Chris: No more Anonymous Posting!
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
Whether you like someones work or not/ or even dislike a persons "style" etc/ Flaming is a waste of Bandwidth, And full annonymous flaming is pathetic, ( I can almost understand some folk not wishing there employers to know they post comments or articles on the web, They can remain annonymous but gain Pseudonym or Alias, eg be called "MadDog-hacker" or "The-Guru" etc instead of John Smith or Jane Doe. ) Regardz Colin Davies (Standing up but preparing to be flamed)
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Whether you like someones work or not/ or even dislike a persons "style" etc/ Flaming is a waste of Bandwidth, And full annonymous flaming is pathetic, ( I can almost understand some folk not wishing there employers to know they post comments or articles on the web, They can remain annonymous but gain Pseudonym or Alias, eg be called "MadDog-hacker" or "The-Guru" etc instead of John Smith or Jane Doe. ) Regardz Colin Davies (Standing up but preparing to be flamed)
Hey - cool. Is MadDog-hacker taken ? Seriously, the stuff we get from anonymous posters is often pathetic and I'm a firm believer that if you're not willing to put your name to it, you shouldn't say it. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
From the looks of the authors replies, he seems to be able to take care of himself (and comes off as being more than a little obnoxious). Forcing people to use "real" names before they can post wont stop this kind of behavior. The malcontents will just create a bogus ID before posting.
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
While it's pretty sad the depths people will sink to when posting, that's the way the net is. (Also the reason I don't participate in Usenet or public discussion boards - this site's boards and a text-based BBS are all I read.) Anyway, I'd rather keep the Anonymous feature in place, because at least that way it's simple to pick out the posts I don't care about. If the Anon option is removed, flamers will just make up fake accounts and continue flaming. In the end, no flames are prevented and the fake accounts will take up disk space on the CP servers. --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so.
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
Hi All! :-D Wow! Finally some of us decided to talk! Very nice, Thankx Matt! ;) The only reason I kinda stopped replying questions or even post any message! The flamers create fake IDs and get to you no matter what! Also having the anonymous feature is being abused by many. I guess is best to have a poll on this issue. Oh ya, didn't codeguru stop it? the anonymous postings. Why not codeproject do too? The people who come around places like here are supposed to be highly literate! Why hide behind anon and post a flame! what's your gain except hurting the other side? This is sick mentality, and like them are just losers, nothing more! By posting this I am ready to be flamed BUT BELIEVE ME, it won't effect anymore! There are people against you on the Codeproject, and I guess they are the VERY GOOD ONES! (see the names and the contributions here!) A hearty thank you to all the concerned repliers on this thread and again to Matt for the trigger! Dear Chris, I request and hope something could be done. Cheers! :)
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While it's pretty sad the depths people will sink to when posting, that's the way the net is. (Also the reason I don't participate in Usenet or public discussion boards - this site's boards and a text-based BBS are all I read.) Anyway, I'd rather keep the Anonymous feature in place, because at least that way it's simple to pick out the posts I don't care about. If the Anon option is removed, flamers will just make up fake accounts and continue flaming. In the end, no flames are prevented and the fake accounts will take up disk space on the CP servers. --Mike-- http://home.inreach.com/mdunn/ Time is an illusion; lunchtime doubly so.
