Where were you? [modified]
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
Out boating on the Norfolk Broads with my sister and pretty much missed the entire thing. Stopped in at a local shop to get bread on the way back to the hostel and was served by a woman who never looked at me once. She was just standing glued to a TV with her mouth open but I can't say I took a lot of notice at the time. Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.:(
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Out boating on the Norfolk Broads with my sister and pretty much missed the entire thing. Stopped in at a local shop to get bread on the way back to the hostel and was served by a woman who never looked at me once. She was just standing glued to a TV with her mouth open but I can't say I took a lot of notice at the time. Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.:(
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.
*sigh* There's always one. Have you bothered to read the sites that explain why the conspiracy sites are ridiculous ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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RichardGrimmer wrote:
how fit one of the female news reporters on TV at the time was
Ah, how *fit* she was....
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Lost me there fella! Meant fit==pretty over here...
"Knock me down, I'll get straight back up again, I'll come back stronger than a powered up pacman" (Lilly Allen / Kaiser Chiefs)
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.
*sigh* There's always one. Have you bothered to read the sites that explain why the conspiracy sites are ridiculous ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Yes, and some of them are spot on. Many of the conspiracy sites are ridiculous, some just not quite as ridiculous as the official conspiracy about 19 arabs with box cutters, that's all.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Yes, and some of them are spot on. Many of the conspiracy sites are ridiculous, some just not quite as ridiculous as the official conspiracy about 19 arabs with box cutters, that's all.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Fair enough. If you don't swallow them all ( like the 'dynamite in the basement theory' ), then that's something. I would guess that you belong to a church where your opinions on this matter are widely held ? I belonged to a church like that (briefly). It was a fascinating place, I think some social scientists or anthropologists should join places like that and report on their findings.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Out boating on the Norfolk Broads with my sister and pretty much missed the entire thing. Stopped in at a local shop to get bread on the way back to the hostel and was served by a woman who never looked at me once. She was just standing glued to a TV with her mouth open but I can't say I took a lot of notice at the time. Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.:(
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Out boating on the Norfolk Broads with my sister and pretty much missed the entire thing. Stopped in at a local shop to get bread on the way back to the hostel and was served by a woman who never looked at me once. She was just standing glued to a TV with her mouth open but I can't say I took a lot of notice at the time. Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.:(
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.
Luckily, you had the foresight to wear your tin-foil hat immediately afterwards, making your brain impenetrable to the waves. Unfortunately, I can't say the same for the rest of us dopes.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.
What's the truth?
More important, does it involve the anti-Christ ? I clearly remember the first gulf war, and my dad looking for me to support the claim that Saddam was the anti Christ, he was going to make a peace treaty with Israel, and then the great tribulation would start. *sigh*
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
In my college dorm room on the West coast, in deep sleep along with my roommates. The first plane hit when it was, for me, before 6am, so I was still sleeping. Shortly after, the phone rang and rang and rang and finally, I got up to answer it to the assailing voice of my roommate's girlfriend shrieking about terrorists and hitting the WTC and the Pentagon and it took me a couple of minutes to really process what she was saying. I woke up my roommate and gave him the phone, and turned on the TV. Within a few minutes most of my dorm floor was huddled around my TV, watching the news; we watched both towers fall, live. I spent the better part of the day sitting there waiting for someone to say it was all just a joke. Of course, that never came.. and I, like other posters here, had an interesting sense that I knew I was watching history in the making. Classes were, of course, cancelled for the day.
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*grin* this is your bio: Currently a .NET programmer in Eastern Canada. We have 1 Dog and 2 cats lots of excitement at out house. I assume this is a typo, or is there lots of excitement in your toilet ? :P
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
I was on the way to work when I heard that the first plane hit and the second hit when I was at work. A left-wing British scum bucket I had the great misfortune to work with was making light of the situation...laughing and enjoying every minute (his subsequent behavior showed that this wasn't just a tactic to mask his concern).
