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Whatever happened to "The Grand Negus"?

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  • G Gary Wheeler

    I think 'INITCOMMONCONTROLSEX' is the larval form of the 'Negus'.


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    Pete OHanlon
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    No - it's definitely Proto-Kyle.

    Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.

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    • E Eytukan

      I personally mailed him to know what he's upto and was amazed to know he's into a new prototype that will allow us to create applications for .net. A completely CLR based plain english compiler. He said he'd be busy for another two more months.


      The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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      Pete OHanlon
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      Nice. I like the sound of that.

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      • E Eytukan

        I personally mailed him to know what he's upto and was amazed to know he's into a new prototype that will allow us to create applications for .net. A completely CLR based plain english compiler. He said he'd be busy for another two more months.


        The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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        Somehow, he seems to have gotten the message. I am impressed.


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        • O originSH

          The Grand Negus[^] I was chatting to someone today who was on about a natural english based language and thought of him hehe. I went and looked and most of his posts are deleted and the account abandoned ... did he finally get tired of the chilly reception his idea got?

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          Roger Alsing 0
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          Why was everyone so mean to him? Atleast he tried to accomplish something. I do agree that trying to make a spoken language into a programming language is a bad thing. English is not designed to express the kind of thing you want to express when programming. But still, its his idea, so why the bashing? was he rude or arrogant or something like that? (seen quite a few post making fun of him) -- modified at 10:20 Thursday 20th September, 2007 Ok, just saw El Corazon's post.. :-P

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            Looking for ways to increase empire profits i would assume.

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            El Corazon
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            more likely seeking desciples to obey the self-acclaimed great and powerful programmer and genius: himself. He really doesn't seem too keen on making profits, though wouldn't mind making some of his investment back, but he just wants everyone to recognize that he is smarter than everyone in the world, and we should all bow down and obey his will and kiss his feet and accept what ever he says as God's Gospel Truth. I wouldn't have half the problem I have with him, if we weren't so doggone stuck up on himself. But most of all, even science gave up on trying to use English for naming, because English is a constantly changing environment. What means one thing to one person will not necessarily mean the same to another. Science chose Latin because it was dead, it has fixed meanings. Although we communicate fine here "most of the time" every now and then you will find a message asking "what is that" or... "that means something else here, and I don't think you realize that." As I understand it you can say something like "I am going to step outside and enjoy a fag for 5 minutes." In the UK they'll think you are stepping out for a smoke. In Texas, you are likely to get beat up and fired, assuming you live through the beating. Although it is rare, it is common enough to generate bugs. He doesn't come from the same location in the USA, so his meaning for English words are not all identical to mine. He doesn't speak true English either, American English has diverged heavily. But regional dialects are more than just accents, regional meanings of words are enough to generate severe bugs in your code. Now you have to learn a new English language just to write bug-free code. No, I am glad that although high level languages are based on English words, they don't attempt to use them throughout. There is enough mental separation from speaking to programming to differentiate the two properly. Plus I am not sure it is a great idea to let everyone try to program. One of his goals is that with an English compiler, everyone could just write their own code. Although I agree it is possible, I disagree it is a good idea. Again, that is just asking for bugs. Not anything against normal folk, but us eccentric programmers have had to deal with logic errors/problems for ages. There would be more bugs in computers than the desert after a flash soaking rain. And that is saying something (at least to a local). :-D Anyhow, let sleeping dogs lie. He'll be back, of that I am sure. lets just enjoy the peace until then.

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              Why was everyone so mean to him? Atleast he tried to accomplish something. I do agree that trying to make a spoken language into a programming language is a bad thing. English is not designed to express the kind of thing you want to express when programming. But still, its his idea, so why the bashing? was he rude or arrogant or something like that? (seen quite a few post making fun of him) -- modified at 10:20 Thursday 20th September, 2007 Ok, just saw El Corazon's post.. :-P

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              He was very agressive with his idea, very asertive that this is what everyone should use because it is better than everything else and everyone else is stupid for not seeing that. He was also very persistant :P Edit: actually the post above says it better than I can: http://www.codeproject.com/lounge.asp?msg=2236613#xx2236613xx[^]

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              • O originSH

                The Grand Negus[^] I was chatting to someone today who was on about a natural english based language and thought of him hehe. I went and looked and most of his posts are deleted and the account abandoned ... did he finally get tired of the chilly reception his idea got?

