Leckey - Blu-Ray Blues
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jcdevnet wrote:
by no means do I imply that John Simmons has a husband
Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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martin_hughes wrote:
For the most part DVD is good enough
On my current equipment that is true.
martin_hughes wrote:
given the populrity of low quality dvd rip torrents out there that people are prepared to watch
But you get what you pay for.
martin_hughes wrote:
What users really want is to download high quality content
Well, at my current connection speed it would be quicker for me to go to my local supermarket and back than download a high-quality movie. And I like having the discs. I know it is mine and I can watch it at any time. I know that if money is tight I can sell it on eBay. I can't do that with a download.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
On my current equipment that is true.
Yup, the Human Eyeball Mk 1.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But you get what you pay for.
If you paid for a film and for the most of the showing some bloke with a massive afro was sitting in font of you, you'd be right narked. Just like the last time I went to the cinema :)
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Well, at my current connection speed it would be quicker for me to go to my local supermarket and back than download a high-quality movie. And I like having the discs. I know it is mine and I can watch it at any time. I know that if money is tight I can sell it on eBay. I can't do that with a download.
The infrastructure, and hence download speeds, will improve over time - I can't believe that only 5 years ago I was happy with a 56k modem, and now I'm on a 20 meg down stream! - so sooner or later it will be quicker to download. I'm not sold on the notion of "high" quality DVD's. The fact that in the HD-DVD version of King Kong I can see the hairs moving on his arms doesn't detract from the fact that it was, and remains, a bad movie. No film improves with better visuals; take "The Third Man" starring Orson Wells for example: the black and white version is far, far, superior to the "colorized" version. Owning something tangible is always nice. Except the movie industry really don't want you to own anything, and before long you'll find that lobbying groups get laws passed that prevent you from selling your music and other stuff - they'll argue that you can't sell those discs because they're not yours to sell. And if you think this is far fetched, I have a story to tell you: A few years ago I had Tomb Raider on the Playstation. Unfortunately my 2 year old niece got hold of the disc and decided to chew on it, rendering it unusable. After consulting the T&C's I phoned Eidos to explain to them what had happened, and given that I had actually bought the right to play the game, and not the physical disc, would they kindly send me a fresh copy? They told me to eff off (in politer terms :) ), and to go back to the retailer who had sold me the disc. WHSmith's denied all responisibilty, even afer I had used my most persausive powers and told me that under the law my contract was with the manufacturer, and since the disc had clearly been abused probably wouldn't be covered under
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
On my current equipment that is true.
Yup, the Human Eyeball Mk 1.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But you get what you pay for.
If you paid for a film and for the most of the showing some bloke with a massive afro was sitting in font of you, you'd be right narked. Just like the last time I went to the cinema :)
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Well, at my current connection speed it would be quicker for me to go to my local supermarket and back than download a high-quality movie. And I like having the discs. I know it is mine and I can watch it at any time. I know that if money is tight I can sell it on eBay. I can't do that with a download.
The infrastructure, and hence download speeds, will improve over time - I can't believe that only 5 years ago I was happy with a 56k modem, and now I'm on a 20 meg down stream! - so sooner or later it will be quicker to download. I'm not sold on the notion of "high" quality DVD's. The fact that in the HD-DVD version of King Kong I can see the hairs moving on his arms doesn't detract from the fact that it was, and remains, a bad movie. No film improves with better visuals; take "The Third Man" starring Orson Wells for example: the black and white version is far, far, superior to the "colorized" version. Owning something tangible is always nice. Except the movie industry really don't want you to own anything, and before long you'll find that lobbying groups get laws passed that prevent you from selling your music and other stuff - they'll argue that you can't sell those discs because they're not yours to sell. And if you think this is far fetched, I have a story to tell you: A few years ago I had Tomb Raider on the Playstation. Unfortunately my 2 year old niece got hold of the disc and decided to chew on it, rendering it unusable. After consulting the T&C's I phoned Eidos to explain to them what had happened, and given that I had actually bought the right to play the game, and not the physical disc, would they kindly send me a fresh copy? They told me to eff off (in politer terms :) ), and to go back to the retailer who had sold me the disc. WHSmith's denied all responisibilty, even afer I had used my most persausive powers and told me that under the law my contract was with the manufacturer, and since the disc had clearly been abused probably wouldn't be covered under
martin_hughes wrote:
Yup, the Human Eyeball Mk 1.
No. My eye is capable of greater resolution than my 625-line TV set is capable of producing. I've watched the same program on my TV and my sister's fiancée's HD TV (with a proper HD source) and there is a significant improvement.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
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martin_hughes wrote:
Yup, the Human Eyeball Mk 1.
