Well why didn't yall think of this sooner...
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73Zeppelin wrote:
God made man in his own image; or so the story goes...
US law also doesn't apply to foreign dignitaries.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
It doesn't apply to Frenchmen either, but that hasn't stopped me from financially neutering the despicable blob of humanity that I'm renting my apartment from. So rather than debating here, I've been occupied teaching him why it's not a good idea to screw with me. Tonight, however, has brought some good news - I've just cost him many thousands of Euros. I'm having a beer in light of it. He's probably having a crying session. Unfortunately for him that's just round 1. I'm not anywhere near finished with him. In some circles they call it "being taken to the cleaners".
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, atheists tends to be rational, so they often point out the fact that there are no evidence of any god's existence. Hence, they often believe there is no god.
:laugh: How is that "rational"? Lack of evidence denotes lack of existence? :omg:
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
You seem to be lacking in your word twisting abilities. Are you off your meds?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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No. An atheist lacks the belief in the existence of god. However, atheists tends to be rational, so they often point out the fact that there are no evidence of any god's existence. Hence, they often believe there is no god. But still - atheism isn't the belief that something doesn't exist. It's the lack of belief that something exists. It does require a bit of thinking to understand. Please don't strain your brain.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, atheists tends to be rational, so they often point out the fact that there are no evidence of any god's existence.
In the opinion of Joergen, what would be evidence of God's existence, or any other god?
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's the lack of belief that something exists.
So considering that evidence that God does or does not exist is irrelevant. An atheist choses to say that they have no belief in the existence or nonexistence of God. Because if God exist then there is a Hell and they realize that they should live accordingly to avoid Hell and the if God doesn't exist then their life is meaningless and everyone and everything they have ever loved was pointless and that they in all honestly do desire the existence of God.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
You seem to be lacking in your word twisting abilities. Are you off your meds?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
You seem to be lacking in your word twisting abilities.
I didn't twist words. I de-twisted yours.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, atheists tends to be rational, so they often point out the fact that there are no evidence of any god's existence.
In the opinion of Joergen, what would be evidence of God's existence, or any other god?
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
It's the lack of belief that something exists.
So considering that evidence that God does or does not exist is irrelevant. An atheist choses to say that they have no belief in the existence or nonexistence of God. Because if God exist then there is a Hell and they realize that they should live accordingly to avoid Hell and the if God doesn't exist then their life is meaningless and everyone and everything they have ever loved was pointless and that they in all honestly do desire the existence of God.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.Do you actually make decisions based on the belief that you would go to hell? That doesn't really seem to really mesh with what I picked up as the spirit of Christianity. It always seemed to be more about wanting to get closer to god, not fearing what he might do to you if you don't measure up. How does the existence of some bearded guy give life a point? It always seemed a matter of personal fulfillment even to the faithful.
This blanket smells like ham
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You are trying in corporate all of the stories and all religions into one question. And that is not what I said. You are also trying to get me to say I am something I am not. I am not a polytheist. Please try again later.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
Al Beback wrote:
No, actually one has to do with knowledge; the other with belief. So the two can be combined:
I didn't address "knowledge". I addressed belief. Both atheists and agnostics (as well as the vast majority of theists) believe that proof of the existence of God and therefore knowledge of His existence is unattainable unless God chooses to reveal Himself. Atheists, regardless of whether you incorrectly regard them as a special breed of agnostic or gnostic, straightforwardly believe that there is no God (they cannot "know" there is no God). Agnostics, on the other hand, are uncertain and choose to adhere to no belief as to whether or not God exists. Thus their "belief system" (or rather lack thereof) allows for the existence or nonexistence of God. The atheist belief system (note that it is not in quotes) does not. Since one cannot "know" if God exists or not, it follows that your definitions must be erroneous.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Red Stateler wrote:
Since one cannot "know" if God exists or not, it follows that your definitions must be erroneous.