Mike , I respect your opinion on this. But I wonder if your attitude to this is that we are already defeated. Something that would be incredible is a Flame free Discussion Board. That would be an astounding feature, and far better than animated smileys. ( although they too are cool ) Isn't it possible that is this codeproject community with all the independant minds here that we can come up with some scheme plan or system to minimise flaming. Regardz Colin Davies too flame mail I am e-mal foot
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Mike , I respect your opinion on this. But I wonder if your attitude to this is that we are already defeated. Something that would be incredible is a Flame free Discussion Board. That would be an astounding feature, and far better than animated smileys. ( although they too are cool ) Isn't it possible that is this codeproject community with all the independant minds here that we can come up with some scheme plan or system to minimise flaming. Regardz Colin Davies too flame mail I am e-mal foot
You'd have to stop anonymous posting. I suppose you could give each user a unique id that they'd log in with, which would change if the email address was changed, thus you'd have to enter a valid email address to get your id and be able to post. Might encourage people to think before they speak. It wouldn't stop the serious flamers though - they'd just set up a temporary account on hotmail for the duration of the flame :(
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
As was mentioned previously ... even if you stop the use of anonymous, flamers will just create an alias and continue. It only takes a few to piss off many, and there is really no way to stop it unless you make code project a private site, which is not feasible. However, here is one solution. Allow registered/valid users to mark postings that may be inappropriate and if enough users mark it for removal then it will get removed. I guess it would work sort of like a voting system. More details would need to be worked out, but it may solve some issues. Its sort of like drivers who drive slow in the passing lane and do not move over; If you try and signal them to move over, most just drive slower to piss you off. Do you stop driving completely, or just try and ignore them (and swear to yourself as you pass them in another lane).
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You'd have to stop anonymous posting. I suppose you could give each user a unique id that they'd log in with, which would change if the email address was changed, thus you'd have to enter a valid email address to get your id and be able to post. Might encourage people to think before they speak. It wouldn't stop the serious flamers though - they'd just set up a temporary account on hotmail for the duration of the flame :(
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I've had a Hotmail account for 3 1/2 years, I use everyday so you couldn't prevent freemail addresses being restricted - it would'nt be fair:( Norm
That was partially my point. Anyway, you could have one of those infinite mailboxes (anything@yourname.yourisp.com) and not download mail from flamer@yourname.yourisp.com, so blocking domains would be way too complicated.
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As was mentioned previously ... even if you stop the use of anonymous, flamers will just create an alias and continue. It only takes a few to piss off many, and there is really no way to stop it unless you make code project a private site, which is not feasible. However, here is one solution. Allow registered/valid users to mark postings that may be inappropriate and if enough users mark it for removal then it will get removed. I guess it would work sort of like a voting system. More details would need to be worked out, but it may solve some issues. Its sort of like drivers who drive slow in the passing lane and do not move over; If you try and signal them to move over, most just drive slower to piss you off. Do you stop driving completely, or just try and ignore them (and swear to yourself as you pass them in another lane).
Ah yes, I was going to suggest something similar with authors moderating the comments on the article.
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
Yeah - I've been watching the article and thread. There is no way I can stop anonymous postings becuase people can always create bogus accounts. If an inflammatory post is made anonymously then who is going to take it seriously? I'm certainly not going to give credibility to abuse given by someone too scared to stand up to their own words. If you get a hundred anonymous flames and 5 registered users supporting a person then I know who I will believe. Even so, this is all good stuff. It's nice to hear what people have to say. It's entertaining and I never want anyone to feel that they can't voice what they feel. One thing I did try and do is make anonymous postings a little more dull than "real" postings. Maybe I should make them dull grey on a light grey background, in really tiny font. ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Mike , I respect your opinion on this. But I wonder if your attitude to this is that we are already defeated. Something that would be incredible is a Flame free Discussion Board. That would be an astounding feature, and far better than animated smileys. ( although they too are cool ) Isn't it possible that is this codeproject community with all the independant minds here that we can come up with some scheme plan or system to minimise flaming. Regardz Colin Davies too flame mail I am e-mal foot
You mean a moderated forum? Maybe unmoderated discussions on CodeProject, and a moderated lounge. This would keep the board free of off-topic and offensive posts, and spam, but still allow lively discussions. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Yeah - I've been watching the article and thread. There is no way I can stop anonymous postings becuase people can always create bogus accounts. If an inflammatory post is made anonymously then who is going to take it seriously? I'm certainly not going to give credibility to abuse given by someone too scared to stand up to their own words. If you get a hundred anonymous flames and 5 registered users supporting a person then I know who I will believe. Even so, this is all good stuff. It's nice to hear what people have to say. It's entertaining and I never want anyone to feel that they can't voice what they feel. One thing I did try and do is make anonymous postings a little more dull than "real" postings. Maybe I should make them dull grey on a light grey background, in really tiny font. ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
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Chris, how about making a note of the IP Adddess of people who flame and the next time they try and a flame to a thread, look up their IP address in the list of 'Banned' IP addresses, then prevent them form posting.
