Where has the satire gone.
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I know they both start with an S, but satire takes a keener eye than sarcasm. :cool:
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
sat·ire (săt'īr') pronunciation n.
- a) A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. b) The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature.
- 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
After the response to my post yesterday the indication is yes satire is dead in the Lounge...and forgotten.
What do you mean? There was some great satire posted in response to your failed attempt at satire (if that's really what you want to claim that was).
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David Kentley wrote:
What do you mean? There was some great satire posted in response to your failed attempt at satire (if that's really what you want to claim that was).
Ummm, ok. I guess you'd have to know me better to know if that was or was not my intent yesterday. Have you read Swift? The reason I ask is what I saw was a lot of sarcasm yesterday, but no satire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift[^]
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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sat·ire (săt'īr') pronunciation n.
- a) A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. b) The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature.
- 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift[^]
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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Is satire dead in the lounge? I don't mean the psuedo-satire, the wink-wink-I-am-clever-with-this-pop-culture-reference type of satire that only a television watching veggie would find witty. I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire. After the response to my post yesterday the indication is yes satire is dead in the Lounge...and forgotten.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
Jerry Hammond wrote:
I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire.
The main problem with this request is that you are assuming similar experiences. There is satire here, but much of it is lost due to multi-regional influences. When you poke some fun at something expecting change, how do you know how it will be received? Due to lingual differences in English and differing experiences, one-man's satire gets accepted as raw opinion. Well that wasn't how it was meant, perse, as said satire takes a keen sense -- by both the writer and the reader. With so much varied experience, satire is missed, and sarcasm taken seriously. This happens constantly. It isn't that it does not exist in the lounge, it is that it is very difficult except in cases of common experience (some of the satire poking at VS, given common experiences are great!)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Is satire dead in the lounge? I don't mean the psuedo-satire, the wink-wink-I-am-clever-with-this-pop-culture-reference type of satire that only a television watching veggie would find witty. I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire. After the response to my post yesterday the indication is yes satire is dead in the Lounge...and forgotten.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
I got your satire right here. :rolleyes:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift[^]
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
you want Swift, read Swift. otherwise, you get what you pay for. personally, i'd like it if people phrased all their posts in the form of a Limerick or an Italian sonnet. i think it would raise the level of discourse and get people to focus on what it is they're trying to say. i don't do that with my own posts because i know nobody would follow my lead, and i'd end up looking like a freak.
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David Kentley wrote:
What do you mean? There was some great satire posted in response to your failed attempt at satire (if that's really what you want to claim that was).
Ummm, ok. I guess you'd have to know me better to know if that was or was not my intent yesterday. Have you read Swift? The reason I ask is what I saw was a lot of sarcasm yesterday, but no satire. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift[^]
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
So you would like your weaknesses and foibles held up for ridicule, especially so we can try to persuade you to reform. Okey dokey. If that's what you really want. BTW - if you follow the Swift link to Satire[^], you will find the rather entertaining line: A very common, almost defining feature of satire is a strong vein of irony or sarcasm. The replies to the google post yesterday seemed to have an abundance of sarcasm.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Jerry Hammond wrote:
I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire.
The main problem with this request is that you are assuming similar experiences. There is satire here, but much of it is lost due to multi-regional influences. When you poke some fun at something expecting change, how do you know how it will be received? Due to lingual differences in English and differing experiences, one-man's satire gets accepted as raw opinion. Well that wasn't how it was meant, perse, as said satire takes a keen sense -- by both the writer and the reader. With so much varied experience, satire is missed, and sarcasm taken seriously. This happens constantly. It isn't that it does not exist in the lounge, it is that it is very difficult except in cases of common experience (some of the satire poking at VS, given common experiences are great!)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
This happens constantly. It isn't that it does not exist in the lounge, it is that it is very difficult except in cases of common experience (some of the satire poking at VS, given common experiences are great!)
Do you mind. I'm upper class. Nothing common here.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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sat·ire (săt'īr') pronunciation n.
- a) A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit. b) The branch of literature constituting such works. See synonyms at caricature.
- 2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.
Welp, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I think that the best satire does not need to stoop to the use of sarcasm to be effective. I disagree with definition two. Obviously.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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you want Swift, read Swift. otherwise, you get what you pay for. personally, i'd like it if people phrased all their posts in the form of a Limerick or an Italian sonnet. i think it would raise the level of discourse and get people to focus on what it is they're trying to say. i don't do that with my own posts because i know nobody would follow my lead, and i'd end up looking like a freak.
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So you would like your weaknesses and foibles held up for ridicule, especially so we can try to persuade you to reform. Okey dokey. If that's what you really want. BTW - if you follow the Swift link to Satire[^], you will find the rather entertaining line: A very common, almost defining feature of satire is a strong vein of irony or sarcasm. The replies to the google post yesterday seemed to have an abundance of sarcasm.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O`Hanlon wrote:
So you would like your weaknesses and foibles held up for ridicule, especially so we can try to persuade you to reform.
Oh geez. Two styles...and in my opinion, distinct styles of humor. I think satire takes the higher road.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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Is satire dead in the lounge? I don't mean the psuedo-satire, the wink-wink-I-am-clever-with-this-pop-culture-reference type of satire that only a television watching veggie would find witty. I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire. After the response to my post yesterday the indication is yes satire is dead in the Lounge...and forgotten.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
Q: Where has the satire gone A: East region
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Welp, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree. I think that the best satire does not need to stoop to the use of sarcasm to be effective. I disagree with definition two. Obviously.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
satire is simply sarcasm pounded thin and crusted with pretense, drawn-out and served in small bites. i prefer the raw product - the flavor's much more intense.
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Is satire dead in the lounge? I don't mean the psuedo-satire, the wink-wink-I-am-clever-with-this-pop-culture-reference type of satire that only a television watching veggie would find witty. I am talking about intellent, robust, full, rich, red blooded Swiftian satire. After the response to my post yesterday the indication is yes satire is dead in the Lounge...and forgotten.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
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...i'm so confused... :sigh:
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
Now that is satire. And you didn't even stoop to sarcasm. :laugh:
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I think Haiku should be acceptable too!
Swift in an haiku for you... Swift is the salesman Swiftly taking your money Switfly you are broke ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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...i'm so confused... :sigh:
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...the wind blows over it and it is gone, and its place remembers it no more...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Swift[^]
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. Arthur C. Clarke
Jerry Hammond wrote:
"He is also known for being a master of two styles of satire; the Horatian and Juvenalian styles." You will also find those referred to as "formal" satire various places.... "From: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition | Date: 2007 Print Digg del.icio.us satire term applied to any work of literature or art whose objective is ridicule. It is more easily recognized than defined. From ancient times satirists have shared a common aim: to expose foolishness in all its guises—vanity, hypocrisy, pedantry, idolatry, bigotry, sentimentality—and to effect reform through such exposure. The many diverse forms their statements have taken reflect the origin of the word satire, which is derived from the Latin satura, meaning "dish of mixed fruits," hence a medley."
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Swift in an haiku for you... Swift is the salesman Swiftly taking your money Switfly you are broke ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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This is harder than it looks. :doh:
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