll make for one fecking good light show and probably take out alot of the electronic infrastructure. I also remember reading that the mayan calendar long-count is supposed to have started when we last came through the plane, but that certainly wouldnt match up with 33 milion years. There are also several possible dates in december (12th,21st,23rd,24th, maybe more). If you really want more just 2012 google, you could read forever!
Jupiter and Saturn, while large planets, simply cannot exert enough force of gravity over that distance to cause solar flares large enough and powerful enough to cause the damage you describe. The planets were in such an alignment back on May 5, 2000 (a lot of folks predicted the kind of destruction you described), and nothing happened). You can see the planetary alignments at http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar[^] by typing in the date. I recommend a size of 640 or larger to make a clear view. As you will see, Jupiter, the Sun, and Saturn are not aligned. So far, I have not seen any scientific evidence that Dec 21, 2012 (or thereabouts) means anything significant.
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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Jupiter and Saturn, while large planets, simply cannot exert enough force of gravity over that distance to cause solar flares large enough and powerful enough to cause the damage you describe. The planets were in such an alignment back on May 5, 2000 (a lot of folks predicted the kind of destruction you described), and nothing happened). You can see the planetary alignments at http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/Solar[^] by typing in the date. I recommend a size of 640 or larger to make a clear view. As you will see, Jupiter, the Sun, and Saturn are not aligned. So far, I have not seen any scientific evidence that Dec 21, 2012 (or thereabouts) means anything significant.
Well then you didnt look did you? Sometime during june/july the signal for the sunspot cycle change happened, marked by a sunspot with reversed polarity, which as a general rule pops up around 30 degress N/S and lasts as long as you would expect of any other spot. This particualar spot appeared at 13 degrees S and lasted for just 3 hours before disappearing, both of which is highly abnormal, indicating along with the track record of sunspot activity getting greater, that this phase will be "turbulent". And when is the peak due? December 2012. Also you seem to think weve passed through the galactic plate in recorded history, and seem completly incapable of using a search engine or even distinguishing the SCIENCE and FACT from the intelligently PROPESISED and PREDICTIED events by many ancient civilisations who didnt smoke crack and "meet god" who told them the world would end, instead the got a coupple of lenses together and invented a little thing called a telescope, and soon enough worked it out. Finally, Canada for one has had sections of its power grid knocked out by solar flares as they pass by, so dont try claiming a stream of charged particles and radiation is harmless. Those ones were nowhere near as big as what WILL happen in 2012, the question you need to be asking is will one hit us. http://science.monstersandcritics.com/news/article\_1135042.php/Strong\_2012\_sunspot\_cycle\_is\_forecast here this one has a some pretty pictures and a graph: http://lawnorder.blogspot.com/2005/04/daily-kos-coming-weather-crisis-in.html how about nasa then, cause theyve never lied or faked anything... http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar\_stormwarning.htm
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Well then you didnt look did you? Sometime during june/july the signal for the sunspot cycle change happened, marked by a sunspot with reversed polarity, which as a general rule pops up around 30 degress N/S and lasts as long as you would expect of any other spot. This particualar spot appeared at 13 degrees S and lasted for just 3 hours before disappearing, both of which is highly abnormal, indicating along with the track record of sunspot activity getting greater, that this phase will be "turbulent". And when is the peak due? December 2012. Also you seem to think weve passed through the galactic plate in recorded history, and seem completly incapable of using a search engine or even distinguishing the SCIENCE and FACT from the intelligently PROPESISED and PREDICTIED events by many ancient civilisations who didnt smoke crack and "meet god" who told them the world would end, instead the got a coupple of lenses together and invented a little thing called a telescope, and soon enough worked it out. Finally, Canada for one has had sections of its power grid knocked out by solar flares as they pass by, so dont try claiming a stream of charged particles and radiation is harmless. Those ones were nowhere near as big as what WILL happen in 2012, the question you need to be asking is will one hit us. http://science.monstersandcritics.com/news/article\_1135042.php/Strong\_2012\_sunspot\_cycle\_is\_forecast here this one has a some pretty pictures and a graph: http://lawnorder.blogspot.com/2005/04/daily-kos-coming-weather-crisis-in.html how about nasa then, cause theyve never lied or faked anything... http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/10mar\_stormwarning.htm
I respond to your post, not to get you to agree with me, but to explain why I believe as I do. I find nothing wrong with anyone choosing for themselves what they are comfortable with.
Skunkeh wrote:
both of which is highly abnormal
For the short time man has had the science to observe to physics and chemistry of the sun, I am not sure we can say what is "highly abnormal".
Skunkeh wrote:
daily-kos-coming-weather-crisis-in.html
Daily Kos. Now there is a bastion of reason and factual analysis.
Skunkeh wrote:
Also you seem to think weve passed through the galactic plate in recorded history
No, I believe I said 33 million years, somewhat before human recorded history. But nature records events in the effects on the world from the far distant past. The trouble is in accurately determining how long ago, since radiometric dating depends on knowing what percentages of isotopes existed in a specific location at some distant past and what methods and degree of migration of isotopes over that unknown time period - something not exactly determinable by the scientific method. So it is a guess that is often at variance with itself.
Skunkeh wrote:
how about nasa then, cause theyve never lied or faked anything...
You mean like James Hansen and the human-induced global warming mythology? Or the lies about the o-rings as they are affected by temperature? You mean the government agency that 40 years after landing men on the moon can do little more than put a glorified bus in orbit? The truth is, we have no idea what, and to what degree anything, will happen on 12/21/2012. There is no real science that indicates what and to what degree anything will happen. Most laymen make the mistake of discounting the effect distance has on any effect other bodies in the solar system and the universe have. The distances are so vast that their effects are negligible. Gravitational effects decrease by the square with distance. I tend not to put much stock in some ancient civilization that didn't contribute much of anything to other generations, performed regular and ritualistic child and adult sacrifices and committed violence as a matter of daily living. That they could figure out cycles of nature puts them in the same category as many other barbarian civilizations. By the time the Mayans
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Has anyone seen the history channel (or other stuff) show related to that date? I was watching it yesterday and ancient Aztec's, Chinese, Hopi, WebBot and Oracles predict it will either be the last day of the world or some type of cataclysm? It was a pretty interesting show and while I don't know if I buy into *any* of it it had an odd and far-spread viewpoint from religious people to computer programs and other things that were arriving at 12-21-2012 being the "last day". I don't want this to be a religious discussion instead I found it fascinating that ancient Chinese, Hopi Indians, Aztecs, Oracles etc... from so many parts of the world and from such different times could all arrive at the same date. Now how much of this is "sensationalism" and how much is hard and fast true... Well only the Inquirer knows that... Anybody else catch that or similar stuff. I found it interesting even if it isn't true (and I hope it's as fake as pleather)? Also if you Google "12-21-2012" you get some pretty fascinating hits. Even if it turns out not to be true I think stuff like this has some real entertainment value :rolleyes: but it's also interesting assuming it's historically accurate.
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For me, it seems non-sense as they didn't use our christian calendar. By the way, always look documentaries to the end : I have seen one about the fact that man didn't land on the moon and after the end of the documentary they explained that it was a joke.