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                Frank Kerrigan
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                I thought he went back to Deep Space 9 to visit an old friend wo runs a bar.

                Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http://www.frankkerrigan.com/[^]

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                • E El Corazon

                  more likely seeking desciples to obey the self-acclaimed great and powerful programmer and genius: himself. He really doesn't seem too keen on making profits, though wouldn't mind making some of his investment back, but he just wants everyone to recognize that he is smarter than everyone in the world, and we should all bow down and obey his will and kiss his feet and accept what ever he says as God's Gospel Truth. I wouldn't have half the problem I have with him, if we weren't so doggone stuck up on himself. But most of all, even science gave up on trying to use English for naming, because English is a constantly changing environment. What means one thing to one person will not necessarily mean the same to another. Science chose Latin because it was dead, it has fixed meanings. Although we communicate fine here "most of the time" every now and then you will find a message asking "what is that" or... "that means something else here, and I don't think you realize that." As I understand it you can say something like "I am going to step outside and enjoy a fag for 5 minutes." In the UK they'll think you are stepping out for a smoke. In Texas, you are likely to get beat up and fired, assuming you live through the beating. Although it is rare, it is common enough to generate bugs. He doesn't come from the same location in the USA, so his meaning for English words are not all identical to mine. He doesn't speak true English either, American English has diverged heavily. But regional dialects are more than just accents, regional meanings of words are enough to generate severe bugs in your code. Now you have to learn a new English language just to write bug-free code. No, I am glad that although high level languages are based on English words, they don't attempt to use them throughout. There is enough mental separation from speaking to programming to differentiate the two properly. Plus I am not sure it is a great idea to let everyone try to program. One of his goals is that with an English compiler, everyone could just write their own code. Although I agree it is possible, I disagree it is a good idea. Again, that is just asking for bugs. Not anything against normal folk, but us eccentric programmers have had to deal with logic errors/problems for ages. There would be more bugs in computers than the desert after a flash soaking rain. And that is saying something (at least to a local). :-D Anyhow, let sleeping dogs lie. He'll be back, of that I am sure. lets just enjoy the peace until then.

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                  originSH
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                  El Corazon wrote:

                  Plus I am not sure it is a great idea to let everyone try to program.

                  VB and PHP are good examples of why this is true.

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                  • E El Corazon

                    more likely seeking desciples to obey the self-acclaimed great and powerful programmer and genius: himself. He really doesn't seem too keen on making profits, though wouldn't mind making some of his investment back, but he just wants everyone to recognize that he is smarter than everyone in the world, and we should all bow down and obey his will and kiss his feet and accept what ever he says as God's Gospel Truth. I wouldn't have half the problem I have with him, if we weren't so doggone stuck up on himself. But most of all, even science gave up on trying to use English for naming, because English is a constantly changing environment. What means one thing to one person will not necessarily mean the same to another. Science chose Latin because it was dead, it has fixed meanings. Although we communicate fine here "most of the time" every now and then you will find a message asking "what is that" or... "that means something else here, and I don't think you realize that." As I understand it you can say something like "I am going to step outside and enjoy a fag for 5 minutes." In the UK they'll think you are stepping out for a smoke. In Texas, you are likely to get beat up and fired, assuming you live through the beating. Although it is rare, it is common enough to generate bugs. He doesn't come from the same location in the USA, so his meaning for English words are not all identical to mine. He doesn't speak true English either, American English has diverged heavily. But regional dialects are more than just accents, regional meanings of words are enough to generate severe bugs in your code. Now you have to learn a new English language just to write bug-free code. No, I am glad that although high level languages are based on English words, they don't attempt to use them throughout. There is enough mental separation from speaking to programming to differentiate the two properly. Plus I am not sure it is a great idea to let everyone try to program. One of his goals is that with an English compiler, everyone could just write their own code. Although I agree it is possible, I disagree it is a good idea. Again, that is just asking for bugs. Not anything against normal folk, but us eccentric programmers have had to deal with logic errors/problems for ages. There would be more bugs in computers than the desert after a flash soaking rain. And that is saying something (at least to a local). :-D Anyhow, let sleeping dogs lie. He'll be back, of that I am sure. lets just enjoy the peace until then.

