Why do Americans call the Main course and 'Entree'?
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peterchen wrote:
we don't "always complain
hyperbole I know, I know, I spent ten days in europe after graduating college. I loved it. Out of three of us, only one guy complained the entire time. He wanted ketchup, didnt wanna pay for refills, got pissed he had to wait more than 15 minutes for an absolutely amazing meal. After about two days of that, the other guy and I just stopped dragging him along because of his constant bitching. The other guy and I just went with everything, got the most natural experiance and loved it. Overall I loved the trip, and I would love go to back, but were leaving the other guy's ass at home.
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Depends on the restaurant, and the steak. €15 for at least a half pound hip steak + side dish in an established, good steak house. If you go cheap on drinks, you are done with €20. Service and VAT included, rounding up to the next euro is an OK tip, and you don't get killed for no tip. There are a few places where you can get the same cheaper, but you have to know them as people rarely dine out for a big piece of meat with not much else.
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My first real C# project | Linkify!|FoldWithUs! | sighistYeah, a big slab of 'fleish' isnt the main attraction of a European meal, it is the variety, and balance the chef puts into the courses that should be sought after. That why I always go for less choice with a set three course menu.
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Entre-cote is the beef between the ribs. Damn nice too. Faux-fillet is, I believe, a slice of sirloin, also very good, which is similar, in location and tate, to a rump. No one except a homosexual or a woman would ever call fillet a steak, it being only fit for Beef Wellington (Or Boeuf en Croute for those still pining after Napolean)
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
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I think American meals must be substantially less fancy dancy that European meals if you're concerned about an entirely separate "fish course". The typical American courses are usually: Course 1: Big Mac Course 2: Freedom Fries Course 3: Coke Course 4: Fried Apple Pie
Well, the fish course, trou, fowl course, cheese course, amuse guelle set up is very fancy too, but not uncommon. Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros is so, add a little more and they throw in the wine, selected to suit each course too. But, really, France! Mondieu, ils savent comment manger! Here, the eating is, generally, always superb. Good, affordable, and a true pleasure in life. 'A table' is a state of being!
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Which part or Europe? Itvaries alot, from sublime to really quite shitty.
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of course being college kids we went to amsterdam first. absolutely beautiful city, and that opinion came before the mushrooms. we wore that out in about three days. took a train to paris and crashed with some friends(one of the guys did a semester at the sorbonne(spelling?). took another train to venice, got lost, and we were almost raped and mugged by a gang of moroccans. We headed over to athens, spent most of that leg in the bars. we did some cheesy tourist things in between, and flew back home from barcelona. it was a haphazardly planned trip, so if i go back there is a lot more id like to do and see. it would be great if i could get a long vacation and just travel around for a month or so.
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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peterchen wrote:
we don't "always complain
hyperbole I know, I know, I spent ten days in europe after graduating college. I loved it. Out of three of us, only one guy complained the entire time. He wanted ketchup, didnt wanna pay for refills, got pissed he had to wait more than 15 minutes for an absolutely amazing meal. After about two days of that, the other guy and I just stopped dragging him along because of his constant bitching. The other guy and I just went with everything, got the most natural experiance and loved it. Overall I loved the trip, and I would love go to back, but were leaving the other guy's ass at home.
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VonHagNDaz wrote:
hyperbole
I know I know ;) If you travel, you have to go with the flow. The more you take with you - be it luggage or expectations - the less away you get. I've spent wonderful times in the U.S., it's amazing for travel (once you made it past immigration). I'm lookking forward to New York in October - even if it's for work. So yeah, I was just stereotyping for fun.
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Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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I wouldn't question the quality of cooking in the U.S. in general - they serve excellent food at the right places. But you are right, here in Europe there's less emphasis on those huge blobs of meat.
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Well, the fish course, trou, fowl course, cheese course, amuse guelle set up is very fancy too, but not uncommon. Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros is so, add a little more and they throw in the wine, selected to suit each course too. But, really, France! Mondieu, ils savent comment manger! Here, the eating is, generally, always superb. Good, affordable, and a true pleasure in life. 'A table' is a state of being!
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fat_boy wrote:
Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros
Per person? Ah...The way you talk about it, it sounds like a typical everyday meal. I would consider US$100 per person a special occasion dinner. I think the fanciest I've eaten at here in atlanta was Nikolai's Roof[^], which is Russian. I swear it was twice as much as the menu now indicates. Maybe it was New Year's or Valentine's Day or something. But even their menu refers to them as "entrees". Most of the upscale restaurants here tend to be trendy culinary-forward types that can be hit or miss and seem more designed to get you "seen". However, nothing I've ever had compares to New Orleans...
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fat_boy wrote:
Many a restaurant will offer such a menu for around 70 euros
Per person? Ah...The way you talk about it, it sounds like a typical everyday meal. I would consider US$100 per person a special occasion dinner. I think the fanciest I've eaten at here in atlanta was Nikolai's Roof[^], which is Russian. I swear it was twice as much as the menu now indicates. Maybe it was New Year's or Valentine's Day or something. But even their menu refers to them as "entrees". Most of the upscale restaurants here tend to be trendy culinary-forward types that can be hit or miss and seem more designed to get you "seen". However, nothing I've ever had compares to New Orleans...
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I admit to overall ignorance of steaks in general. I'm finicky and will only eat filet mignon as I hate any meat that is either too fatty or in contact with bone (I can do without the extra tendons and grissle). I'm just curious in general terms because I've heard that steak in Europe is very expensive (because you don't have nearly the cattle industry or something). A filet mignon here typically goes for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab, so maybe the rumors I've heard are wrong.