First of all, I didn't make up the definitions. Do a little research, starting with the definition of agnostic[^]. Second of all, some people claim to know that there's a God. They've "felt him in their heart", or "seen him performing miracles on TV". Those are the gnostic theists. Most theists are actually agnostic though, as you pointed out. They believe despite having no knowledge. Then there are gnostic atheists, who claim to know with a high degree of certainty that God does not exist. They base their knowledge on lack of evidence and logic (eg., I know leprechauns don't exist, so I don't believe in them). And finally, there are agnostic atheists, which is where most atheists fall. They don't know if there's a God, so they prefer not believing in him.
Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain
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It's funny how you use the religious man's definition of atheism. Why can't you man in the cloud believers ever get through your skull that atheism isn't the belief in something's non-existence, but the lack of belief in its existence?
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
If your position truly is one of lack of belief, rather than belief that God doesn't exist. Why do you stoop to the position of calling believers stupid? If you didn't believe that God doesn't exist, why try to convince others of your non-belief?
This statement was never false.
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I said that I bet you are skeptical of other religions' magic stories. You said you were not. So using simple logic (which you obviously lack), one would conclude that you believe the magic stories from other religions.
If you were using logic you would realize that I am not agreeing with you on all of the 'magic stories'. Also, if you were using plain old common sense, instead of trying to twist everything I say. You would see that what I am saying. But it is okay, you have a desire to try to prove yourself. So you agree and insult anything I say. I on the other hand have never been on the offense against you and with that will end my part of this series of replies.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
If you were using logic you would realize that I am not agreeing with you on all of the 'magic stories'. Also, if you were using plain old common sense, instead of trying to twist everything I say. You would see that what I am saying. But it is okay, you have a desire to try to prove yourself. So you agree and insult anything I say. I on the other hand have never been on the offense against you and with that will end my part of this series of replies.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
Do you actually make decisions based on the belief that you would go to hell? That doesn't really seem to really mesh with what I picked up as the spirit of Christianity. It always seemed to be more about wanting to get closer to god, not fearing what he might do to you if you don't measure up. How does the existence of some bearded guy give life a point? It always seemed a matter of personal fulfillment even to the faithful.
This blanket smells like ham
Andy Brummer wrote:
Do you actually make decisions based on the belief that you would go to hell?
Honestly Andy, does it really matter what decisions make or discussions I have. You will try to disprove and insult anything I say. Is that not the Atheist way or shall we say the anti-Christian way. Why don't you review what Rob Graham had to say just below this and my reply. He seemed to get it. You see it really doesn't matter, you like the other are going to do and say whatever you want.
Andy Brummer wrote:
That doesn't really seem to really mesh with what I picked up as the spirit of Christianity. It always seemed to be more about wanting to get closer to god, not fearing what he might do to you if you don't measure up.
Yes, I make decisions according to my Christian beliefs.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
Andy Brummer wrote:
Do you actually make decisions based on the belief that you would go to hell?
Honestly Andy, does it really matter what decisions make or discussions I have. You will try to disprove and insult anything I say. Is that not the Atheist way or shall we say the anti-Christian way. Why don't you review what Rob Graham had to say just below this and my reply. He seemed to get it. You see it really doesn't matter, you like the other are going to do and say whatever you want.
Andy Brummer wrote:
That doesn't really seem to really mesh with what I picked up as the spirit of Christianity. It always seemed to be more about wanting to get closer to god, not fearing what he might do to you if you don't measure up.
Yes, I make decisions according to my Christian beliefs.
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too.Sorry about that, must be the code I'm working on beating into submission, but I had a momentary bout of dickishness.
This blanket smells like ham
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If your position truly is one of lack of belief, rather than belief that God doesn't exist. Why do you stoop to the position of calling believers stupid? If you didn't believe that God doesn't exist, why try to convince others of your non-belief?
This statement was never false.
You don't read what I write. I said I'm an atheist, but I also say that I go one step further and dismiss everything you have to say about god(s). I think you are foolish to believe in it, since you have not a shred of evidence for your proposition.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
why try to convince others of your non-belief
I suppose it's a misplaced streak of altruism on my part. My bad.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
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Sorry about that, must be the code I'm working on beating into submission, but I had a momentary bout of dickishness.
This blanket smells like ham
Andy Brummer wrote:
dickishness
not a real word, not in Wikipedia but it is in the urban dictionary[^] (that was a joke):) If you meant no wrong than I accept, for a moment I thought I was going to have to rate you at the same level as INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX.:wtf:
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
73Zeppelin wrote:
God made man in his own image; or so the story goes...
