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AFAIK, I could not see a link to BuzzyCode from Spider site. Since I am also just a very casual, very ordinary, dumb member there. But they have a very large network of sites. Without delving into a deeper search, just as a FIR (First Information Report), the following are the sites that I could recall as sister sites of Dotnetspider: 1) TonyJohn.com[^] 2) SpiderKerala.com[^] 3) IndianStudyChannel.com[^] 4) SQLSpider.com[^] They might be having plethora of underground sites as well. Neither I have time nor I have resources to research on all those nor they fall within my realm.
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AFAIK, I could not see a link to BuzzyCode from Spider site.
Both BuzzyCode and DotNetSpider seem to be operated by LogicsLab (you can see that the offshoring/outsourcing links from both sites go there; and both sites use the same Instant chat IDs too). So there is a very clear connection between the 2 sites. This automatically incriminates Tony John too - since he's the guy with the more visible public profile. But it is possible that a partner of his may be running BuzzyCode without Tony John's approval. In that case it may be in the best interests of Tony John and DotNetSpider to disassociate themselves from LogicsLab.
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jith - iii wrote:
there are working in the same company
Nishant knows us both. But I have personally unlinked him from my personal BlogRoll for the same reasons. I hate such people in all times, from all quarters. As a token gesture, I have removed my profile from Dotnetspider and pointed to my homepage. Now it would just show the words:
You may like to visit my personal homepage for more details. Thank you DeepakAnyway it's not an exact rip off.
The degree of ripoff is immaterial. An iota of poison is enough to make the pot of milk toxic. At least a line of courtesy to the original, could have been appreciated. :)
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Nishant knows us both.
Hey Vasudevan. I do know you and have met you a few times at various MVP meetups (most recently at the 2007 summit in Redmond). But I have never met this Tony John character nor do I know who he is.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Nishant knows us both.
Hey Vasudevan. I do know you and have met you a few times at various MVP meetups (most recently at the 2007 summit in Redmond). But I have never met this Tony John character nor do I know who he is.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
But I have never met this Tony John character
True Nish. Me too. It is just the profile name @Dotnetspider that I also know. I haven't met him in person either.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
nor do I know who he is
Actually, since he is also a Keralite (I believe, since he most of his sites are like SpiderKerala etc), I just thought you might have met him sometime. It was a blind guess. ;)
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
AFAIK, I could not see a link to BuzzyCode from Spider site.
Both BuzzyCode and DotNetSpider seem to be operated by LogicsLab (you can see that the offshoring/outsourcing links from both sites go there; and both sites use the same Instant chat IDs too). So there is a very clear connection between the 2 sites. This automatically incriminates Tony John too - since he's the guy with the more visible public profile. But it is possible that a partner of his may be running BuzzyCode without Tony John's approval. In that case it may be in the best interests of Tony John and DotNetSpider to disassociate themselves from LogicsLab.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkI really don't know why people are so much behind 'money-minded'. They just do a good community service website like Dotnetspider but behind the scenes one dirty website (on par pornography :mad:) like BuzzyCode is being operated. Regret if I am harsh. But I strongly feel that Plagarism or Credit Theft must be made synonymous to Pornography. The original author really breaks down on seeing his hard-blood-shed article earning credits for someone else ("the thief"). The Country's Law can be muted by these bullies but Nature's law would answer them.
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
AFAIK, I could not see a link to BuzzyCode from Spider site.
Both BuzzyCode and DotNetSpider seem to be operated by LogicsLab (you can see that the offshoring/outsourcing links from both sites go there; and both sites use the same Instant chat IDs too). So there is a very clear connection between the 2 sites. This automatically incriminates Tony John too - since he's the guy with the more visible public profile. But it is possible that a partner of his may be running BuzzyCode without Tony John's approval. In that case it may be in the best interests of Tony John and DotNetSpider to disassociate themselves from LogicsLab.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkHello everyone, I am Tony John, webmaster of dotnetspider. I came to this thread by following a Google alert about "dotnetspider". I found lot of discussions are going on about dotnetspider. As the owner and webmaster of dotnetspider, it is my responsibility to clarify certain points here: - I own dotnetspider.com and several other sites (AspSpider.NET, aspspider.* spiderkerala.com, tamilspider.com, indiastudychannel.com, asianspider.com, yoursmartkerala.com etc are some of them and few others are coming up). - I use Logic Labs as my offshore development company. They do a great job as an offshore partner. Recently, I have tightly integrated their services in dotnetspider, allowing clients to even directly contact Logic Labs through dotnetspider. - I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs. In one of the threads, Deepak Vasudevan mentioned:
"Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringments in India or CyberCrime cell for a redressal."