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More important, does it involve the anti-Christ ? I clearly remember the first gulf war, and my dad looking for me to support the claim that Saddam was the anti Christ, he was going to make a peace treaty with Israel, and then the great tribulation would start. *sigh*
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Fair enough. If you don't swallow them all ( like the 'dynamite in the basement theory' ), then that's something. I would guess that you belong to a church where your opinions on this matter are widely held ? I belonged to a church like that (briefly). It was a fascinating place, I think some social scientists or anthropologists should join places like that and report on their findings.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Thermite bombs in the basement are actually pretty likely compared with may of the theories. I doubt my views are shared by many in my church. I certainly haven't discussed 9/11 with them and it has never come up. My church is very non political compared to what I guess many north American churches are like. My opinions have been formed by reading and web research. I've had a pretty good look at the Kean/Hamilton/Zelikow report and read one of David Ray Griffin's book, watched upward of 50 hours of direct footage and related video. I also predicted the use of commercial airliners as suicide weapons during the whole missile shield debate months before 9/11. I've seen the photos of the 'brains' at the pentagon preparing for a plane crash attack, seen the schedule of military and particularly airforce exercises which combined together on 9/11/2001 to denude almost the entire continental US of its usual air defence, heard the doctored recordings, genuine recordings, faked recoding and censored recordings of phone calls made on the day, seen the treatment of the relatives of the victims, watched the squirming and story changing of key figures from Dick Cheyney to the Pensylvania Corroner, looked at flight paths, read the Operation Northwoods documents, studied the 3 official timelines and the their deviations form the real time line, listened to the Popular Mechanics guys and then watched them being taken apart by a couple of teenagers. I am far from considering myself an expert but wrong is wrong, lies are lies, jet fuel doesn't melt structural steel and 40+ storey tower blocks don't collapse at free fall speed from fire and minor damage even if they've already been reported as having collapsed by the BBC and CNN script readers. You can call me a conspiracy theorist but just remember that anyone who belives that Tim Osman (AKA OBL) punched a single 18" hole in the Pentagon with a Boeing 757 is one as well. They've seen no evidence. It's fantastically unlikely to have occured but they belive it because people who they already know are professional liars told them that's what happened.:confused:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Christian Graus wrote:
the claim that Saddam was the anti Christ, he was going to make a peace treaty with Israel, and then the great tribulation would start.
Out of curiosity... since that did not happen - what does your father have to say?
Oh, quite simply, his church life consists largely of playing 'spot the antiChrist'. By the time it's evident it can't be Saddam, we've moved on to someone else, and pretty much forgotten all the times he was wrong, because this time, he's OBVIOUSLY right. Given that the bible doesn't support the idea of the antiChrist as he is trying to find it, he's obviously in trouble. But, even if I'm wrong in my view there, his approach plainly makes a laughing stock of his beliefs.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Thermite bombs in the basement are actually pretty likely compared with may of the theories. I doubt my views are shared by many in my church. I certainly haven't discussed 9/11 with them and it has never come up. My church is very non political compared to what I guess many north American churches are like. My opinions have been formed by reading and web research. I've had a pretty good look at the Kean/Hamilton/Zelikow report and read one of David Ray Griffin's book, watched upward of 50 hours of direct footage and related video. I also predicted the use of commercial airliners as suicide weapons during the whole missile shield debate months before 9/11. I've seen the photos of the 'brains' at the pentagon preparing for a plane crash attack, seen the schedule of military and particularly airforce exercises which combined together on 9/11/2001 to denude almost the entire continental US of its usual air defence, heard the doctored recordings, genuine recordings, faked recoding and censored recordings of phone calls made on the day, seen the treatment of the relatives of the victims, watched the squirming and story changing of key figures from Dick Cheyney to the Pensylvania Corroner, looked at flight paths, read the Operation Northwoods documents, studied the 3 official timelines and the their deviations form the real time line, listened to the Popular Mechanics guys and then watched them being taken apart by a couple of teenagers. I am far from considering myself an expert but wrong is wrong, lies are lies, jet fuel doesn't melt structural steel and 40+ storey tower blocks don't collapse at free fall speed from fire and minor damage even if they've already been reported as having collapsed by the BBC and CNN script readers. You can call me a conspiracy theorist but just remember that anyone who belives that Tim Osman (AKA OBL) punched a single 18" hole in the Pentagon with a Boeing 757 is one as well. They've seen no evidence. It's fantastically unlikely to have occured but they belive it because people who they already know are professional liars told them that's what happened.:confused:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Thermite bombs in the basement are actually pretty likely compared with may of the theories.
OK....... But, are they more than 1% likely ? I've looked into that one closely and I'm pretty convinced the odds are close to zero.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I am far from considering myself an expert but wrong is wrong, lies are lies, jet fuel doesn't melt structural steel and 40+ storey tower blocks don't collapse at free fall speed from fire and minor damage even if they've already been reported as having collapsed by the BBC and CNN script readers.