No. My eye is capable of greater resolution than my 625-line TV set is capable of producing. I've watched the same program on my TV and my sister's fiancée's HD TV (with a proper HD source) and there is a significant improvement.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
But did it improve your enjoyment of said program?
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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But did it improve your enjoyment of said program?
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
martin_hughes wrote:
But did it improve your enjoyment of said program?
It was a nature documentary, so yes it did. However, I do realise that it won't make crapola like King Kong any better. But if you have a good film already, it can add that little extra.
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martin_hughes wrote:
But did it improve your enjoyment of said program?
It was a nature documentary, so yes it did. However, I do realise that it won't make crapola like King Kong any better. But if you have a good film already, it can add that little extra.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But if you have a good film already, it can add that little extra.
You see I don't think it does add value, which is probably why Laser Disc never took off as a format - alright, they were LP sized discs and not exactly easy to store, but as I remeber it Ray Harryhausen once said something akin to "we never expected people to watch the film in freeze frame - no wonder they can see the wires!"
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But if you have a good film already, it can add that little extra.
You see I don't think it does add value, which is probably why Laser Disc never took off as a format - alright, they were LP sized discs and not exactly easy to store, but as I remeber it Ray Harryhausen once said something akin to "we never expected people to watch the film in freeze frame - no wonder they can see the wires!"
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
I never could see the value in a device that could carry 10,000 songs around when you could get one that could take a few hundred or so, but the masses have proven me wrong. I can see a difference between the HD format and the standard one. This thread reminds me of the time many years ago when I built my first stereo and proudly showed it off to my father. To me it was great - I put on a James Taylor record (no flames please), and if I closed my eyes I could imagine him sitting just over there strumming his guitar. Dad's comment was "so you like all those tinny high frequencies do you?". My prediction - If there is a noticeable improvement in quality at an affordable price the masses will go for it - even if only to keep up with the Jonses.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
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They're both dead formats, and have been since inception. For the most part DVD is good enough - often better than good enough, given the populrity of low quality dvd rip torrents out there that people are prepared to watch. What users really want is to download high quality content, not to ponce off down to the video store to buy a thin layer of metal encased in plastic.
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
Normally I'd agree but I just bought the multi disk Planet Earth set and I'd watch that again and again and am glad I don't have to pay for bandwidth charges to do so. But aside from that I think it's way past time that we have to go to a store and bring something physical home to watch a movie. I just saw and ad the other day on TV for a service in the US where you can download movies to your computer or rent the physical cd so I guess it's finally happening.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
On my current equipment that is true.
Yup, the Human Eyeball Mk 1.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But you get what you pay for.
If you paid for a film and for the most of the showing some bloke with a massive afro was sitting in font of you, you'd be right narked. Just like the last time I went to the cinema :)
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Well, at my current connection speed it would be quicker for me to go to my local supermarket and back than download a high-quality movie. And I like having the discs. I know it is mine and I can watch it at any time. I know that if money is tight I can sell it on eBay. I can't do that with a download.
The infrastructure, and hence download speeds, will improve over time - I can't believe that only 5 years ago I was happy with a 56k modem, and now I'm on a 20 meg down stream! - so sooner or later it will be quicker to download. I'm not sold on the notion of "high" quality DVD's. The fact that in the HD-DVD version of King Kong I can see the hairs moving on his arms doesn't detract from the fact that it was, and remains, a bad movie. No film improves with better visuals; take "The Third Man" starring Orson Wells for example: the black and white version is far, far, superior to the "colorized" version. Owning something tangible is always nice. Except the movie industry really don't want you to own anything, and before long you'll find that lobbying groups get laws passed that prevent you from selling your music and other stuff - they'll argue that you can't sell those discs because they're not yours to sell. And if you think this is far fetched, I have a story to tell you: A few years ago I had Tomb Raider on the Playstation. Unfortunately my 2 year old niece got hold of the disc and decided to chew on it, rendering it unusable. After consulting the T&C's I phoned Eidos to explain to them what had happened, and given that I had actually bought the right to play the game, and not the physical disc, would they kindly send me a fresh copy? They told me to eff off (in politer terms :) ), and to go back to the retailer who had sold me the disc. WHSmith's denied all responisibilty, even afer I had used my most persausive powers and told me that under the law my contract was with the manufacturer, and since the disc had clearly been abused probably wouldn't be covered under
martin_hughes wrote:
If you paid for a film and for the most of the showing some bloke with a massive afro was sitting in font of you, you'd be right narked. Just like the last time I went to the cinema
Sounds just like the last time i've been to a movie :laugh::laugh::((
martin_hughes wrote:
take "The Third Man" starring Orson Wells for example: the black and white version is far, far, superior
Citizen Cane (also starring Orson Welles) is a great movie as well. It seems that there are times when color detracts from the movie's plotline and takes away the art of it. It's a pitty that not many directors realize that nowadays. Roswell
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
But if you have a good film already, it can add that little extra.
