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  • T Todd Smith

    All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

    (that is, 10x difference)

    If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

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    spencenaz
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    "If you were marooned on a island with the natives that are cannibals, and you had to program your way off the island, who would you want to be there to help you?" No one, because we would just argue about the best way to code ourselves off the island. :doh: Love programming, hate programmers. :)

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    • T Todd Smith

      My favorite for C++ was:

      #define private public

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      realJSOP
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      When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

      #define begin {
      #define end }

      "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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      • T Todd Smith

        All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

        (that is, 10x difference)

        If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

        Todd Smith

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        Marc Clifton
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        Todd Smith wrote:

        Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

        That's a two way street. I've worked with idiot developers where I've had to redo everything. Conversely, I've ended up in situations where my work has been redone because it was too complicated for the inhouse developers to understand and maintain. Different symptoms, same disease--bad management, no budget for design and documentation, etc. Marc

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        • G Gary R Wheeler

          I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with, at least at certain things. I'm not quite bastard enough to throw it in their faces, though. Except when it comes to GUI code. These guys suck, which they freely admit.


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          Miszou
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          Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

          I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with

          O rly?[^]


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          • T Todd Smith

            All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

            (that is, 10x difference)

            If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

            Todd Smith

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            Lost User
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            Todd Smith wrote:

            developers who had negative productivity

            hahahahahahaha Yes :mad:

            Why is common sense not common? Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level where they are an expert. Sometimes it takes a lot of work to be lazy The people in the lounge said I should google for the answer to a programming question but I do not know what search engine to use

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            • T Todd Smith

              All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

              (that is, 10x difference)

              If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

              Todd Smith

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              peterchen
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              A good programmer, on a good day, is ten times more productive than an average one. It's the managers job to make sure the programmer gas as many good days as possible.


              We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
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              • S spencenaz

                "If you were marooned on a island with the natives that are cannibals, and you had to program your way off the island, who would you want to be there to help you?" No one, because we would just argue about the best way to code ourselves off the island. :doh: Love programming, hate programmers. :)

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                Dave Kreskowiak
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                I'd want the dumbest idiot I could find. The native could eat him first, giving me more time to code my escape.

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                • realJSOPR realJSOP

                  When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                  #define begin {
                  #define end }

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                  -----
                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                  DavidNohejl
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                  I did that to mess with my C++ teacher :P


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                  • T Todd Smith

                    My favorite for C++ was:

                    #define private public

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                    JimmyRopes
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                    I once saw this in a program #define ever (;;) It was then used in a for statement for ever{ ... }

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                    • T Todd Smith

                      All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                      (that is, 10x difference)

                      If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                      Todd Smith

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                      code frog 0
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                      Maybe I'm in a bad mood (and I think that is the case) but that's a blog about absolutely nothing. You can say that about sandwich makers, barristas, wives, pilots, plumbers. Whoop! Whoop! Hey I've got one. The sky is blue! No seriously... go look!:-D

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                      • realJSOPR realJSOP

                        When we made the switch from pascal to C++, my boss wanted me to do this:

                        #define begin {
                        #define end }

                        "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
                        -----
                        "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                        Yeah, MACROs can be evil - that reminds me an amusing link: The Secret to Better C - Worse Than Failure[^]

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                        • T Todd Smith

                          All Programmers are not Created Equal[^]

                          (that is, 10x difference)

                          If that's the case then why aren't they getting paid 10x as much :confused: Have you ever had to work with one of those developers who had negative productivity? Most everything they wrote had to be redone and while they wrote it they required the assistance of other people thus taking up their time as well.

                          Todd Smith

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                          WillemM
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                          It happend to me once, but that developer got kicked out within two weeks. The project was trashed nonetheless, but the damages were kept within an acceptable range.

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                          • P peterchen

                            A good programmer, on a good day, is ten times more productive than an average one. It's the managers job to make sure the programmer gas as many good days as possible.


                            We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
                            My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighist

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                            peterchen wrote:

                            managers job to make sure the programmer gas ...

                            Guess they could supply free beans for lunch every day :)

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                            • M Miszou

                              Gary R. Wheeler wrote:

                              I know I'm a better programmer than a lot of the people I've worked with

                              O rly?[^]


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                              Gary R Wheeler
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                              Well, since I've never worked with Mr. Dunning or Mr. Kruger, I don't know what their code is like.


                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                              • G Gary R Wheeler

                                Todd Smith wrote:

                                one of those developers who had negative productivity

                                Yes, I did. The guy actually created negative progress wherever he worked. His programming was so bad (crowd: "how bad was it?"), you didn't want to read it. You certainly didn't want to talk to him about it, because he could endlessly justify the ineptly Byzantine way he did things. Here's an example:

                                #define void int

                                That was to fix "a bug in the compiler" :wtf:.


                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                *whimper*

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