DotNetNuke Bites
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The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Someone is having a bad day :doh: I happen to like it a lot, despite its shortcomings.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The documentation is sub-standard
Compared to the documentation of other products like this I think its actually pretty good. I wish they would update it more often.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
the performance is horrendous
I think this really depends on the version, and the way it is set up on the server. The later versions are really pretty responsive. And if the server caching is set up right it gets faster the more the site is used.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support.
I guess I don't see your point here. I have never had an issue with the forums.
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Someone is having a bad day :doh: I happen to like it a lot, despite its shortcomings.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
The documentation is sub-standard
Compared to the documentation of other products like this I think its actually pretty good. I wish they would update it more often.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
the performance is horrendous
I think this really depends on the version, and the way it is set up on the server. The later versions are really pretty responsive. And if the server caching is set up right it gets faster the more the site is used.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support.
I guess I don't see your point here. I have never had an issue with the forums.
spencenaz wrote:
Compared to the documentation of other products like this I think its actually pretty good. I wish they would update it more often.
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
spencenaz wrote:
I think this really depends on the version, and the way it is set up on the server. The later versions are really pretty responsive. And if the server caching is set up right it gets faster the more the site is used.
I'm basing this on the performance of the dotnetnuke site. You'd think they would have a clue as far as tuning goes.
spencenaz wrote:
I guess I don't see your point here. I have never had an issue with the forums.
My point is that I posted a question three hours ago, and it's STILL not on the site because every post appears to be moderated. This also means you won't be able to call crap "crap" because they'll filter all the adverse comments out. That's certainly a good way to get feedback, yessiree.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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spencenaz wrote:
Compared to the documentation of other products like this I think its actually pretty good. I wish they would update it more often.
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
spencenaz wrote:
I think this really depends on the version, and the way it is set up on the server. The later versions are really pretty responsive. And if the server caching is set up right it gets faster the more the site is used.
I'm basing this on the performance of the dotnetnuke site. You'd think they would have a clue as far as tuning goes.
spencenaz wrote:
I guess I don't see your point here. I have never had an issue with the forums.
My point is that I posted a question three hours ago, and it's STILL not on the site because every post appears to be moderated. This also means you won't be able to call crap "crap" because they'll filter all the adverse comments out. That's certainly a good way to get feedback, yessiree.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
It used to be really easy. But they changed things around when .NET 2.0 came out then it became a real pig. They changed things and just didn't document them well. There are a few books and they do help, but when you find out how to set it up for development you'll want to scream and punch somebody. Seriously. Back in the beginning it looked really promising and then someone made a design descision from a padded room in an asylum somewhere - I can only think they were looking for friends to join them in that room.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
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The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What a pile of crap
Agree. But again, it is just a VB application - what do you expect? :)
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The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I'm quite pleased with it. Yes, the documentation is sub-standard, but that's par. Even for products you pay for. Performance seems ok, not great, but at least ok. Yeah, forum support, well, true. I can't argue there. Marc
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
It used to be really easy. But they changed things around when .NET 2.0 came out then it became a real pig. They changed things and just didn't document them well. There are a few books and they do help, but when you find out how to set it up for development you'll want to scream and punch somebody. Seriously. Back in the beginning it looked really promising and then someone made a design descision from a padded room in an asylum somewhere - I can only think they were looking for friends to join them in that room.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day. It used to be really easy. But they changed things around when .NET 2.0 came out then it became a real pig.
It's still pretty easy. There's a starter kit[^] you can install for visual studio. You do need to register and login to download it. All you need to do is create a new project using that template, follow the instructions it pops up, then hit f5. More or less.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
What a pile of crap
Agree. But again, it is just a VB application - what do you expect? :)
Nemanja Trifunovic wrote:
But again, it is just a VB application - what do you expect?
I expect that they will update to Dynamic VB :~
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16) :badger:
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day. It used to be really easy. But they changed things around when .NET 2.0 came out then it became a real pig.
It's still pretty easy. There's a starter kit[^] you can install for visual studio. You do need to register and login to download it. All you need to do is create a new project using that template, follow the instructions it pops up, then hit f5. More or less.
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All you need to do is create a new project using that template, follow the instructions it pops up, then hit f5. More or less.
Unless they've changed it significantly since version 4.0 then it is a pig. I have no time for sticking stuff in App_Code - even if I can get it to compile to its own DLL. I want to create my own damn projects that are divorced (decoupled) from the main web application so I can add them as needed to other solutions. I do not want to get it a big mess inside App_Code which is what it seemed to be forcing you to do, and I do not want to be forced into doing everything inside one project.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
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The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001If that's all you have to say about DNN then you plainly don't have enough experience with it. It gets worse. MUCH WORSE!
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day. It used to be really easy. But they changed things around when .NET 2.0 came out then it became a real pig.
It's still pretty easy. There's a starter kit[^] you can install for visual studio. You do need to register and login to download it. All you need to do is create a new project using that template, follow the instructions it pops up, then hit f5. More or less.
