Courtesy of the dissident Frogman
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Or: the comment and the picture clearly demonstrates what the old woman says is nonsense. The intention of disinformation is in the eye of the readers, not necessarily in the one of the writer.
The caption itself, not the quote, referred to the cartridges as bullets. I would agree with you, if the caption made any obvious attempt to draw attention to the discrepancy... but i'm just not seeing it. Just laugh... ;)
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
the agency should have surmised that coalition forces threw the cartridges against her house, because the "pointy end" was still attached to the "non-pointy end" of both.
Either that or the rounds were ejected from a jammed gun by people who were battling outside the elderly women’s house. But then again I doubt the 'outrage' is about whether elderly women’s house was actually hit by weapons fire or not, as what is happening daily in Iraq is far worse.
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A.A. wrote:
then again I doubt the 'outrage' is about whether elderly women’s house was actually hit by weapons fire or not,
I suspect our views differ, but my outrage is of obviously biased reporting. You don't seriously believe she ran out and picked up ejected cartridges, now do you?
A.A. wrote:
what is happening daily in Iraq is far worse.
absolutely no doubt. it would be really be far superior if Iraqi quit killing Iraqi, then our military could take a breather.
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K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Two possible sets of mistakes:
Mistake set #1:
by the old woman: mistaking live cartridges for bullets which she assumed had connected with her house. by the reporter: not commenting on the difference between bullets (which could do some amount of damage when fired at a house) and live cartridges (which are less likely to have done anything interesting).
Alternate mistake set (A.K.A., Mistake set #2):
by coalition forces: chucking live cartridges at houses rather than firing them from some sort of a weapon.
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I'm not sure (will check tonight), but IIRC the cartridges were IDed as AK47 ammo by the gungeeks on another site I frequent, so it wouldn't be our people who weren't sure how to use a rifle.
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Technically speaking, the press agency did not declare that the house was hit by US bullets, but that "An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City" So, where is the mistake?
K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Some people (like yourself) will go to any length to defend the indefensible.
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K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Some people (like yourself) will go to any length to defend the indefensible.
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I'm not sure (will check tonight), but IIRC the cartridges were IDed as AK47 ammo by the gungeeks on another site I frequent, so it wouldn't be our people who weren't sure how to use a rifle.
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Technically speaking, the press agency did not declare that the house was hit by US bullets, but that "An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City" So, where is the mistake?
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K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Since the bullets she held had never been fired her testimony is untrustworthy and her conclusions faulty and more importantly... not news-worthy. The fact that it was published hints at an agenda. Agreed?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
not news-worthy
Agreed. What was news-worthy was the end of the caption.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that it was published hints at an agenda
An agenda maybe, a political one I don't know. Is the photographer the one who made the caption? Was it made by somebody else? Some journalists are such ignorant and sensationalist I'm not sure there's a political motivation behind. What is however disappointing is that AFP changed the caption afterwards without notice and that it did not deign to explain the circumstances. COmpared to what Reuters did, this is shocking. I found a picture of the original publication here[^] A question: everybody got fixed on the bullet, but not on the end of the caption:
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I'm not sure (will check tonight), but IIRC the cartridges were IDed as AK47 ammo by the gungeeks on another site I frequent, so it wouldn't be our people who weren't sure how to use a rifle.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
not news-worthy
Agreed. What was news-worthy was the end of the caption.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that it was published hints at an agenda
An agenda maybe, a political one I don't know. Is the photographer the one who made the caption? Was it made by somebody else? Some journalists are such ignorant and sensationalist I'm not sure there's a political motivation behind. What is however disappointing is that AFP changed the caption afterwards without notice and that it did not deign to explain the circumstances. COmpared to what Reuters did, this is shocking. I found a picture of the original publication here[^] A question: everybody got fixed on the bullet, but not on the end of the caption:
K(arl) wrote:
What was news-worthy was the end of the caption.
I doubt they'd publish a proper photo for that. Who'd want to see it? X| :sigh:
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K(arl) wrote:
What was news-worthy was the end of the caption.
I doubt they'd publish a proper photo for that. Who'd want to see it? X| :sigh:
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The folks that don't need a picture to see it. Probably. Hopefully...
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dan neely wrote:
IIRC the cartridges were IDed as AK47 ammo
Hard to tell. It could also be .223 ammo. The visible part of the bullet seems shot to me for an AK47 round[^]. Any specialist here?
K(arl) wrote:
The visible part of the bullet seems
the pointy end?
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K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Since the bullets she held had never been fired her testimony is untrustworthy and her conclusions faulty and more importantly... not news-worthy. The fact that it was published hints at an agenda. Agreed?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that it was published hints at an agenda.
Everybody has an agenda. The ones publishing false news and the ones waging war on false intelligence. Everybody.
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Like a suppository, only a bit stronger [^]
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very nice!!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
The fact that it was published hints at an agenda.
Everybody has an agenda. The ones publishing false news and the ones waging war on false intelligence. Everybody.
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K(arl) wrote:
Technically speaking
Covers many ills, no?
K(arl) wrote:
but that "An elderly Iraqi woman shows two bullets which she says hit her house following an early coalition forces raid in the predominantly Shiite Baghdad suburb of Sadr City"
for honest an objective reporting, the agency should have surmised that coalition forces threw the cartridges against her house, because the "pointy end" was still attached to the "non-pointy end" of both.
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nice video, could be shorter and more to the point :D
Mike Gaskey wrote:
that coalition forces threw the cartridges against her house
Nah. She said "they were shooting our house! With bullets!" and - reaching in her sons pockets, pulling out two cartridges - "just like these!" Does that mean the war didn't happen and Iraq is a rose-colored gloryland? :shrug: Sometimes you people sound like. The video you linked spent minutes on elaborating a technical detail. ponder this.
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K(arl) wrote:
So, where is the mistake?
Since the bullets she held had never been fired her testimony is untrustworthy and her conclusions faulty and more importantly... not news-worthy. The fact that it was published hints at an agenda. Agreed?
That sounds like a big conspiracy where everyone from an old Iraqui woman to Rupert Murdoch is involved. Try again :)
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K(arl) wrote:
The visible part of the bullet seems
the pointy end?
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The folks that don't need a picture to see it. Probably. Hopefully...
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