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                    You mean that when I type "dra me a moighty fine picure of a girt big track'or, an make it re with girt big wheelies" I might not get what I bargain for? DAMMIT! I DEMAND TO BE ABLE TO PROGRAM IN WEST COUNTRY!

                    Me: Can you see the "up" arrow? User:Errr...ummm....no. Me: Can you see an arrow that points upwards? User: Oh yes, I see it now! -Excerpt from a support call taken by me, 08/31/2007

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                    • E Eytukan

                      I personally mailed him to know what he's upto and was amazed to know he's into a new prototype that will allow us to create applications for .net. A completely CLR based plain english compiler. He said he'd be busy for another two more months.


                      The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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                      Let's see ... "Plain English Compiler" based on .NET COBOL.NET[^] Ok, I'm just raggin on him, but I will mention this, on a more serious note: The English Language itself, is considered, by the world, to be the WORST spoken language to use/learn ... so why on Earth, if you were trying to construct a compiler that is supposedly easier than what exists today, would you base it on the worst spoken language? That makes no sense to me. Also, I don't care how much "Plain English" the compiler understands, you'll NEVER be able to escape the mathematics required to create complex applications, and that's were most persons have difficulties. Ok, I'm off my Plain English soap box now. -- modified at 11:48 Thursday 20th September, 2007


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                      • R Roger Alsing 0

                        Why was everyone so mean to him? Atleast he tried to accomplish something. I do agree that trying to make a spoken language into a programming language is a bad thing. English is not designed to express the kind of thing you want to express when programming. But still, its his idea, so why the bashing? was he rude or arrogant or something like that? (seen quite a few post making fun of him) -- modified at 10:20 Thursday 20th September, 2007 Ok, just saw El Corazon's post.. :-P

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                        For example, his raw language power[^] I really don't like people being so rude to him. His presence gave an excellent variety to the Lounge. Now we miss his messages. Atleast I do. :) He even used to correct my english :sigh: Long live OSMO !


                        The Advantage in work-from-home is that... we can blame the dog -Mark Salsbery Best wishes to Rexx[^]

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                        • E El Corazon

                          more likely seeking desciples to obey the self-acclaimed great and powerful programmer and genius: himself. He really doesn't seem too keen on making profits, though wouldn't mind making some of his investment back, but he just wants everyone to recognize that he is smarter than everyone in the world, and we should all bow down and obey his will and kiss his feet and accept what ever he says as God's Gospel Truth. I wouldn't have half the problem I have with him, if we weren't so doggone stuck up on himself. But most of all, even science gave up on trying to use English for naming, because English is a constantly changing environment. What means one thing to one person will not necessarily mean the same to another. Science chose Latin because it was dead, it has fixed meanings. Although we communicate fine here "most of the time" every now and then you will find a message asking "what is that" or... "that means something else here, and I don't think you realize that." As I understand it you can say something like "I am going to step outside and enjoy a fag for 5 minutes." In the UK they'll think you are stepping out for a smoke. In Texas, you are likely to get beat up and fired, assuming you live through the beating. Although it is rare, it is common enough to generate bugs. He doesn't come from the same location in the USA, so his meaning for English words are not all identical to mine. He doesn't speak true English either, American English has diverged heavily. But regional dialects are more than just accents, regional meanings of words are enough to generate severe bugs in your code. Now you have to learn a new English language just to write bug-free code. No, I am glad that although high level languages are based on English words, they don't attempt to use them throughout. There is enough mental separation from speaking to programming to differentiate the two properly. Plus I am not sure it is a great idea to let everyone try to program. One of his goals is that with an English compiler, everyone could just write their own code. Although I agree it is possible, I disagree it is a good idea. Again, that is just asking for bugs. Not anything against normal folk, but us eccentric programmers have had to deal with logic errors/problems for ages. There would be more bugs in computers than the desert after a flash soaking rain. And that is saying something (at least to a local). :-D Anyhow, let sleeping dogs lie. He'll be back, of that I am sure. lets just enjoy the peace until then.