J
Make the logo biggerI tried using the "starter" kit, and the install merely copied the zip files to a Projects folder. Nothing else was done, and I didn't get their nifty little template icon in the IDE. So far, it's crap. So much for your claim of "just follow the directions". Oh yeah, the Installation guide is not available unless you backtrack to an older version of the crapware. Further, there's no mention of installing on a Vista box. I'm sure this has something to do with my repeated failure to load this crap on my system, but you'd never know it from the poorly maintained "documentation". It's crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
spencenaz wrote:
Compared to the documentation of other products like this I think its actually pretty good. I wish they would update it more often.
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
spencenaz wrote:
I think this really depends on the version, and the way it is set up on the server. The later versions are really pretty responsive. And if the server caching is set up right it gets faster the more the site is used.
I'm basing this on the performance of the dotnetnuke site. You'd think they would have a clue as far as tuning goes.
spencenaz wrote:
I guess I don't see your point here. I have never had an issue with the forums.
My point is that I posted a question three hours ago, and it's STILL not on the site because every post appears to be moderated. This also means you won't be able to call crap "crap" because they'll filter all the adverse comments out. That's certainly a good way to get feedback, yessiree.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
If it is such a pile of "crap" as you say, why would you even want to develop for it? Only flies congregate on "crap"
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
My point is that I posted a question three hours ago, and it's STILL not on the site because every post appears to be moderated. This also means you won't be able to call crap "crap" because they'll filter all the adverse comments out. That's certainly a good way to get feedback, yessiree.
Perhaps it's not the question, but the way you ask the question on the forum that is the problem. Try using some tact, if you have any. You call your self a programmer, so I am pretty sure if someone came to you asking about a program you wrote and calling it "crap" you'd be thrilled as well?
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If that's all you have to say about DNN then you plainly don't have enough experience with it. It gets worse. MUCH WORSE!
I know. It is a real pity as it had so much potential.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I STILL haven't found a description of how to set it up for development. I've been looking most of the day.
If it is such a pile of "crap" as you say, why would you even want to develop for it? Only flies congregate on "crap"
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
My point is that I posted a question three hours ago, and it's STILL not on the site because every post appears to be moderated. This also means you won't be able to call crap "crap" because they'll filter all the adverse comments out. That's certainly a good way to get feedback, yessiree.
Perhaps it's not the question, but the way you ask the question on the forum that is the problem. Try using some tact, if you have any. You call your self a programmer, so I am pretty sure if someone came to you asking about a program you wrote and calling it "crap" you'd be thrilled as well?
spencenaz wrote:
If it is such a pile of "crap" as you say, why would you even want to develop for it?
Believe me, it's not my choice, and if my boss had his way, we wouldn't be doing it. A more pointed response is - I DON'T want to develop for it.
spencenaz wrote:
Perhaps it's not the question, but the way you ask the question on the forum that is the problem.
You have no earthly clue about what I asked or how I asked it. My *point* was that the forums are moderated which inhibits productivity. Why don't you gop back to picking your nose in the corner. When a grown-up wants to hear from you, they'll smack you in the back of the head.
spencenaz wrote:
Try using some tact,
Try using your head for something other than sucking on someone's penile gland.
spencenaz wrote:
You call your self a programmer,
Yeah, what do you call yourself Sally?
spencenaz wrote:
so I am pretty sure if someone came to you asking about a program you wrote and calling it "crap" you'd be thrilled as well?
Any criticism about DNN is sure to fall afoul of the censors, so it's not likely it would ever see the light of day. However, here at CP, I can say anything I want about DNN and I know that as long as I don't call someone a really bad name, it'll be here forever. Of course, you're to stupid to realize the difference, so I guess we'll just leave it there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
spencenaz wrote:
If it is such a pile of "crap" as you say, why would you even want to develop for it?
Believe me, it's not my choice, and if my boss had his way, we wouldn't be doing it. A more pointed response is - I DON'T want to develop for it.
spencenaz wrote:
Perhaps it's not the question, but the way you ask the question on the forum that is the problem.
You have no earthly clue about what I asked or how I asked it. My *point* was that the forums are moderated which inhibits productivity. Why don't you gop back to picking your nose in the corner. When a grown-up wants to hear from you, they'll smack you in the back of the head.
spencenaz wrote:
Try using some tact,
Try using your head for something other than sucking on someone's penile gland.
spencenaz wrote:
You call your self a programmer,
Yeah, what do you call yourself Sally?
spencenaz wrote:
so I am pretty sure if someone came to you asking about a program you wrote and calling it "crap" you'd be thrilled as well?
Any criticism about DNN is sure to fall afoul of the censors, so it's not likely it would ever see the light of day. However, here at CP, I can say anything I want about DNN and I know that as long as I don't call someone a really bad name, it'll be here forever. Of course, you're to stupid to realize the difference, so I guess we'll just leave it there.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
The documentation is sub-standard, the performance is horrendous, and making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support. What a pile of crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support.