You see I don't think it does add value, which is probably why Laser Disc never took off as a format - alright, they were LP sized discs and not exactly easy to store, but as I remeber it Ray Harryhausen once said something akin to "we never expected people to watch the film in freeze frame - no wonder they can see the wires!"
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
martin_hughes wrote:
Ray Harryhausen once said something akin to "we never expected people to watch the film in freeze frame - no wonder they can see the wires!"
Well they do now because some directors deliberately put stuff in to be found by freeze frame.
-- Always write code as if the maintenance programmer were an axe murderer who knows where you live. Upcoming FREE developer events: * Glasgow: Agile in the Enterprise Vs. ISVs, Mock Objects, SQL Server CLR Integration, Reporting Services, db4o ... * Reading: SQL Bits My website
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They're both dead formats, and have been since inception. For the most part DVD is good enough - often better than good enough, given the populrity of low quality dvd rip torrents out there that people are prepared to watch. What users really want is to download high quality content, not to ponce off down to the video store to buy a thin layer of metal encased in plastic.
"It was the day before today.... I remember it like it was yesterday." -Moleman
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Normally I'd agree but I just bought the multi disk Planet Earth set and I'd watch that again and again and am glad I don't have to pay for bandwidth charges to do so. But aside from that I think it's way past time that we have to go to a store and bring something physical home to watch a movie. I just saw and ad the other day on TV for a service in the US where you can download movies to your computer or rent the physical cd so I guess it's finally happening.
"I don't want more choice. I just want better things!" - Edina Monsoon
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Not too worried about it until they quit making standard DVDs. Then I might complain if HD-DVD becomes the standard over Blu-Ray -- maybe. Or I'll just get an HD-DVD player -- which by then will be nearly as inexpensive as a standard DVD, heh. Format wars suck... Flynn
If we can't corrupt the youth of today,
the adults of tomorrow will be no fun...Flynn Arrowstarr wrote:
which by then will be nearly as inexpensive as a standard DVD, heh.
I'm not planning on buying one until they're price competitive either. On the rare occasions when I watch a movie I do it on my PC and at 1600x1200 the compression artifacts are rather noticeable. That said I don't watch movies frequently enough to accept anything other than a minor price hit on the hardware.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
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Looks like Blu-Ray took one on the chin - Paramount has gone exclusively to the HD-DVD side. That makes it three major studios that are exclusive for each format, with a bunch being neutral. A couple of (undoubtedly) agenda-laced factoids: 1) HD-DVD stand-alone players are also outselling Blu-Ray stand-alones, and the lead is growing as a result of the Paramount announcement (Amazon's sales figures) 2) There's a big upsurge in HD-DVD movie purchases as a result (Amazons sales figures) 3) According to a technews poll (1007 votes), 47% of people planning on buying a HD player are planning on HD-DVD, 21% are planning on Blue-Ray, and 11% are planning on a combo player. Looks like Christmas could change the fortunes of both formats. It'll be fun to watch how it unfolds.
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Flynn Arrowstarr wrote:
which by then will be nearly as inexpensive as a standard DVD, heh.
I'm not planning on buying one until they're price competitive either. On the rare occasions when I watch a movie I do it on my PC and at 1600x1200 the compression artifacts are rather noticeable. That said I don't watch movies frequently enough to accept anything other than a minor price hit on the hardware.
-- You have to explain to them [VB coders] what you mean by "typed". their first response is likely to be something like, "Of course my code is typed. Do you think i magically project it onto the screen with the power of my mind?" --- John Simmons / outlaw programmer
I notice it on animation more than live action. Especially if it was originally 4:3 and expanded to 16:9. The PS3 does a pretty good job of upscaling SD content (with a slight loss of definition). I imagine upscaling Blu-Ray and HD-DVD players do the same (some better than others). Funny thing is, we don't have an HD television signal. But I can certainly tell the difference between something that was originally shot in SD and something that's been shot in HD. Even in SD, the Planet Earth series is breathtaking. Can't wait for the Blu-Rays to start showing up from Netflix. :-D Flynn
If we can't corrupt the youth of today,
the adults of tomorrow will be no fun...
