The next time...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
and them's fighting words, mate.
I'm game.
_Damian S_ wrote:
could you just remind me where I spent last week again??
I don't even remember where I spent last week.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm game.
Well, next time you are in Australia, feel free to pop around and tell me that I would rather see people with cancer die than let go of my political ideology (of which I don't particularly have one, but that's another story), and I'll happily smack you in the face for it... Since you don't remember - I'll refresh your memory for you... I spent last week away with Camp Quality - an organisation that brings fun and laughter to the lives of children living with cancer and leukaemia (and their families). Think you picked the wrong person to make (baseless) accusations about letting people die who have cancer...
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Except neither I or the article's author say anything about the border crossings as being a problem for the US merely an indication that their system ain't perfect either.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
border crossings as being a problem for the US
No, that was humour... I recognised it...
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Diego Moita wrote:
It means I was deliberatively exaggerating your ridiculous claims as a form of irony, to show how they are irrelevant.
Except that the hyperbole you chose was not germane to the discussion or article thus irrelevant itself.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Except that the hyperbole you chose was not germane to the discussion or article thus irrelevant itself.
:doh: Holly crap, I don't believe I really need to explain this. You are doing an huge effort to not understand anything just to save a blotched post. Give it up, man; the ship has sunk already and is in the deep bottom of the ocean. (Oh, this is a metaphor; also a figure of speech not to be taken literally). Not being "germane" (or related) is exactly what makes an hyperbole be absurd. If it were "germane" it wouldn't be absurd and therefore wouldn't be an hyperbole.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm game.
Well, next time you are in Australia, feel free to pop around and tell me that I would rather see people with cancer die than let go of my political ideology (of which I don't particularly have one, but that's another story), and I'll happily smack you in the face for it... Since you don't remember - I'll refresh your memory for you... I spent last week away with Camp Quality - an organisation that brings fun and laughter to the lives of children living with cancer and leukaemia (and their families). Think you picked the wrong person to make (baseless) accusations about letting people die who have cancer...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Well, next time you are in Australia, feel free to pop around and tell me that I would rather see people with cancer die than let go of my political ideology (of which I don't particularly have one, but that's another story), and I'll happily smack you in the face for it...
And if you're ever in Indiana give me a ring.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Think you picked the wrong person to make (baseless) accusations about letting people die who have cancer...
I think you're the one who did that...
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
None of us refuse to help Americans without health insurance
So how can this be achieved?
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Why are you Australians so arrogant to think your way is the only way to do anything
I never said that, in fact I think I was quite careful not to say it as I don't believe it.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
cp9876 wrote:
So how can this be achieved?
It is already there. Medicaid[^] may need some tweaks, but it works. As for those not covered because they make enough but choose not to buy insurance or are are between jobs, they can be addressed with an approach much less radical than scrapping everything that does work to try a Federal single payer system run by the least competent organization in the country. Note that the majority of those covered by Medicaid are still counted as "people who don't have Medical Insurance coverage". Some good Ideas on how that can be improved[^]
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
border crossings as being a problem for the US
No, that was humour... I recognised it...
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_Damian S_ wrote:
Well, next time you are in Australia, feel free to pop around and tell me that I would rather see people with cancer die than let go of my political ideology (of which I don't particularly have one, but that's another story), and I'll happily smack you in the face for it...
And if you're ever in Indiana give me a ring.
_Damian S_ wrote:
Think you picked the wrong person to make (baseless) accusations about letting people die who have cancer...
I think you're the one who did that...