Fair enough. It's not my desire to convince you of anything, you're welcome to your worldview.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
You can call me a conspiracy theorist
Well, you obviously are one.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
but just remember that anyone who belives that Tim Osman (AKA OBL) punched a single 18" hole in the Pentagon with a Boeing 757 is one as well
OK..... It's plain that anything I believe about these events is based on weighing up different media reports. I was not there. Nevertheless, the need of some people to find conspiracy has as it's most fatal flaw, the fact that I've yet to hear a motive that is plausible for the US government to attack it's own members, on it's own soil. The stuff about taking away civil rights, to prepare for the antiChrist, or for other reasons, is just crap, IMO.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Thermite bombs in the basement are actually pretty likely compared with may of the theories. I doubt my views are shared by many in my church. I certainly haven't discussed 9/11 with them and it has never come up. My church is very non political compared to what I guess many north American churches are like. My opinions have been formed by reading and web research. I've had a pretty good look at the Kean/Hamilton/Zelikow report and read one of David Ray Griffin's book, watched upward of 50 hours of direct footage and related video. I also predicted the use of commercial airliners as suicide weapons during the whole missile shield debate months before 9/11. I've seen the photos of the 'brains' at the pentagon preparing for a plane crash attack, seen the schedule of military and particularly airforce exercises which combined together on 9/11/2001 to denude almost the entire continental US of its usual air defence, heard the doctored recordings, genuine recordings, faked recoding and censored recordings of phone calls made on the day, seen the treatment of the relatives of the victims, watched the squirming and story changing of key figures from Dick Cheyney to the Pensylvania Corroner, looked at flight paths, read the Operation Northwoods documents, studied the 3 official timelines and the their deviations form the real time line, listened to the Popular Mechanics guys and then watched them being taken apart by a couple of teenagers. I am far from considering myself an expert but wrong is wrong, lies are lies, jet fuel doesn't melt structural steel and 40+ storey tower blocks don't collapse at free fall speed from fire and minor damage even if they've already been reported as having collapsed by the BBC and CNN script readers. You can call me a conspiracy theorist but just remember that anyone who belives that Tim Osman (AKA OBL) punched a single 18" hole in the Pentagon with a Boeing 757 is one as well. They've seen no evidence. It's fantastically unlikely to have occured but they belive it because people who they already know are professional liars told them that's what happened.:confused:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Its the 11th of Sept here at the moment and I thought it would be interesting to see where everyone was on this day 6 years ago when you heard about the attacks in the US I was here[^] on a surfing trip with a mate, its was late at night and we we're sitting up waiting for some other friends to drive up from Sydney. We'd both fallen asleap while watching the telly when someone called to tell us what was happening. We saw the second aircraft crash into the building and stayed up most of the night watching the reports. It was very sureal to wake up too especially considering we were very very stoned and worn out from a long day of driving / surfing -- modified at 3:20 Tuesday 11th September, 2007 I really cant spell to save my life
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Have since spent quite a lot of time studying the event and concluded that most of what we've been told about it is a lie.
What's the truth?
In this case we will probably never know for sure. At the WTC, controlled demolition, without a doubt. That's what the experts have concluded and I agree. At the Pentagon, a plane but almost certainly not the 757 that was claimed. Much more likely a painted up military drone. Either way the automated air defences were deliberately stood down on Dick C's orders. That seems to be clear. In Pensylvania, an unauthorised (at the highest level) shootdown seems most likely. A pilot doing his job despite contrary or non existent order. It's all horrible to contemplate and much worse when you realise that senior administration figures knew it was coming and at the very least helped it along while protecting themselves and their allies. Check out George W's security having anti-aircraft missiles installed on the roof of his hotel in Florida for his visit there. Completely outside SOPs and from what I gather it's never happened before or since. The only good thing that can come out it all is for the American people to wake up and smell the reality.:rose:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Oh, quite simply, his church life consists largely of playing 'spot the antiChrist'. By the time it's evident it can't be Saddam, we've moved on to someone else, and pretty much forgotten all the times he was wrong, because this time, he's OBVIOUSLY right. Given that the bible doesn't support the idea of the antiChrist as he is trying to find it, he's obviously in trouble. But, even if I'm wrong in my view there, his approach plainly makes a laughing stock of his beliefs.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
his church life consists largely of playing 'spot the antiChrist'
I'm agnostic (bordering on atheism) so excuse my ignorance - why would a mere mortal purposely try to find an evil super-being. I understand the motivation of finding and even approaching a good super-being but why look for an evil one?
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In this case we will probably never know for sure. At the WTC, controlled demolition, without a doubt. That's what the experts have concluded and I agree. At the Pentagon, a plane but almost certainly not the 757 that was claimed. Much more likely a painted up military drone. Either way the automated air defences were deliberately stood down on Dick C's orders. That seems to be clear. In Pensylvania, an unauthorised (at the highest level) shootdown seems most likely. A pilot doing his job despite contrary or non existent order. It's all horrible to contemplate and much worse when you realise that senior administration figures knew it was coming and at the very least helped it along while protecting themselves and their allies. Check out George W's security having anti-aircraft missiles installed on the roof of his hotel in Florida for his visit there. Completely outside SOPs and from what I gather it's never happened before or since. The only good thing that can come out it all is for the American people to wake up and smell the reality.:rose:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
and smell the reality
So it's your opinion that a "smallish" group within the current US administration (POTUS, VPOTUS and the entire DOD) conspired to kill thousands of innocent civilians? 1. Why? 2. How did they manage to pull it off, considering how inept they've proven to be in ALL other areas?