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AlexCode wrote:
to be vanished from the face ... of the earth
I heard that object oriented COBOL is coming. It's going to be called wait for it COBOL PLUS PLUS. Now I'm sorry I did that. I'm just sick about it. X|
How about Visual Cobol. Some vendor was giving out Visual COBOL CDs at the VSLive SF 2001 event. Mine is still floating around here somewhere. I even loaded it long enough to look at it. At the time I was working on a VB interface for an AS400. While I currently use VB 2005, I spent too many years doing too many really cool things with VB (3 through 6) to ever run it down. jgasm - You've got to keep up your spirits. I went through a downsizing 2 years ago. I know how depressing the idea of looking for work (at age 58) can be. Don't be shy about looking for work out of town. Tele-commuting is a very viable option these days.
Tom Garth Developer R. L. Nelson and Associates, Inc., Virginia
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How about Visual Cobol. Some vendor was giving out Visual COBOL CDs at the VSLive SF 2001 event. Mine is still floating around here somewhere. I even loaded it long enough to look at it. At the time I was working on a VB interface for an AS400. While I currently use VB 2005, I spent too many years doing too many really cool things with VB (3 through 6) to ever run it down. jgasm - You've got to keep up your spirits. I went through a downsizing 2 years ago. I know how depressing the idea of looking for work (at age 58) can be. Don't be shy about looking for work out of town. Tele-commuting is a very viable option these days.
Tom Garth Developer R. L. Nelson and Associates, Inc., Virginia
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TomGarth wrote:
jgasm - You've got to keep up your spirits.
What he said! I too have been through a similar situation. I had the best job in the world. Then one day, "Oh by the way, today's your last day." I knew they had no more work for me, but I didn't expect it quite that soon. Second, I hope you realize I wasn't "running down" VB. I actually took a class in VB.NET (paid for by the state, while I was unemployed as mentioned above.) The real reason I took it was to learn about VB6, but nobody seemed to be offering classes on it by then.
TomGarth wrote:
Visual COBOL CD ... floating around here somewhere
I hope it's the refrigerator so it doesn't start to stink up the place. :laugh:
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First and foremost:
TomGarth wrote:
jgasm - You've got to keep up your spirits.
What he said! I too have been through a similar situation. I had the best job in the world. Then one day, "Oh by the way, today's your last day." I knew they had no more work for me, but I didn't expect it quite that soon. Second, I hope you realize I wasn't "running down" VB. I actually took a class in VB.NET (paid for by the state, while I was unemployed as mentioned above.) The real reason I took it was to learn about VB6, but nobody seemed to be offering classes on it by then.
TomGarth wrote:
Visual COBOL CD ... floating around here somewhere
I hope it's the refrigerator so it doesn't start to stink up the place. :laugh:
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Well I believe it's because right now there are 2 headquarters and they are trying to make it into 1 headquarters. And since the other "headquarters" involved all of the vp's and ceo's...you get the idea ;)
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AlexCode wrote:
COBOL is a 1950's language (27 years before I was born) and created by a mid 40's woman, that I don't remember the name (Grace I think)
Grace Murray Hopper: someone told that Cobol was so verbose because a woman invented it! To be honest, Cobol has done a great job, back in the hard times; still, I sometimes always dream of a Cobol-free world, but I know I'll never see that day. At least, I would be happy if the Cobol-legacy (way of thinking) got out of the way (I could start another thread: how many people do you know write program with an Object-Oriented Language and a Procedural Mentality?, but I don't really want to)
AlexCode wrote:
remember our unemployed pall?
I don't mean to be rude, but... my first message was actually adressed to him... also. Er, yes, my other messages replied to the VB6 vs Cobol quotes, but I haven't forgotten. I do apologize if I offended someone, jgasm in first place, or looked like I didn't care: I didn't mean to.
Marco Turrini
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AlexCode wrote:
to be vanished from the face ... of the earth
I heard that object oriented COBOL is coming. It's going to be called wait for it COBOL PLUS PLUS. Now I'm sorry I did that. I'm just sick about it. X|
This is becoming a COBOL thread but here it goes: http://home.swbell.net/mck9/cobol/ooc/ooc.html Hurts my fingers to publish this link... X| You may also get nasty about this one (COBOL on .net): http://www.dotnetheaven.com/Articles/ArticleListing.aspx?SectionID=16 Shouldn't it be easier to learn a new good OO language instead of reinventing the wheel on some prehistoric concept? What should be worst: * Converting COBOL code to another language (I don't mean reverse engineer it, grab the business logic and recode the whole thing)? * Recompile it somehow (thinking that this OO version is somehow backwards compatible) with a OO facelift compiler but stay in the mud? I don't know... this seems like a very few group of people trying not to loose their jobs and keep earning too much money developing and patching restrictive, but most very important, software. I think this deserves a new thread...