US law also doesn't apply to foreign dignitaries.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
Red Stateler wrote:
US law also doesn't apply to foreign dignitaries.
"And, for their sins, the Lord did bring a mighty wind, and caused the waters of the sea to rise, and covered the city of New Orleans, and drowned those who had forsaken him, and when the lamentations of their children and their women were raised on high, the Lord did speak, saying unto them, "I am the Lord, thy God, and I have diplomatic immunity."
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Andy Brummer wrote:
dickishness
not a real word, not in Wikipedia but it is in the urban dictionary[^] (that was a joke):) If you meant no wrong than I accept, for a moment I thought I was going to have to rate you at the same level as INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX.:wtf:
God Bless, Jason
God doesn't believe in atheist but He still loves them and INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX too. -
Red Stateler wrote:
Since one cannot "know" if God exists or not, it follows that your definitions must be erroneous.
First of all, I didn't make up the definitions. Do a little research, starting with the definition of agnostic[^]. Second of all, some people claim to know that there's a God. They've "felt him in their heart", or "seen him performing miracles on TV". Those are the gnostic theists. Most theists are actually agnostic though, as you pointed out. They believe despite having no knowledge. Then there are gnostic atheists, who claim to know with a high degree of certainty that God does not exist. They base their knowledge on lack of evidence and logic (eg., I know leprechauns don't exist, so I don't believe in them). And finally, there are agnostic atheists, which is where most atheists fall. They don't know if there's a God, so they prefer not believing in him.
Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain
Thank you. You put more effort into that than I would have.
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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Patrick Sears wrote:
2a) includes those who make no contention about the existence of a god, but simply have no belief in one (although, then I suppose the word should more appropriately be "lack of belief" rather than "disbelief.")
You're confusing agnosticism with atheism. Agnosticism is the lack of a belief in general. Atheism is the belief that there is no God.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
I defer to Al Beback's reply.
The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee
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Red Stateler wrote:
Since one cannot "know" if God exists or not, it follows that your definitions must be erroneous.
First of all, I didn't make up the definitions. Do a little research, starting with the definition of agnostic[^]. Second of all, some people claim to know that there's a God. They've "felt him in their heart", or "seen him performing miracles on TV". Those are the gnostic theists. Most theists are actually agnostic though, as you pointed out. They believe despite having no knowledge. Then there are gnostic atheists, who claim to know with a high degree of certainty that God does not exist. They base their knowledge on lack of evidence and logic (eg., I know leprechauns don't exist, so I don't believe in them). And finally, there are agnostic atheists, which is where most atheists fall. They don't know if there's a God, so they prefer not believing in him.
Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain
One's claim to special knowledge or not is irrelevant. Atheism is the belief that there is no God, theism is the belief there is a God and agnosticism is a refusal to establish a belief. If you state that absolute knowledge about the existence of God is unatainable and believe that there is no God, then you are, plain and simply, an atheist. You seem to be confusing zealousness of belief with agnosticism. Those are two very different things.
If liberals are not traitors, their only fallback argument at this point is that they're really stupid. -Ann Coulter
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You don't read what I write. I said I'm an atheist, but I also say that I go one step further and dismiss everything you have to say about god(s). I think you are foolish to believe in it, since you have not a shred of evidence for your proposition.
Chris-Kaiser wrote:
why try to convince others of your non-belief
I suppose it's a misplaced streak of altruism on my part. My bad.
-- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit
It can only be altruism if your position is the correct one. And that you are truly freeing people from their oppressive dreams of a creator. But, in that assumption you are no different than Fundamentalist Christians. Yes, I am agnostic. And I do read what you write. You have a condescending attitude towards anything religious. I imagine to protect yourself mentally, but then you assume a position of the enlightened and take it upon yourself to ridicule those who disagree with you in some vague attempt at misconstrued altruism, hoping to save the poor savages from their mental crutches. But just like the religious, you are swinging in the dark, making assumptions you can't prove, all the while claiming lack of proof as your foundation. How convenient.
This statement was never false.