dotnetspider is registered in USA, not in India. Deepak, let me ask you one thing. You have been working very closely with me for past several months. You have given me valuable suggestions in the past and I have done a lot of changes in dotnetspider based on your feedback. You are even listed in [^] as a core member of spider team. It would have been nice if you had asked me directly before you post something silly about dotnetspider here! Now let me talk about the copy right violations. I have never copied articles and published. I have not requested anyone to do this for dotnetspider and do not encourage this. But dotnetspider may have published copied articles. And so is CodeProject. It is practically impossible for any website to completely stop this. While CodeProject is a well established website with several professional employees to identify most of the copied content and remove in a timely fashion, dotnetspider is basically a one man show. dotnetspider targets the freshers and developers in In
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Tony John might not be a nick name. Here is the guy. http://www.codeproject.com/script/profile/whos_who.asp?vt=arts&id=449701 In india we could hardly find a guy related to software who is not a member of CP
Thats me. The above link points to a profile I created few years back in CP which I lost access to. (T Manjaly - T is my first initial and Manjaly is my family name). I have posted some more comments here - http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?select=2209099&df=100&tid=2207100&forumid=1159&msg=2209099[^] - Tony John
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Hello everyone, I am Tony John, webmaster of dotnetspider. I came to this thread by following a Google alert about "dotnetspider". I found lot of discussions are going on about dotnetspider. As the owner and webmaster of dotnetspider, it is my responsibility to clarify certain points here: - I own dotnetspider.com and several other sites (AspSpider.NET, aspspider.* spiderkerala.com, tamilspider.com, indiastudychannel.com, asianspider.com, yoursmartkerala.com etc are some of them and few others are coming up). - I use Logic Labs as my offshore development company. They do a great job as an offshore partner. Recently, I have tightly integrated their services in dotnetspider, allowing clients to even directly contact Logic Labs through dotnetspider. - I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs. In one of the threads, Deepak Vasudevan mentioned:
"Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringments in India or CyberCrime cell for a redressal."
dotnetspider is registered in USA, not in India. Deepak, let me ask you one thing. You have been working very closely with me for past several months. You have given me valuable suggestions in the past and I have done a lot of changes in dotnetspider based on your feedback. You are even listed in [^] as a core member of spider team. It would have been nice if you had asked me directly before you post something silly about dotnetspider here! Now let me talk about the copy right violations. I have never copied articles and published. I have not requested anyone to do this for dotnetspider and do not encourage this. But dotnetspider may have published copied articles. And so is CodeProject. It is practically impossible for any website to completely stop this. While CodeProject is a well established website with several professional employees to identify most of the copied content and remove in a timely fashion, dotnetspider is basically a one man show. dotnetspider targets the freshers and developers in In
Tony M John wrote:
You have been working very closely with me for past several months. You have given me valuable suggestions in the past and I have done a lot of changes in dotnetspider based on your feedback.
Tony, Even now, I haven't openly objected to Dotnetspider. The entire CP concern is about the sister concern group that is plagiarizing and spoiling the name. I admit that I do give a lot of feedbacks and suggestions. The most beautiful thing in DotNetSpider would be its gentle take-the-fresh software graduates by hand. And this is a very delicate process. We should be doubly, triply be careful that they do not have any ill-effects from such bad company like LogicIndia or other black sheep. Regarding the various suggestions, in fact, I feel that the most good things should never be kept at heart and should be shared across for the benefit of everyone. In fact, CPians know me suggesting various features in the Suggestions/Bug Reports of CodeProject as well.
Tony M John wrote:
dotnetspider targets the freshers and developers in India.
That is the point. That is the beauty of it. Spider starts bringing in fresh developers into able resilent .NET developers.
Tony M John wrote:
But people forget their past when they get great labels.
Absolutely true. I don't want to finger point at somebody. But if you dig through the messages, one of them who has been put into the 'Technical Team' late, has offending articles of significant magnitude.
Tony M John wrote:
I used to give FREE .NET training to poor students and freshers in Bangalore on week ends.
I know of this. This is the very humble start of DotNetSpider when you started your career after coming out of SRA, during the BETA 2 of .NET.
