Why do Americans call the Main course and 'Entree'?
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That's a good question. I never thought about that. But since curiosity got the better of me...[^]
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peterchen wrote:
These Entrees are really tiny. I understand that you are a poor country
How much does a steak cost at a restaurant in Europe?
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10 to 18 euros say for an entre-cote or a faux-fillet.
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fat_boy wrote:
entre-cote or a faux-fillet
What are those in "American"?
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That's a good question. I never thought about that. But since curiosity got the better of me...[^]
Hmm, so AFTER the fish course, that sheds an entirely different light on the matter. However, still some kind of a starter. For example, I had a delicious Quail Farcie aux herbes the other day. Damn good it was too, and deffinitley an entreé of the fowl variety. It, on this menu, not being the full blown 'gourmand heart attack loosesn the belt job with congac and cigars after', came before a fish course. (Which incidentally was a very noce trout with bernaise sauce.)
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touché! :D Because everyone else agreed on that stuff. It's like someone who's always swapping the value of six and seven in class. The words and digits are arbitrary, but once you agree on them, you better stick to them. And we don't "always complain". besides hugging trees, promoting communism and nude bathing, we have very little time left for complaining about the US Americans. But since you asked so nicely, let me explain: European: shrugs, declares US Americans crazy, says oui achtung! ozols, orders the "biique meat" for 'Entree', and forgets to tip. After the meal, he goes to the internet cafe and tells his 12 french mistresses how stupid the americans are, and then go ask why the things are, expecting a perfectly acceptable explanation, like "Ze evil county count did steal ze main course from poor peazants, so peazants beheaded county count and ate him for entree, and it waz a very big count" US American: "Hello? Hello? These Entrees are really tiny. I understand that you are a poor country, but I don't know how you can live of that. Hey, get me another one. Ot five of them." "Zorry, eye donnt speek english!" "Five! FIVE!" So simple. ;P
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we don't "always complain
hyperbole I know, I know, I spent ten days in europe after graduating college. I loved it. Out of three of us, only one guy complained the entire time. He wanted ketchup, didnt wanna pay for refills, got pissed he had to wait more than 15 minutes for an absolutely amazing meal. After about two days of that, the other guy and I just stopped dragging him along because of his constant bitching. The other guy and I just went with everything, got the most natural experiance and loved it. Overall I loved the trip, and I would love go to back, but were leaving the other guy's ass at home.
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fat_boy wrote:
entre-cote or a faux-fillet
What are those in "American"?
Entre-cote is the beef between the ribs. Damn nice too. Faux-fillet is, I believe, a slice of sirloin, also very good, which is similar, in location and tate, to a rump. No one except a homosexual or a woman would ever call fillet a steak, it being only fit for Beef Wellington (Or Boeuf en Croute for those still pining after Napolean)
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Hmm, so AFTER the fish course, that sheds an entirely different light on the matter. However, still some kind of a starter. For example, I had a delicious Quail Farcie aux herbes the other day. Damn good it was too, and deffinitley an entreé of the fowl variety. It, on this menu, not being the full blown 'gourmand heart attack loosesn the belt job with congac and cigars after', came before a fish course. (Which incidentally was a very noce trout with bernaise sauce.)
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I think American meals must be substantially less fancy dancy that European meals if you're concerned about an entirely separate "fish course". The typical American courses are usually: Course 1: Big Mac Course 2: Freedom Fries Course 3: Coke Course 4: Fried Apple Pie
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peterchen wrote:
These Entrees are really tiny. I understand that you are a poor country
How much does a steak cost at a restaurant in Europe?
Depends on the restaurant, and the steak. €15 for at least a half pound hip steak + side dish in an established, good steak house. If you go cheap on drinks, you are done with €20. Service and VAT included, rounding up to the next euro is an OK tip, and you don't get killed for no tip. There are a few places where you can get the same cheaper, but you have to know them as people rarely dine out for a big piece of meat with not much else.
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peterchen wrote:
we don't "always complain
hyperbole I know, I know, I spent ten days in europe after graduating college. I loved it. Out of three of us, only one guy complained the entire time. He wanted ketchup, didnt wanna pay for refills, got pissed he had to wait more than 15 minutes for an absolutely amazing meal. After about two days of that, the other guy and I just stopped dragging him along because of his constant bitching. The other guy and I just went with everything, got the most natural experiance and loved it. Overall I loved the trip, and I would love go to back, but were leaving the other guy's ass at home.