Might depend a lot on the country you go. Meat, and groceries in general, are very cheap in Germany, even for quality produce.
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Red Stateler wrote:
too fatty
Ah, but the flavour is in the fat!
Red Stateler wrote:
for about $25-$40 for a 12 oz slab
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
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fat_boy wrote:
Well, such a piece of meat would serve 2 people in Europe. Its not the size, but the quality, and excellence of cooking which of value here. And, because of that, actualy a healthier meal too: A small piece of meat, a lot of salad, a light, non sugary desert, a liter of red wine! All thouroughly good you know.
Americans are fat for a reason.
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of course being college kids we went to amsterdam first. absolutely beautiful city, and that opinion came before the mushrooms. we wore that out in about three days. took a train to paris and crashed with some friends(one of the guys did a semester at the sorbonne(spelling?). took another train to venice, got lost, and we were almost raped and mugged by a gang of moroccans. We headed over to athens, spent most of that leg in the bars. we did some cheesy tourist things in between, and flew back home from barcelona. it was a haphazardly planned trip, so if i go back there is a lot more id like to do and see. it would be great if i could get a long vacation and just travel around for a month or so.
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Ha, raped by Morocans! Thats something, they are what they are... Thats a goo d trip, Holland, France, Italy, Grece, Spain. You hit the high points for sure, only hope you managed to find the good restaurants in among the tourist traps. (And it sounds like you did) The UK is good for history, Prague for architecture, Provence for food, if you ever come back.
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I think American meals must be substantially less fancy dancy that European meals if you're concerned about an entirely separate "fish course". The typical American courses are usually: Course 1: Big Mac Course 2: Freedom Fries Course 3: Coke Course 4: Fried Apple Pie
Burger before the fries??? Stupid americans...
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I wouldn't question the quality of cooking in the U.S. in general - they serve excellent food at the right places. But you are right, here in Europe there's less emphasis on those huge blobs of meat.
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I wouldn't question the quality of cooking in the U.S. in general - they serve excellent food at the right places. But you are right, here in Europe there's less emphasis on those huge blobs of meat.
There's a pretty good diversity of restaurants in every major city as well. Even our backwards hillbilly town has a 5-star French restaurant[^]. Of course, I've never seen a larger collection of "5-star" restaurants in such close proximity as in Las Vegas. But for the most part, McDonalds suits me just fine.
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Now thats the difference, in France, restaurants are for every day eating. (It hels that you can claim lunch off you income tax too). Make is very affordable.
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That may be so, but you don't normally eat the E70 meal do you? I believe that was Reds point.
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Ha, raped by Morocans! Thats something, they are what they are... Thats a goo d trip, Holland, France, Italy, Grece, Spain. You hit the high points for sure, only hope you managed to find the good restaurants in among the tourist traps. (And it sounds like you did) The UK is good for history, Prague for architecture, Provence for food, if you ever come back.
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fat_boy wrote:
Ha, raped by Morocans! Thats something, they are what they are...
the engineering school was full of morocans, all awesome guys. we just couldnt understand why they had such a bad rep in europe, and then...
fat_boy wrote:
hope you managed to find the good restaurants
im not sure if they were tourist restaurants or not, but the food was the consistently amazing part of the trip. i had no problems shelling out 15 - 20 euros for a meal, everything we ordered was amazing. we definitely did the female thing of everyone order something different and just sharing. damn im getting hungry just thinking about the food over there.
fat_boy wrote:
The UK is good for history
we wanted to go, but the exchange rate would have destroyed our budget, pehaps another time when the dollar is stronger(:laugh:).
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It is baffling. There I am, in Indy or somewhere, reading a menu, thinking, 'Come on, just where are the damn main courses'? So I flip, back and forwards, for minutes, til a patern arrises. 'Ah, 'Entreé', must mean main course. Dont you US guys get it? And Entreé IS and entry, a starter, to come after the 'Amuse Guelle' and before the fish course. (OK I am off on one now, I know it) which precedes the 'trou' leading into the main course. rant rant rant...
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peterchen wrote:
I wouldn't question the quality of cooking in the U.S. in general - they serve excellent food at the right places. But you are right, here in Europe there's less emphasis on those huge blobs of meat.
There's a pretty good diversity of restaurants in every major city as well. Even our backwards hillbilly town has a 5-star French restaurant[^]. Of course, I've never seen a larger collection of "5-star" restaurants in such close proximity as in Las Vegas. But for the most part, McDonalds suits me just fine.
Red Stateler wrote:
But for the most part, McDonalds suits me just fine.
It's a must - once a year or so. I much prefer your country-style buffets.
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It is baffling. There I am, in Indy or somewhere, reading a menu, thinking, 'Come on, just where are the damn main courses'? So I flip, back and forwards, for minutes, til a patern arrises. 'Ah, 'Entreé', must mean main course. Dont you US guys get it? And Entreé IS and entry, a starter, to come after the 'Amuse Guelle' and before the fish course. (OK I am off on one now, I know it) which precedes the 'trou' leading into the main course. rant rant rant...
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If it helps any, i call it "food". But then, i'd be utterly lost in any place serving more than four courses. Heck, i'm not much of a restaurant guy to begin with; the only places i really enjoy are the tiny, smoky, family-owned diners, where you can order any combination of anything they serve, any time of day. 'Cause really, chili and shortcake at 4AM is where it's at.
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