Tony M John wrote:
I feel so upset about seeing few threads in CodeProject about my website dotnetspider.
There is nothing hurting on DotNetSpider as such. The only thing is that, on a war-footing basis, the changes need to be included so that our back-stabbers from the same offshoring does not cast thier ill-effects on DotNetSpider.
Tony M John wrote:
"Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringment
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Hello everyone, I am Tony John, webmaster of dotnetspider. I came to this thread by following a Google alert about "dotnetspider". I found lot of discussions are going on about dotnetspider. As the owner and webmaster of dotnetspider, it is my responsibility to clarify certain points here: - I own dotnetspider.com and several other sites (AspSpider.NET, aspspider.* spiderkerala.com, tamilspider.com, indiastudychannel.com, asianspider.com, yoursmartkerala.com etc are some of them and few others are coming up). - I use Logic Labs as my offshore development company. They do a great job as an offshore partner. Recently, I have tightly integrated their services in dotnetspider, allowing clients to even directly contact Logic Labs through dotnetspider. - I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs. In one of the threads, Deepak Vasudevan mentioned:
"Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringments in India or CyberCrime cell for a redressal."
dotnetspider is registered in USA, not in India. Deepak, let me ask you one thing. You have been working very closely with me for past several months. You have given me valuable suggestions in the past and I have done a lot of changes in dotnetspider based on your feedback. You are even listed in [^] as a core member of spider team. It would have been nice if you had asked me directly before you post something silly about dotnetspider here! Now let me talk about the copy right violations. I have never copied articles and published. I have not requested anyone to do this for dotnetspider and do not encourage this. But dotnetspider may have published copied articles. And so is CodeProject. It is practically impossible for any website to completely stop this. While CodeProject is a well established website with several professional employees to identify most of the copied content and remove in a timely fashion, dotnetspider is basically a one man show. dotnetspider targets the freshers and developers in In
Tony M John wrote:
- I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs.
Hello Tony, As long as you continue to be associated with a company that has been involving in mass plagiarism, your company will be seen as part of the group too. In fact a couple of CPians used IM-chat to talk to BuzzyCoode tech support - and the tech support initially introduced himself/herself as DotNetSpider tech-support. So it's clear that the same people are tech-supporting both websites. Nobody in their right mind will trust a company like Logic Labs - because of what they are doing with Buzzy Code. So by using Logic Labs as your partner in offshore outsourcing, your company and website is losing public trust too and will be seen as part of the fraudsters. If you were sincere in your comments that you were not aware of buzzycode (which is strange since it's linked to from the Logic Labs web site), then you should immediately detach yourself from that company and also indicate to the public that you were not aware of the illegal activities that Logic Labs has been doing. Until you do that, as far as the public is considered you will be a part of the nexus.
Regards, Nish
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Tony M John wrote:
- I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs.
Hello Tony, As long as you continue to be associated with a company that has been involving in mass plagiarism, your company will be seen as part of the group too. In fact a couple of CPians used IM-chat to talk to BuzzyCoode tech support - and the tech support initially introduced himself/herself as DotNetSpider tech-support. So it's clear that the same people are tech-supporting both websites. Nobody in their right mind will trust a company like Logic Labs - because of what they are doing with Buzzy Code. So by using Logic Labs as your partner in offshore outsourcing, your company and website is losing public trust too and will be seen as part of the fraudsters. If you were sincere in your comments that you were not aware of buzzycode (which is strange since it's linked to from the Logic Labs web site), then you should immediately detach yourself from that company and also indicate to the public that you were not aware of the illegal activities that Logic Labs has been doing. Until you do that, as far as the public is considered you will be a part of the nexus.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNish, Thanks for your response. Here is my comments:
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
In fact a couple of CPians used IM-chat to talk to BuzzyCoode tech support - and the tech support initially introduced himself/herself as DotNetSpider tech-support. So it's clear that the same people are tech-supporting both websites.
No company is doing tech support for dotnetspider. I am only one who is running it. (I do pay few people occasionally for various contributions) I spoke to Logic Labs today. They mentioned that when someone contact them through the IM-chat links published in dotnetspider, they introduce as 'offshore division of dotnetspider'. I have asked them to clearly indicate their relation with dotnetspider in future.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Nobody in their right mind will trust a company like Logic Labs - because of what they are doing with Buzzy Code.