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This is becoming a COBOL thread but here it goes: http://home.swbell.net/mck9/cobol/ooc/ooc.html Hurts my fingers to publish this link... X| You may also get nasty about this one (COBOL on .net): http://www.dotnetheaven.com/Articles/ArticleListing.aspx?SectionID=16 Shouldn't it be easier to learn a new good OO language instead of reinventing the wheel on some prehistoric concept? What should be worst: * Converting COBOL code to another language (I don't mean reverse engineer it, grab the business logic and recode the whole thing)? * Recompile it somehow (thinking that this OO version is somehow backwards compatible) with a OO facelift compiler but stay in the mud? I don't know... this seems like a very few group of people trying not to loose their jobs and keep earning too much money developing and patching restrictive, but most very important, software. I think this deserves a new thread...
Thanks for the URLs. I looked at both of them. The first one was quite interesting. Much like rubbernecking at a car crash is interesting. I especially liked the little rhinoceros. Guess he couldn't find a brontosaurus.
AlexCode wrote:
You may also get nasty about this one
Far be it from me to get nasty. I'm allowed to call her Janet. :laugh:
AlexCode wrote:
Shouldn't it be easier to learn a new good OO language instead of reinventing the wheel on some prehistoric concept?
I think so too.
AlexCode wrote:
group of people trying not to loose their jobs and keep earning too much money developing and patching restrictive, but most very important, software.
I suppose they had to do something after saving the world from Y2K! BDF
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J.O.B. (Just Over Broke) Scam alert! (Amway, Quixtar, Alticor - whatever they're calling it now). Tell Dex he can shove it where the sun don't shine. -CB
CodeBubba wrote:
Scam alert! (Amway, Quixtar, Alticor - whatever they're calling it now).
Hmm.... I don't know about those things. But, I do feel that a way about a job. But if you are happy chasing dollars, more power to you.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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CodeBubba wrote:
Scam alert! (Amway, Quixtar, Alticor - whatever they're calling it now).
Hmm.... I don't know about those things. But, I do feel that a way about a job. But if you are happy chasing dollars, more power to you.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
Hmm.... I don't know about those things. But, I do feel that a way about a job. But if you are happy chasing dollars, more power to you.
I'm not chasing dollars - the folks that make those J.O.B. quotes certainly are. Sorry if I misunderstood. That is a HEAVILY over-used phrase in those get-rich-quick schemes. If you feel that way about your job then you have the wrong job. -CB
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Chris Austin wrote:
Hmm.... I don't know about those things. But, I do feel that a way about a job. But if you are happy chasing dollars, more power to you.
I'm not chasing dollars - the folks that make those J.O.B. quotes certainly are. Sorry if I misunderstood. That is a HEAVILY over-used phrase in those get-rich-quick schemes. If you feel that way about your job then you have the wrong job. -CB
CodeBubba wrote:
If you feel that way about your job then you have the wrong job.
I felt that way about every job I ever had even when I loved my co-workers and boss. I hated the idea that they exerted any amount of influence over my finical well being. It's not that I don't love working in a team, in fact I think it brings out the best in people in certain circumstances. I now own a few businesses that at first had me not sleeping for days at a time. It was hard and I nearly gave up more than once. It most certainly was not "get rich quick." I learned to automate them and gave up some control and money and hired contractors. I now spend about 15 hours a week tops running these operations and really enjoy life. It's not fool proof but nothing in life is. My point is, my income and family's well-being do not depend on a single income source or employment.
CodeBubba wrote:
That is a HEAVILY over-used phrase in those get-rich-quick schemes.
I looked them up. It looks like they are direct sales organizations. I don't know if they are schemes but they aren't something I'd be interested in.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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Thanks for the URLs. I looked at both of them. The first one was quite interesting. Much like rubbernecking at a car crash is interesting. I especially liked the little rhinoceros. Guess he couldn't find a brontosaurus.
AlexCode wrote:
You may also get nasty about this one
Far be it from me to get nasty. I'm allowed to call her Janet. :laugh:
AlexCode wrote:
Shouldn't it be easier to learn a new good OO language instead of reinventing the wheel on some prehistoric concept?
