12-21-2012
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I know that this date is, at the least also, from the Mayan calendar. They believed that when ever one of their calendar(s) 'started over' that the world would end. They had 3 calendars each surprising accurate to today. However because of Gregorian time, there is at least an 11 day time span where it might happen. On another note the smallest calendar repeats almost every year, so yea lol. I believe, but I’m not 100% sure, that the range of Dec 21 2012 to Dec 23 2012 is the predicted Gregorian time. I did some research on Mayan calendars, but oddly enough now that I need it I can not find it. Edward
Medmerd wrote:
They had 3 calendars each surprising accurate to today.
Not surprising at all. Sheesh but people assume magic easily. We used to think it was amazing that the pyramids were level... how in the world did they get sand level.... till someone dug a trench filled it with water and used the water level (naturally leveled when the wind isn't blowing).... :doh: simple and non magical, and easy for any civilization. making a calendar is not magical either. In fact easier for the Mayan's than for us, much, much easier! Why? Because they didn't try to divide the year into 10 months, then add two more later on or any of that political malarchy that goes into our calendar system. They simply "looked at the sun". Wow, amazing isn't it? Such a mystical revelation that measuring the sun and ignoring politics can get you an accurate calendar? magic. By monitoring only the sun they had a very accurate seasonal calendar divided into sections based on solar seasons and solar cycles. What we have been doing with the sun only the last 60 years, they mastered ages ago. So not surprising it is accurate. But not perfect. It doesn't account for all of the gravitational drift of the elliptical orbit of the earth, because they had no knowledge of this only observing the sun. Thus it has already started to diverge from a strictly solar examination of today. But be that as it may, simply give me everything you own so you can be at peace when the world ends in 2012. :-D Call me when it happens... oh wait, i would have your phone... never mind I'll figure it out....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Medmerd wrote:
They had 3 calendars each surprising accurate to today.
Not surprising at all. Sheesh but people assume magic easily. We used to think it was amazing that the pyramids were level... how in the world did they get sand level.... till someone dug a trench filled it with water and used the water level (naturally leveled when the wind isn't blowing).... :doh: simple and non magical, and easy for any civilization. making a calendar is not magical either. In fact easier for the Mayan's than for us, much, much easier! Why? Because they didn't try to divide the year into 10 months, then add two more later on or any of that political malarchy that goes into our calendar system. They simply "looked at the sun". Wow, amazing isn't it? Such a mystical revelation that measuring the sun and ignoring politics can get you an accurate calendar? magic. By monitoring only the sun they had a very accurate seasonal calendar divided into sections based on solar seasons and solar cycles. What we have been doing with the sun only the last 60 years, they mastered ages ago. So not surprising it is accurate. But not perfect. It doesn't account for all of the gravitational drift of the elliptical orbit of the earth, because they had no knowledge of this only observing the sun. Thus it has already started to diverge from a strictly solar examination of today. But be that as it may, simply give me everything you own so you can be at peace when the world ends in 2012. :-D Call me when it happens... oh wait, i would have your phone... never mind I'll figure it out....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Medmerd wrote:
They had 3 calendars each surprising accurate to today.
Not surprising at all. Sheesh but people assume magic easily. We used to think it was amazing that the pyramids were level... how in the world did they get sand level.... till someone dug a trench filled it with water and used the water level (naturally leveled when the wind isn't blowing).... :doh: simple and non magical, and easy for any civilization. making a calendar is not magical either. In fact easier for the Mayan's than for us, much, much easier! Why? Because they didn't try to divide the year into 10 months, then add two more later on or any of that political malarchy that goes into our calendar system. They simply "looked at the sun". Wow, amazing isn't it? Such a mystical revelation that measuring the sun and ignoring politics can get you an accurate calendar? magic. By monitoring only the sun they had a very accurate seasonal calendar divided into sections based on solar seasons and solar cycles. What we have been doing with the sun only the last 60 years, they mastered ages ago. So not surprising it is accurate. But not perfect. It doesn't account for all of the gravitational drift of the elliptical orbit of the earth, because they had no knowledge of this only observing the sun. Thus it has already started to diverge from a strictly solar examination of today. But be that as it may, simply give me everything you own so you can be at peace when the world ends in 2012. :-D Call me when it happens... oh wait, i would have your phone... never mind I'll figure it out....
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Yea it seams simple enough just to watch the sun. However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now. Even the julian caladar had 12 months. It did not correctly account for leap years, the Gegorian calandar corrects this. There have been recent updates into how we calculate dates, but the base of todays calendars have been around for hundreds of years. Edward
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Yea it seams simple enough just to watch the sun. However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now. Even the julian caladar had 12 months. It did not correctly account for leap years, the Gegorian calandar corrects this. There have been recent updates into how we calculate dates, but the base of todays calendars have been around for hundreds of years. Edward
Medmerd wrote:
Even the julian caladar had 12 months. It did not correctly account for leap years, the Gegorian calandar corrects this.
But this wasn't because the people Caesar had make his calendar didn't know about the drift, it's was because they felt the ~.75day/century drift was too small to worry about. If they'd felt it neccesary they could've added the 100 and 400 year exceptions that Pope Gregory put into his improved calendar.
