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You know what... I already got in trouble for being an idiot in here. Now I'm getting coloured out for asking about browsers? Are you guys developers or stunters? I relax outside. Clearly the lounge is where the riff raff assemble. Do you only have a few centimetres when behind a screen?
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You know what... I already got in trouble for being an idiot in here. Now I'm getting coloured out for asking about browsers? Are you guys developers or stunters? I relax outside. Clearly the lounge is where the riff raff assemble. Do you only have a few centimetres when behind a screen?
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That colour is a shade of black. Which isn't a colour. If you like colour you'd go red. Or orange. Or yellow..... Or need I go on? A rainbow is colourfuLL this is a ... well, whatever. I'm glad I like typing. Keeps the fingers nimble.
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You know what... I already got in trouble for being an idiot in here. Now I'm getting coloured out for asking about browsers? Are you guys developers or stunters? I relax outside. Clearly the lounge is where the riff raff assemble. Do you only have a few centimetres when behind a screen?
I really don't understand the voting system here - you post something innocuos or genuine and moments later someone votes you a one for no good reason. And there's only so many times you'll buy that "it was an accident" excuse :)
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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You know what... I already got in trouble for being an idiot in here. Now I'm getting coloured out for asking about browsers? Are you guys developers or stunters? I relax outside. Clearly the lounge is where the riff raff assemble. Do you only have a few centimetres when behind a screen?
Well, what I want to know is what you did with the real Bianca. (and for you CPian's that haven't noticed, there are now too Bianca's, and this one has stuck an H in his/her name). Smells of troll to me. Marc
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I really don't understand the voting system here - you post something innocuos or genuine and moments later someone votes you a one for no good reason. And there's only so many times you'll buy that "it was an accident" excuse :)
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
Thank you Martin. I can now pack up my THINKPAD in confidence and know that I can move along and be confident that the majority of brilliance I met here continues. Thank you again. Don't blush. Hef.
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I really don't understand the voting system here - you post something innocuos or genuine and moments later someone votes you a one for no good reason. And there's only so many times you'll buy that "it was an accident" excuse :)
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
Without saying how I personally feel about it, my observation is that people often vote the person, so if they have decided to vote someone low based on past action, they'll keep voting that person low anywhere they can. As I said to someone yesterday, ultimately my position is to not really care too much about people who vote low without offering a comment.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Without saying how I personally feel about it, my observation is that people often vote the person, so if they have decided to vote someone low based on past action, they'll keep voting that person low anywhere they can. As I said to someone yesterday, ultimately my position is to not really care too much about people who vote low without offering a comment.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Probably a sensible attitude - I've taken to not bothering to vote at all, unless it's a poisitve vote on an article I found particularly informative/useful.
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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Without saying how I personally feel about it, my observation is that people often vote the person, so if they have decided to vote someone low based on past action, they'll keep voting that person low anywhere they can. As I said to someone yesterday, ultimately my position is to not really care too much about people who vote low without offering a comment.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Yea, I've heard this too, meh, oh well, what can you do?
-Gatsby
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Probably a sensible attitude - I've taken to not bothering to vote at all, unless it's a poisitve vote on an article I found particularly informative/useful.
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
More power to you. That's my style too, but you know... some people... I don't let that kind of thing bug me anyway.
-Gatsby
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That colour is a shade of black. Which isn't a colour. If you like colour you'd go red. Or orange. Or yellow..... Or need I go on? A rainbow is colourfuLL this is a ... well, whatever. I'm glad I like typing. Keeps the fingers nimble.
Bianca M Whylie wrote:
That colour is a shade of black.
actually, unless you are drawing your webpages with paint, its a shade of white. lack of all color is black with light, with paint, lack of color is white. :) of course if you notice at the end of the browser thread, you could be drawing your webpages.... keeps the hands in shape.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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You know what... I already got in trouble for being an idiot in here. Now I'm getting coloured out for asking about browsers? Are you guys developers or stunters? I relax outside. Clearly the lounge is where the riff raff assemble. Do you only have a few centimetres when behind a screen?
I thought all your posts automagically turn to that nice shade of gray. Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
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I thought all your posts automagically turn to that nice shade of gray. Mark
Mark Salsbery Microsoft MVP - Visual C++ :java:
Mark Salsbery wrote:
automagically turn to that nice shade of gray
something growing on them?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Bianca M Whylie wrote:
That colour is a shade of black.
actually, unless you are drawing your webpages with paint, its a shade of white. lack of all color is black with light, with paint, lack of color is white. :) of course if you notice at the end of the browser thread, you could be drawing your webpages.... keeps the hands in shape.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
so if i paint nothing on black paper it magically becomes white? i think you're confusing painting with RGB or CMYK colour spaces.....
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Mark Salsbery wrote:
automagically turn to that nice shade of gray
something growing on them?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
if you have a look around the internet you can get magic mushroom spaws which you inject in to a post, but they go a sort of mushroomy colour unless you get the really far out ones, which could be any colour!