I think so too.
AlexCode wrote:
group of people trying not to loose their jobs and keep earning too much money developing and patching restrictive, but most very important, software.
I suppose they had to do something after saving the world from Y2K! BDF
Big Daddy Farang wrote:
I suppose they had to do something after saving the world from Y2K!
That is one more proof that the damn thing should be dead. It wasn't even design to pass the year 2000! Imagine the faith that Grace had on her language! :laugh:
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Hey! I was kidding! I didn't mean to punish or something. After all... this is a lounge... how often do you sit on a sofa, with a bunch of friends, and end-up speaking about the starting issue :p Cheers!
Hoops, I was kidding too!!! I'm sorry if my English rendered badly my intentions: if I were really offended by you (or someone else) I would have reached and punched you to death :laugh: (Again, I'm kidding of course). I know this is a relaxed area, I just wanted to add a little (just a little!) pepper to our conversation; maybe I added too much: if you ever happen to come to Milan (Italy), I'll pay you a beer as a compensation. Am I forgiven? Prosit!
Marco Turrini
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Marco Turrini wrote:
VB6 (2000), then went into VB.NET realm (2002), now I'm (slowly and carefully) studying C#... And I'm proud of the fact that I'm already able to read C++ source code and understand most of it!
Now you know how Darth Vader felt when he turned away from the dark side and defeat the Emperor.
Hope is the negation of reality - Raistlin Majere
I don't know why but, when thinking at myself, Garfield comes to my mind, much more than Dart Vader: maybe because he's fat, hungry, lazy?
Marco Turrini
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Hoops, I was kidding too!!! I'm sorry if my English rendered badly my intentions: if I were really offended by you (or someone else) I would have reached and punched you to death :laugh: (Again, I'm kidding of course). I know this is a relaxed area, I just wanted to add a little (just a little!) pepper to our conversation; maybe I added too much: if you ever happen to come to Milan (Italy), I'll pay you a beer as a compensation. Am I forgiven? Prosit!
Marco Turrini
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CodeBubba wrote:
If you feel that way about your job then you have the wrong job.
I felt that way about every job I ever had even when I loved my co-workers and boss. I hated the idea that they exerted any amount of influence over my finical well being. It's not that I don't love working in a team, in fact I think it brings out the best in people in certain circumstances. I now own a few businesses that at first had me not sleeping for days at a time. It was hard and I nearly gave up more than once. It most certainly was not "get rich quick." I learned to automate them and gave up some control and money and hired contractors. I now spend about 15 hours a week tops running these operations and really enjoy life. It's not fool proof but nothing in life is. My point is, my income and family's well-being do not depend on a single income source or employment.
CodeBubba wrote:
That is a HEAVILY over-used phrase in those get-rich-quick schemes.
I looked them up. It looks like they are direct sales organizations. I don't know if they are schemes but they aren't something I'd be interested in.
My Blog A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
Chris Austin wrote:
My point is, my income and family's well-being do not depend on a single income source or employment.
That's good that you've been able to work yourself into that situation. I worked independently as a consultant for about five years myself. Yes, it was nice to be able to not run in to the "office" every day - but the down side of it was that I always had to chase my money. After doing top-flight work there would be some situations where the clients delayed payment because of internal problems (nothing to do with me). It didn't matter that I needed the money. What I found was that instead of one boss I had several. Just not for me. As it is now I've worked my way into a situation within a company where I'm the "guru" of a critical section of our product. I pretty much call the shots when it comes to how development on this part of the product goes so it's very low stress now.
Chris Austin wrote:
I looked them up. It looks like they are direct sales organizations. I don't know if they are schemes but they aren't something I'd be interested in.
Yeah, Direct-Sales - Network Marketing - MLM. Most of 'em a bunch of scams. If you want to study it further check this out: http://www.merchantsofdeception.com/[^] -CB
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my department is being boxed and shipped to another city i have no future. X|
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jgasm, I have experienced job change many times over. Sometimes it was imposed on me, and sometimes I imposed it on myself. Each time was better than the last. Each time I learned new things and made new acquaintances (read that as 'contacts'). Sometimes I made more money. Sometimes I wrote in languages that I would rather have been writing in. Eventually, I got my dream job. But it may not last either, but I don't fear it. I expect it. I embrace it. I look forward to it. Don't fret. Just because you may not see it, doesn't mean it's not there. Old programmers never die, they just wrap around.