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.Net is magic and if you can get PHP to compile (yes Brad, aimed right at you) then that's magic.:cool:
What I am up to: ReadyToGiveUp(Not!)[^] What friends are up to:SQLServerCentral[^]
code-frog wrote:
and if you can get PHP to compile
4D is magic too I guess.... any sufficiently advanced rigged demo is indistinguishable from magic.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Yea it seams simple enough just to watch the sun. However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now. Even the julian caladar had 12 months. It did not correctly account for leap years, the Gegorian calandar corrects this. There have been recent updates into how we calculate dates, but the base of todays calendars have been around for hundreds of years. Edward
Medmerd wrote:
However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now
Math is ultimately math. The reasons between the two were different. The Sun was essentially a religion to Mayan culture so study of the sun was to be expected. Because the day and year did not match up exactly, they attuned to a mystic message from a Sun god, and to understand that difference was to understand their god. So again, not surprisingly, they studied in incredible detail the differences between solar day and seasonal year. We know today that there is no reason the two should ever match, so we compensate a second, or day at a time as needed. They simply kept studying, adding more and more data and finer and finer analysis of the differences. Had the culture lasted to today, we would probably know everything about the dust bowl cycles and solar spot cycles and probably even understand what caused the Maunder Minimum (besides Chris sleeping in). That was how dedicated they were. But it really was just focused determination. Then again, they might have lost that determinaton, raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff. It is hard to know. But it still is not any great surprise. We have had to relearn a LOT of knowledge that was lost to mankind for one reason or another.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I know that this date is, at the least also, from the Mayan calendar. They believed that when ever one of their calendar(s) 'started over' that the world would end. They had 3 calendars each surprising accurate to today. However because of Gregorian time, there is at least an 11 day time span where it might happen. On another note the smallest calendar repeats almost every year, so yea lol. I believe, but I’m not 100% sure, that the range of Dec 21 2012 to Dec 23 2012 is the predicted Gregorian time. I did some research on Mayan calendars, but oddly enough now that I need it I can not find it. Edward
The significance of 12-21-2012 in the Mayan calendar is not just that their calendar starts over then (this will the 13th time it has completed a long count and started over), but the astronomical events that coincide on this particular cycle completion: the winter solstice happens at the same time and location in the sky as the planetary ecliptic crosses the galactic equator. Mayans believed this crossing would "open a gateway to the center of the universe". It is significant because it never happened in the previous 13 great cycles.
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Medmerd wrote:
However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now
Math is ultimately math. The reasons between the two were different. The Sun was essentially a religion to Mayan culture so study of the sun was to be expected. Because the day and year did not match up exactly, they attuned to a mystic message from a Sun god, and to understand that difference was to understand their god. So again, not surprisingly, they studied in incredible detail the differences between solar day and seasonal year. We know today that there is no reason the two should ever match, so we compensate a second, or day at a time as needed. They simply kept studying, adding more and more data and finer and finer analysis of the differences. Had the culture lasted to today, we would probably know everything about the dust bowl cycles and solar spot cycles and probably even understand what caused the Maunder Minimum (besides Chris sleeping in). That was how dedicated they were. But it really was just focused determination. Then again, they might have lost that determinaton, raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff. It is hard to know. But it still is not any great surprise. We have had to relearn a LOT of knowledge that was lost to mankind for one reason or another.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
Then again, they might have lost that determinaton, raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff.
No! The aliens took them to Mars! ;P Well, that is a supported theory, especially by E. von Däniken
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El Corazon wrote:
Then again, they might have lost that determinaton, raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff.
No! The aliens took them to Mars! ;P Well, that is a supported theory, especially by E. von Däniken
A polar bear is a bear whose coordinates has been changed in terms of sine and cosine. Quanehsti Pah Nation States
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
No! The aliens took them to Mars!
No, someone turned them into lawyers. Bloodthirsty bunch... ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Medmerd wrote:
However math behind the mayan caledar uses similar math to what we use now
Math is ultimately math. The reasons between the two were different. The Sun was essentially a religion to Mayan culture so study of the sun was to be expected. Because the day and year did not match up exactly, they attuned to a mystic message from a Sun god, and to understand that difference was to understand their god. So again, not surprisingly, they studied in incredible detail the differences between solar day and seasonal year. We know today that there is no reason the two should ever match, so we compensate a second, or day at a time as needed. They simply kept studying, adding more and more data and finer and finer analysis of the differences. Had the culture lasted to today, we would probably know everything about the dust bowl cycles and solar spot cycles and probably even understand what caused the Maunder Minimum (besides Chris sleeping in). That was how dedicated they were. But it really was just focused determination. Then again, they might have lost that determinaton, raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff. It is hard to know. But it still is not any great surprise. We have had to relearn a LOT of knowledge that was lost to mankind for one reason or another.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
raised their arms in frustration for not finding the hidden message from god, and walked off a cliff.
You know, more people should consider this as an option. Or at least a suggestion :)
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The significance of 12-21-2012 in the Mayan calendar is not just that their calendar starts over then (this will the 13th time it has completed a long count and started over), but the astronomical events that coincide on this particular cycle completion: the winter solstice happens at the same time and location in the sky as the planetary ecliptic crosses the galactic equator. Mayans believed this crossing would "open a gateway to the center of the universe". It is significant because it never happened in the previous 13 great cycles.
Rob Graham wrote:
Mayans believed this crossing would "open a gateway to the center of the universe".
Pfft, I'm just hoping it's the one day where nothing I do pisses off my wife :) -- modified at 9:19 Friday 10th August, 2007
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Rob Graham wrote:
Mayans believed this crossing would "open a gateway to the center of the universe".
Pfft, I'm just hoping it's the one day where nothing I do pisses off my wife :) -- modified at 9:19 Friday 10th August, 2007
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In my case, I have already established that that is not a possibility, since if I did nothing to piss her off, that would piss her off.