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Here in the UK, the legal minimum might be 20 days, but most employers will build this up over time spent with the employer, and you can normally negotiate it with a new employer. I'm at 25 days per year now (and I have to find something to do with the 21 I have left!)
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Legal minimum in the UK is at the moment 12 with 8 days public* - making the absolute minimum 20 days per year. My company gives us 25 days (plus p/hol) but allows us to sell down to the minimum of 12 or buy up to 35 (giving 43). I tend to cash mine in... * Next year the law changes next year to make the minimum 20 - apparently that's what the European minimum is, but the UK decided it is 20 include p/hols. About 6 months ago the EU told the UK it was wrong! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/6255699.stm[^]
Regards, Ray
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I moved from Germany to Canada for two years ago. I am self-employed so I have worked most weekends and holidays for the last two years plus a lot of overtime. This year was the first year I took 8 days off for summer vacations. Shouldn't have done that because when I came back I had so much overtime to catch up again. Is it all worth it? Hmmm ... Yes, because I love what I am doing, but I won't do it for a much longer time. Maybe 12 more months and then things should change otherwise I will try to find a job where I get paid vacations. Cheers! Stephan
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I wouldn't consider CNN to necessarily be a place with information you can trust but perhaps this one is right. I'm self employed and have been since 1996 so historically I never take any holidays off (or even weekends) but we've been working hard towards winter releases and this is the first summer I've taken off completely (June - September) which probably makes up for all those years of not taking days off. Now we have all our products and upcoming new products releases designed around that schedule so from this point on we will do major coding from September to April, do a releases in there as near to April as possible for the big stuff, do maintenance and bug fixes if necessary (there's always something after release that just has to go in there right away) and stop all development by June 1st, take the summer off to September and repeat. Of course the other sides of the business go on all year, but generally our clients are less busy in the summer so we get less support questions etc. It took a lot of years and hard work to get to the point where we can do that but it's all starting to pay off now.
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I moved from Germany to Canada for two years ago. I am self-employed so I have worked most weekends and holidays for the last two years plus a lot of overtime. This year was the first year I took 8 days off for summer vacations. Shouldn't have done that because when I came back I had so much overtime to catch up again. Is it all worth it? Hmmm ... Yes, because I love what I am doing, but I won't do it for a much longer time. Maybe 12 more months and then things should change otherwise I will try to find a job where I get paid vacations. Cheers! Stephan
Stephan, living in this area you really do need to find a way to take more days off in the summer. I've spent years building up to a point where I can take summers off and work only in winters and this is the first summer I've been able to do that after 10 years of what you describe, so hang in there and plan for it and don't be dissapointed after a couple of years of long hours as long as you know you're working towards a lighter work load. (Prioritize for it)
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15 days minimum in the US is BS. First off, if you even get 15 days, nowadays that's combined vacation/sick leave. If you're sick for 3 weeks, you get no vacation time. Furthermore, a lot of places don't even give you vacation time until you've been there 6 months. Then you're lucky if you get a week. Two weeks (10 days) is the norm, and you may get another week after you've slaved away for 3 years at the place. And don't forget not to get sick. But that explains in part why people come to work sick, because otherwise they have to take the time off unpaid (which many cannot afford) or take their vacation time to lie in bed and be miserable. Hence, the booming market of drugs to supress symptoms and quick fixes. X| Marc
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15 days minimum in the US is BS. First off, if you even get 15 days, nowadays that's combined vacation/sick leave. If you're sick for 3 weeks, you get no vacation time. Furthermore, a lot of places don't even give you vacation time until you've been there 6 months. Then you're lucky if you get a week. Two weeks (10 days) is the norm, and you may get another week after you've slaved away for 3 years at the place. And don't forget not to get sick. But that explains in part why people come to work sick, because otherwise they have to take the time off unpaid (which many cannot afford) or take their vacation time to lie in bed and be miserable. Hence, the booming market of drugs to supress symptoms and quick fixes. X| Marc
People have the opposite here in Australia (particularly when they work for government or big business), they have sick days each year (usually around 8 or so) that don't accumulate, so if you don't take your sick days, you lose them. The effect is that every month to six weeks, an employee will take a sickie (ie: use one of their sick days when they aren't really sick), so that they don't "lose" their sick leave entitlements at the end of the year. I think it works much better if people basically have an unlimited number of sick days available, but require a doctor's certificate each time they take one. That way they don't feel that they are "losing" something by not taking their sick leave, and have plenty of days available if they really need it. Of course, having my own business means that I have neither paid holidays or paid sick leave, but hey, that's the trade-off for the big bucks and flexibility... lmfao. D.