Well, the moderation is only for new people so that they do not fly off the handle and post a bunch of flaming junk in the forums. After you have been part of the community for a while, it is not longer moderated. As for performance, it works pretty well. They have really picked up the perfomance over the last several versions along with many security enhancements. DNN is an active project and over the last year has added a great deal of new features or cleaned up older ones. It is becoming a good stable product and by mostly developers that donate their time. These people have put a ton of work for FREE for several years now and have earned the respect most of us give them! It is a great project with many dedicated selfless developers behind it. If you really want to do anything with DNN, then put some time in to learning the system and become part of the community.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: www.TheWPFDirectory.com site launched! Latest Tech Blog Post: Vista ReadyBoost!
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
making their forums moderated is a very real detriment to productivity so much so that it renders them completely useless as an avenue of prompt community-driven support.
Well, the moderation is only for new people so that they do not fly off the handle and post a bunch of flaming junk in the forums. After you have been part of the community for a while, it is not longer moderated. As for performance, it works pretty well. They have really picked up the perfomance over the last several versions along with many security enhancements. DNN is an active project and over the last year has added a great deal of new features or cleaned up older ones. It is becoming a good stable product and by mostly developers that donate their time. These people have put a ton of work for FREE for several years now and have earned the respect most of us give them! It is a great project with many dedicated selfless developers behind it. If you really want to do anything with DNN, then put some time in to learning the system and become part of the community.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: www.TheWPFDirectory.com site launched! Latest Tech Blog Post: Vista ReadyBoost!
Rocky Moore wrote:
After you have been part of the community for a while, it is not longer moderated.
That's just bass-ackwards - the new people are the ones that need the most immediate help. And in case you didn't see it, it took them 15 hours to "moderate" my post, thus proving my original point.
Rocky Moore wrote:
If you really want to do anything with DNN, then put some time in to learning the system and become part of the community.
I'm just adding some proprietary modules. I'm not interested in DNN beyond that. And all that other stuff you said is all well and good, but if they had any brains at all, they would keep up on the documentation.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Rocky Moore wrote:
After you have been part of the community for a while, it is not longer moderated.
That's just bass-ackwards - the new people are the ones that need the most immediate help. And in case you didn't see it, it took them 15 hours to "moderate" my post, thus proving my original point.
Rocky Moore wrote:
If you really want to do anything with DNN, then put some time in to learning the system and become part of the community.
I'm just adding some proprietary modules. I'm not interested in DNN beyond that. And all that other stuff you said is all well and good, but if they had any brains at all, they would keep up on the documentation.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
That's just bass-ackwards - the new people are the ones that need the most immediate help. And in case you didn't see it, it took them 15 hours to "moderate" my post, thus proving my original point.
Well, people that have been there for a while usually are the the ones causing trouble. DNN could do with a lot of documentation other than the books that server people have put on on the subject, but the project has drastically changed over the last year or so and document seems to be the last kid on the block as many DNN'ers are too busy to get to that part (hard to force people to write/update docs when they are doing the work for free). There are a number of videos out there, both free and pay, but you have to dig. 15 hours is not too bad, over my first six months or so with DNN it some times took over a day to get them posted. It is not like they have people on salary to sit there and approve messages, if that were the case, they probably would not need moderations as there would be someone always watching out. At least when you visit the site you are not flooded with junk posts or spam, they keept he forums clean for the most part.
Rocky <>< Latest Code Blog Post: www.TheWPFDirectory.com site launched! Latest Tech Blog Post: Vista ReadyBoost!
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I tried using the "starter" kit, and the install merely copied the zip files to a Projects folder. Nothing else was done, and I didn't get their nifty little template icon in the IDE. So far, it's crap. So much for your claim of "just follow the directions". Oh yeah, the Installation guide is not available unless you backtrack to an older version of the crapware. Further, there's no mention of installing on a Vista box. I'm sure this has something to do with my repeated failure to load this crap on my system, but you'd never know it from the poorly maintained "documentation". It's crap.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I tried using the "starter" kit, and the install merely copied the zip files to a Projects folder. Nothing else was done, and I didn't get their nifty little template icon in the IDE. So far, it's crap.
Sorry, I hadn't tried the starter kit since about 4.1 or so. It worked then. It creates a new project template, not a file template. There are templates for creating modules too, but they suffer from some limitations (e.g. you have to do a little extra work to get "hello world" running). I won't deny there's a bit of a learning curve to getting DotNetNuke running, that's why I bought the book. (That's not actually the one I bought, it looks newer.) Personally I don't use it much these days because the modules weren't quite up to the level I needed for the project I was working on. They're better now I hear. To create your own portable modules is a little more work than a starter kit, but it's very possible. It takes a little digging but instructions for how to do it actually are in the documentation. I wouldn't write it off. A lot of people like it a lot, there must be a reason. Sharepoint might be more what you're looking for however.
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