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                          Eytukan
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                          Just reading your post. Just started.lol not yet finished. Just a notification. hehe!


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                            Just reading your post. Just started.lol not yet finished. Just a notification. hehe!


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                            El Corazon
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                            VuNic wrote:

                            Just started.lol not yet finished. Just a notification. hehe!

                            are you calling me a windbag? a bag-o-wind, a gabber, a jabber, a motor-mouth, a blast of hot air, a politician wannabe, a blowhard, a yapper, a gasbag, a babbler, a babblemouth, a blabber, a blabberer, a chatterbox? huh? huh? what chu tri'n ta say? ;P

                            _________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)

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                              Why was everyone so mean to him? Atleast he tried to accomplish something. I do agree that trying to make a spoken language into a programming language is a bad thing. English is not designed to express the kind of thing you want to express when programming. But still, its his idea, so why the bashing? was he rude or arrogant or something like that? (seen quite a few post making fun of him) -- modified at 10:20 Thursday 20th September, 2007 Ok, just saw El Corazon's post.. :-P

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                              Roger J wrote:

                              was he rude or arrogant or something like that?

                              First he told us we all should give up floating point numbers. Everything in the world could be expressed in rational representations of integer division. Everything. Everywhere. When I tried to explain to him the problems with speed and the reasons for why 754 float was chosen (it's a binary thing for speed again). He basically lamblasted me for following ancient idiotic ideas and that no one should ever use float, repeat ad absurdum. I explained I needed physics, and graphics. He said I was a fool for believing that, I needed none of those things. No one actually needed higher math for anything, anywhere. He said anyone who couldn't realize why his code was great, was an idiot (or rather, "showing their lack of intelligence" to which he included proof by way of his IQ and his bank account value - uh huh). He never really called anyone an "idiot," but he assured everyone that he was smarter than anyone here, richer, and was the only person who mattered in the world, and anyone who didn't realize this, was demonstrating their lower intelligence. He complained to us that we were not listening to HIM because all his ideas were right, all our ideas were ancient history from the day that he had the idea of his compiler. He constantly advertised in the lounge on endless numbers of replies trying to "help" that person find the path to God's choice in compilers: the plain english compiler, and God's choice to lead us all... himself. When the site admin/owner/head-geek/commander-of-all-rodents/supplier-of-all-we-see/etc. explained that he was violating the rules by advertising in the lounge. Chris was polite at first, until the Negas explained that he could do what ever he wanted, when ever he wanted, and any violation was proof the rules were wrong, not him. Chris got tougher, Negas backed down a bit, submitted an advertising AFTER he had ticked off 90% of the people here. The advertising pulled in one minion, to which he celebrated, and reminded us constantly, but it also showed we are all lacking the intelligence to follow through, because if we were smarter we all should have gone running to his site and paid the money. He then spent a couple weeks complaining to everyone about how he wasted his money advertising and it was all OUR fault, and that it proved he was right and justified to advertise for free. So then he started hitting the VB and C boards and answering their questions with "move t

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                              • F Frank Kerrigan

                                I thought he went back to Deep Space 9 to visit an old friend wo runs a bar.

                                Grady Booch: I told Google to their face...what you need is some serious adult supervision. (2007 Turing lecture) http://www.frankkerrigan.com/[^]

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                                Or was assimilated.

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