I have tried few other companies in the past for offshore services. (Even now I use few other companies to handle overflow projects.) Due to the nature of the projects I get, large companies like TCS, Wipro or Infosys are not suitable for me. I need an offshore company who is "cheap" on rates and do a quality job. Logic Labs does that pretty well for me. My past experience says it is not easy to find another company who meets this criteria, without taking the risk of screwing up few projects.
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
If you were sincere in your comments that you were not aware of buzzycode (which is strange since it's linked to from the Logic Labs web site),
May be I have seen that site in the past when I interviewed Logic Labs few years back for my offshore development services. I do not usually visit their websites or enquire about their other business. Offshore services is a business I have completly outsourced. Clients usually contact Logic Labs directly through many of my websites and I trust Logic Labs on their monthly payment reports. I looked at Logic Lab's website today (I had to google few minutes to find it) and noticed they have given few links in the bottom to some silly sites including BuzzyCode. But I am not sure if I can do anything about it since my relation to them is limited to offshore outsourcing only. I even called them today to ask them about the CP threads, but I did not request them to shutdown that site since I have no business to do that. <
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Hello everyone, I am Tony John, webmaster of dotnetspider. I came to this thread by following a Google alert about "dotnetspider". I found lot of discussions are going on about dotnetspider. As the owner and webmaster of dotnetspider, it is my responsibility to clarify certain points here: - I own dotnetspider.com and several other sites (AspSpider.NET, aspspider.* spiderkerala.com, tamilspider.com, indiastudychannel.com, asianspider.com, yoursmartkerala.com etc are some of them and few others are coming up). - I use Logic Labs as my offshore development company. They do a great job as an offshore partner. Recently, I have tightly integrated their services in dotnetspider, allowing clients to even directly contact Logic Labs through dotnetspider. - I have absolutely no relation with the BuzzyCode and I have never seen that site in the past. Today I learnt that it is owned by the same company that do offshore services for me. But unless it affects dotnetspider's reputation or business, I am not going to worry too much about it since it is not directly related to my business relation with Logic Labs. In one of the threads, Deepak Vasudevan mentioned:
"Since it is an Indian website, I think, I am trying to see if we can approach the Intellectual Property Infringments in India or CyberCrime cell for a redressal."
dotnetspider is registered in USA, not in India. Deepak, let me ask you one thing. You have been working very closely with me for past several months. You have given me valuable suggestions in the past and I have done a lot of changes in dotnetspider based on your feedback. You are even listed in [^] as a core member of spider team. It would have been nice if you had asked me directly before you post something silly about dotnetspider here! Now let me talk about the copy right violations. I have never copied articles and published. I have not requested anyone to do this for dotnetspider and do not encourage this. But dotnetspider may have published copied articles. And so is CodeProject. It is practically impossible for any website to completely stop this. While CodeProject is a well established website with several professional employees to identify most of the copied content and remove in a timely fashion, dotnetspider is basically a one man show. dotnetspider targets the freshers and developers in In
Thanks for the comments. One clarification though: We make it very easy to report articles and as soon as an article is reported as plagarised we investigate and delete. We do not allow copied articles on CodeProject.com. Purgatory is for poor articles that are given a second chance. Plagarised articles are not given a second chance and are not moved to Purgatory. They are, as I said, deleted. I understand as well as anyone the difficulty in policing content but it is a site's responsbility to provide a means for the community to do the policing and to respond as soon as possible to resolve issues.
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Thanks for the comments. One clarification though: We make it very easy to report articles and as soon as an article is reported as plagarised we investigate and delete. We do not allow copied articles on CodeProject.com. Purgatory is for poor articles that are given a second chance. Plagarised articles are not given a second chance and are not moved to Purgatory. They are, as I said, deleted. I understand as well as anyone the difficulty in policing content but it is a site's responsbility to provide a means for the community to do the policing and to respond as soon as possible to resolve issues.
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Chris, Thanks for the clarification. I was of the impression that all "rejected" articles are moved to purgatory in CP. - Tony John
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Vasudevan Deepak Kumar wrote:
Nishant knows us both.
Hey Vasudevan. I do know you and have met you a few times at various MVP meetups (most recently at the 2007 summit in Redmond). But I have never met this Tony John character nor do I know who he is.
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Chris, Thanks for the clarification. I was of the impression that all "rejected" articles are moved to purgatory in CP. - Tony John
Even Dotnetspider has a Purgatory equivalent. We have to save Dotnetspider which serves several freshers, beginners and newbies to .NET technology enterprise from bad malicious websites like BuzzyCode.
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