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so if i paint nothing on black paper it magically becomes white? i think you're confusing painting with RGB or CMYK colour spaces.....
barney_parker wrote:
so if i paint nothing on black paper it magically becomes white?
no, it is a statement of pigmentation. If your paper has no pigment (color) it is white. You can have pigment in the paper in which case it is not white. You can also strip a paper of its pigmentation (bleaching) which leaves the paper white. Paint doesn't magically become white, but white is the base from which other colors are built by mixing pigments, white is not considered a "color" by the definition because it lacks pigmentation. Mixing the three main colors RGB in pigments gets you basically a black (this is actually difficult in experimentation because pigments aren't usually absolutely perfect -- but you will get near it). In art school you learn how to mix pigments and the colors you get from them. Then in computer school you get to toss that out, because you are now dealing with light. The base of light colors is black, or better: the lack of light since black isn't a true color in light (it is only the absence of color as white was with pigmentation). Sorry I explained it poorly, does it make more sense now?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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barney_parker wrote:
so if i paint nothing on black paper it magically becomes white?
no, it is a statement of pigmentation. If your paper has no pigment (color) it is white. You can have pigment in the paper in which case it is not white. You can also strip a paper of its pigmentation (bleaching) which leaves the paper white. Paint doesn't magically become white, but white is the base from which other colors are built by mixing pigments, white is not considered a "color" by the definition because it lacks pigmentation. Mixing the three main colors RGB in pigments gets you basically a black (this is actually difficult in experimentation because pigments aren't usually absolutely perfect -- but you will get near it). In art school you learn how to mix pigments and the colors you get from them. Then in computer school you get to toss that out, because you are now dealing with light. The base of light colors is black, or better: the lack of light since black isn't a true color in light (it is only the absence of color as white was with pigmentation). Sorry I explained it poorly, does it make more sense now?
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
hang on, White is not a colour because it lacks pigmentation, yet you add pigments to get white? It's not about computer, or paint. All colours are about light. it's only about whether you are using an additive colour space (such as RGB) or subtractive (such as CMYK). The reason Black and white are not considered colours is nothing to do with pigments, which are in fact agents used within paints (among other things) to provide colours. They are not considered colours because you add (or subtract depending on your colour space). as you say, black is the lack of light, and white only exists as a maximum blend of all colours OR as the inverse of Black. I've never been to Art school, but i have argued the point endlessly with my childerens teacher, Red Green and Blue are Primary. If you choose to work in an inverse colour space, it's Cyan, Magenta and Yellow. At no time in the history of the universe has Red Yellow and Blue been primary!!! Edit: To prove the point, open MS Paint, put some pure red, green and Blue blobs on the page, then invert.....Cyan, Magenta and Yellow appear!!!
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hang on, White is not a colour because it lacks pigmentation, yet you add pigments to get white? It's not about computer, or paint. All colours are about light. it's only about whether you are using an additive colour space (such as RGB) or subtractive (such as CMYK). The reason Black and white are not considered colours is nothing to do with pigments, which are in fact agents used within paints (among other things) to provide colours. They are not considered colours because you add (or subtract depending on your colour space). as you say, black is the lack of light, and white only exists as a maximum blend of all colours OR as the inverse of Black. I've never been to Art school, but i have argued the point endlessly with my childerens teacher, Red Green and Blue are Primary. If you choose to work in an inverse colour space, it's Cyan, Magenta and Yellow. At no time in the history of the universe has Red Yellow and Blue been primary!!! Edit: To prove the point, open MS Paint, put some pure red, green and Blue blobs on the page, then invert.....Cyan, Magenta and Yellow appear!!!
barney_parker wrote:
yet you add pigments to get white?
no, you remove pigments. As you said, inverse color space. With paint you are dealing with reflective color, or what is absorbed/not absorbed by the material. Pigmentation changes light reflectance, light is white, but if you see red then other light values were removed, inverse. If no pigmentation of the materia occurs, then little light is absorbed. You are correct, I mispoke, CMY is the correct mixture for black in paint. sorry.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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barney_parker wrote:
yet you add pigments to get white?
no, you remove pigments. As you said, inverse color space. With paint you are dealing with reflective color, or what is absorbed/not absorbed by the material. Pigmentation changes light reflectance, light is white, but if you see red then other light values were removed, inverse. If no pigmentation of the materia occurs, then little light is absorbed. You are correct, I mispoke, CMY is the correct mixture for black in paint. sorry.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
pigment n. A substance used as coloring. Dry coloring matter, usually an insoluble powder, to be mixed with water, oil, or another base to produce. So the worlds Pigment and paint are interchangable really....so absorbtion / reflection are opposite sides of the same coin... light is never white, your eye has receptors for red green and blue (excluding the Mono receptors, hence the K in CMYK).... it takes all three to make white.... I think we're arguing the same point from different perspectives.... I see it from the light perspective, you see it from the absorb / reflect perspective. It seems we're arguing the oposite of each other, but we are in fact agreeing strongly!