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Depends on the restaurant, and the steak. €15 for at least a half pound hip steak + side dish in an established, good steak house. If you go cheap on drinks, you are done with €20. Service and VAT included, rounding up to the next euro is an OK tip, and you don't get killed for no tip. There are a few places where you can get the same cheaper, but you have to know them as people rarely dine out for a big piece of meat with not much else.
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My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistYeah, a big slab of 'fleish' isnt the main attraction of a European meal, it is the variety, and balance the chef puts into the courses that should be sought after. That why I always go for less choice with a set three course menu.
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Entre-cote is the beef between the ribs. Damn nice too. Faux-fillet is, I believe, a slice of sirloin, also very good, which is similar, in location and tate, to a rump. No one except a homosexual or a woman would ever call fillet a steak, it being only fit for Beef Wellington (Or Boeuf en Croute for those still pining after Napolean)
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
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I think American meals must be substantially less fancy dancy that European meals if you're concerned about an entirely separate "fish course". The typical American courses are usually: Course 1: Big Mac Course 2: Freedom Fries Course 3: Coke Course 4: Fried Apple Pie
Well, the fish course, trou, fowl course, cheese course, amuse guelle set up is very fancy too, but not uncommon. Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros is so, add a little more and they throw in the wine, selected to suit each course too. But, really, France! Mondieu, ils savent comment manger! Here, the eating is, generally, always superb. Good, affordable, and a true pleasure in life. 'A table' is a state of being!
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Which part or Europe? Itvaries alot, from sublime to really quite shitty.
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of course being college kids we went to amsterdam first. absolutely beautiful city, and that opinion came before the mushrooms. we wore that out in about three days. took a train to paris and crashed with some friends(one of the guys did a semester at the sorbonne(spelling?). took another train to venice, got lost, and we were almost raped and mugged by a gang of moroccans. We headed over to athens, spent most of that leg in the bars. we did some cheesy tourist things in between, and flew back home from barcelona. it was a haphazardly planned trip, so if i go back there is a lot more id like to do and see. it would be great if i could get a long vacation and just travel around for a month or so.
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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peterchen wrote:
we don't "always complain
hyperbole I know, I know, I spent ten days in europe after graduating college. I loved it. Out of three of us, only one guy complained the entire time. He wanted ketchup, didnt wanna pay for refills, got pissed he had to wait more than 15 minutes for an absolutely amazing meal. After about two days of that, the other guy and I just stopped dragging him along because of his constant bitching. The other guy and I just went with everything, got the most natural experiance and loved it. Overall I loved the trip, and I would love go to back, but were leaving the other guy's ass at home.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
hyperbole
I know I know ;) If you travel, you have to go with the flow. The more you take with you - be it luggage or expectations - the less away you get. I've spent wonderful times in the U.S., it's amazing for travel (once you made it past immigration). I'm lookking forward to New York in October - even if it's for work. So yeah, I was just stereotyping for fun.
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Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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I wouldn't question the quality of cooking in the U.S. in general - they serve excellent food at the right places. But you are right, here in Europe there's less emphasis on those huge blobs of meat.
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Well, the fish course, trou, fowl course, cheese course, amuse guelle set up is very fancy too, but not uncommon. Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros is so, add a little more and they throw in the wine, selected to suit each course too. But, really, France! Mondieu, ils savent comment manger! Here, the eating is, generally, always superb. Good, affordable, and a true pleasure in life. 'A table' is a state of being!
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fat_boy wrote:
Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros
Per person? Ah...The way you talk about it, it sounds like a typical everyday meal. I would consider US$100 per person a special occasion dinner. I think the fanciest I've eaten at here in atlanta was Nikolai's Roof[^], which is Russian. I swear it was twice as much as the menu now indicates. Maybe it was New Year's or Valentine's Day or something. But even their menu refers to them as "entrees". Most of the upscale restaurants here tend to be trendy culinary-forward types that can be hit or miss and seem more designed to get you "seen". However, nothing I've ever had compares to New Orleans...
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fat_boy wrote:
Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros
Per person? Ah...The way you talk about it, it sounds like a typical everyday meal. I would consider US$100 per person a special occasion dinner. I think the fanciest I've eaten at here in atlanta was Nikolai's Roof[^], which is Russian. I swear it was twice as much as the menu now indicates. Maybe it was New Year's or Valentine's Day or something. But even their menu refers to them as "entrees". Most of the upscale restaurants here tend to be trendy culinary-forward types that can be hit or miss and seem more designed to get you "seen". However, nothing I've ever had compares to New Orleans...
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
Might depend a lot on the country you go. Meat, and groceries in general, are very cheap in Germany, even for quality produce.
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Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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fat_boy wrote:
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
Americans are fat for a reason.