Comparing IP addresses isn't an exact science, since many people don't have fixed IP addresses. cheers, Chris Maunder
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Hey - cool. Is MadDog-hacker taken ? Seriously, the stuff we get from anonymous posters is often pathetic and I'm a firm believer that if you're not willing to put your name to it, you shouldn't say it. Christian The content of this post is not necessarily the opinion of my yadda yadda yadda. To understand recursion, we must first understand recursion.
it's also tough to have a conversation (so to speak) when multiple Anonymous posters get involved... -c
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Yeah - I've been watching the article and thread. There is no way I can stop anonymous postings becuase people can always create bogus accounts. If an inflammatory post is made anonymously then who is going to take it seriously? I'm certainly not going to give credibility to abuse given by someone too scared to stand up to their own words. If you get a hundred anonymous flames and 5 registered users supporting a person then I know who I will believe. Even so, this is all good stuff. It's nice to hear what people have to say. It's entertaining and I never want anyone to feel that they can't voice what they feel. One thing I did try and do is make anonymous postings a little more dull than "real" postings. Maybe I should make them dull grey on a light grey background, in really tiny font. ;) cheers, Chris Maunder
any way you can do an "ignore anonymous" option? on slashdot, i keep my threshold high enough so that i never have to see any anonymous postings. b.w.t. if any of you think the anonymous people are out of control here, take a look a slashdot (with a low threshold set, of course). -c
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Chris, Take a look at this slander crap that's going on in the following article: http://www.codeproject.com/useritems/slickskins.asp Look at all that garbage posting berating this guy. It certainly would make me think twice about posting anything. Most of those wouldn't have the gall to say things like that if they had to sign it with their name. Please put a stop to this. How old are we anyway?!?!
Wow, I love all the discussion. I'm glad people have an opinion on this whatever it is. Here's my list of points to make/possibilities: 1) You are certainly correct about people setting up temporary accounts for flaming. However, in my opinion, stopping Anonymous posters would cut the posts in half or maybe much, much, more. Often times some other lamers read a flame and jump in. I seriously doubt that the majority of people would go through the bother of setting up the account just to jump in which would likely seriously limit the "conversation" bringing it to an end all that much faster. 2) I think an author should have the right to remove comments or be able to at least request it. I usually go through the majority of the postings under any article to see what people think of the code and what possible bug fixes people have found that hasn't yet been incorporated by the author. I would prefer to not have to waste my time wading through a flame war. 3) Track the number of comments by a user. This is done on Quake3World's website and gives more priviledges to people that post more. I like that. 4) Tieing in with 3, allow users to rate responses. If enough "Remove this post" type requests are made, then remove the user's account. This means that sure, a user can recreate a new account, but they start back at the bottom as a "newbie" or some such nonsense. 5) I realize you can't block by IP since a large number of people still deal with dial up connections and even those with permanent connections like DSL or cable get assigned new IP addresses at bootup. Typically within a company's LAN this would be ok since probably DHCP just gives back the same IP each time but for everyone else this isn't practical. However, blocking by email address is a possibility. Sure, there's tons of freemail accounts, but then it's still a punishment and the user has to go through the trouble of setting up an account and starting over. Plus, if they are serious about use of the site, they lose access to it through their primary email address which would be a major pain. Just some thoughts. Thanks! Matt Philmon mphilmon@pobox.com
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any way you can do an "ignore anonymous" option? on slashdot, i keep my threshold high enough so that i never have to see any anonymous postings. b.w.t. if any of you think the anonymous people are out of control here, take a look a slashdot (with a low threshold set, of course). -c
That's a GREAT idea. Chris, could there be a user setting to not even SHOW anonymous postings?! I'd love that. That would really help (IMHO). Matt Philmon:) :) ;) :)