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India sucks when it comes to paid holidays but it makes up somewhat with public holidays.
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People have the opposite here in Australia (particularly when they work for government or big business), they have sick days each year (usually around 8 or so) that don't accumulate, so if you don't take your sick days, you lose them. The effect is that every month to six weeks, an employee will take a sickie (ie: use one of their sick days when they aren't really sick), so that they don't "lose" their sick leave entitlements at the end of the year. I think it works much better if people basically have an unlimited number of sick days available, but require a doctor's certificate each time they take one. That way they don't feel that they are "losing" something by not taking their sick leave, and have plenty of days available if they really need it. Of course, having my own business means that I have neither paid holidays or paid sick leave, but hey, that's the trade-off for the big bucks and flexibility... lmfao. D.
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Finland, here we come!
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Here in India, we get 22 paid leaves + 10 holidays. Regards, Paresh.
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Yeay, i like living in Finland :)
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Finland, here we come!
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Tervetuloa :) (welcome)
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Having temporarily moved from Greece and France to UK, I can really feel the difference. I hope next year I will be in France...:rolleyes:
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A little bit misleading. For France it's said 30 days of minimum paid vacation days. In fact, this is 5 weeks of paid vacations, and because people generally don't work 6 days per week, it's 25 days and not 30.
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I wouldn't consider CNN to necessarily be a place with information you can trust but perhaps this one is right. I'm self employed and have been since 1996 so historically I never take any holidays off (or even weekends) but we've been working hard towards winter releases and this is the first summer I've taken off completely (June - September) which probably makes up for all those years of not taking days off. Now we have all our products and upcoming new products releases designed around that schedule so from this point on we will do major coding from September to April, do a releases in there as near to April as possible for the big stuff, do maintenance and bug fixes if necessary (there's always something after release that just has to go in there right away) and stop all development by June 1st, take the summer off to September and repeat. Of course the other sides of the business go on all year, but generally our clients are less busy in the summer so we get less support questions etc. It took a lot of years and hard work to get to the point where we can do that but it's all starting to pay off now.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
I like the way they fiddled the numbers for america to make it not last lol. The column is called "Minimum paid vacation days" but the note at the bottom for the US says: *** In the United States, federal law does not mandate pay for time not worked. Vacation policies vary widely, many organisations provide one week of vacation after six months of service, two weeks after one to five years of service and three weeks after five to 10 years of service. i.e. they don't have to pay your for vacation and they don't have to give you vacation ... with majority of the other countries (as far as I can see) the numbers are for the minimum legal requirement for paid holiday.
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When I worked in Amsterdam we had unlimitted sick leave but you had to get approval from your mamanger, ie if you rang up sick they could still tell you to come in, and they could also send a doctor of their choice to your home to check up on you.
In the UK we have 7 days in a row of "self certification" where you can just say your ill, after that you have to get a note from a doctor. I don't think theres a maximum overall number your allowed but obviously if your sick alot they will call in to question your suitability for the job.
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A little bit misleading. For France it's said 30 days of minimum paid vacation days. In fact, this is 5 weeks of paid vacations, and because people generally don't work 6 days per week, it's 25 days and not 30.
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Not to mention RTT or did they scrap that?
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'RTT' or 'Recupération de Temps de Travail' (work time recovery) is a compensation for extra-work (more hours worked than the legal definition). Instead of being paid, these hours are compensated by free time. So first not everybody is entitled to get some RTT, but also these days are not vacations but compensations.
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Legal minimum in the UK is at the moment 12 with 8 days public* - making the absolute minimum 20 days per year. My company gives us 25 days (plus p/hol) but allows us to sell down to the minimum of 12 or buy up to 35 (giving 43). I tend to cash mine in... * Next year the law changes next year to make the minimum 20 - apparently that's what the European minimum is, but the UK decided it is 20 include p/hols. About 6 months ago the EU told the UK it was wrong! http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/working_lunch/6255699.stm[^]
Regards, Ray
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How did such a great news pass me!!! Ray, you are an angel!
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