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I think you're the one who did that...
errrrrrrrrr Nope... I would not want it even if it meant the death of evrey single American from cancer next week. - Stan Shannon[^]
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I love watching soapbox reasoning - find the worst example of something with a similar name and tear it to pieces, therefore proving your point. Using this 'reasoning' one can 'prove' many things: Republics are bad (Saddam led the Republic of Iraq) Republicans are bad (insert your favourite Republican loon here) Democrats are bad (insert your favourite Democrat loon here) Prescription Drugs are bad (insert your favourite fatal side effect / drug interaction story here) 1=2 (I'm sure I saw it on a website somewhere) ... Where is true American innovation. Why don't folks try to identify the faults in the current system and see if it could be improved? Why would Americans even consider adopting a failed system? All I see here is bigotry and selfishness - a stubborn refusal to help those without health insurance. You happily allow your taxes be spent to build infrastructure to help power your economy, to educate the masses as this helps the economy, has anyone here even considered that a healthy, educated population may bring even more economic benefits. Of course you don't have to follow any other model, but why don't you see what you can come up with? Of course, some would say that looking after those who can't help themselves should be rewarding in itself.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
Very well said. And this bears repeating: has anyone here even considered that a healthy, educated population may bring even more economic benefits.
Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Except that the hyperbole you chose was not germane to the discussion or article thus irrelevant itself.
:doh: Holly crap, I don't believe I really need to explain this. You are doing an huge effort to not understand anything just to save a blotched post. Give it up, man; the ship has sunk already and is in the deep bottom of the ocean. (Oh, this is a metaphor; also a figure of speech not to be taken literally). Not being "germane" (or related) is exactly what makes an hyperbole be absurd. If it were "germane" it wouldn't be absurd and therefore wouldn't be an hyperbole.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Diego Moita wrote:
Not being "germane" (or related) is exactly what makes an hyperbole be absurd.
No, its the exaggeration of hyperbole that makes it absurd. If one makes exaggerated, unrelated comments it's not hyperbole - it's just plain dumb - as evidenced by your initial post. :doh:
Diego Moita wrote:
You are doing an huge effort to not understand anything just to save a blotched post.
Either present an opinion that is relevent or go away troll.
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I think your view of the medical industry is fairly naive. Just some examples: We recently had a SB thread about banning ads for formula from maternity wards, and it emerged that rates of breastfeeding in the US were as low as 25%. This is clearly the 'success' of formula marketing campaigns, clearly undertaken to maximise profit when the benefits of breastfeeding are undisputed. These are the same companies that successfully marketed formula to the third world killing countless babies as mothers tried this great health innovation from the west. We now know that 90% of ulcers are caused by a bacteria, helicobacter pylori. Yet some of the biggest selling drugs are the proton pump inhibitors developed earlier. These are great for the drug companies as they are used 'for ever', but the correct antibiotic will cure the ulcer. Why are they even being marketed? There is a great tendency for doctors to prescribe anti-depressants, I don't have the numbers, but I'm sure that the US must be one of the world's largest consumers of anti-depressants. Are you really a depressed country, or simply over-prescribed? -- modified at 22:04 Wednesday 10th October, 2007
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
cp9876 wrote:
We now know that 90% of ulcers are caused by a bacteria, helicobacter pylori. Yet some of the biggest selling drugs are the proton pump inhibitors developed earlier. These are great for the drug companies as they are used 'for ever', but the correct antibiotic will cure the ulcer. Why are they even being marketed?
Having recently been treated for that I can debunk that "problem" completely. The acid inhibitors (and proton pump inhibitors are just one kind of acid production suppressant), are an essential part of the treatment for helicobacter pylori, as it is necessary to reduce the acid level to improve the effectiveness of the antibiotics required. Even so, the antibiotic dosage needed is astounding. The main use for the proton pump inhibitors is not for the treatment of stomach ulcers at all, but rather for the treatment of gastric reflux disease, in which helicobacter plays no role. As for being over prescribed, that is a possibility, but seems a bit dubious. My health insurance provider monitors prescriptions rather rigorously, and will object if it thinks something is unjustified or inappropriate. The chances that the federal government would ever manage to have such individual focus is nil. It is in the health insurers profitability interest to minimize cost and abuse, even though their profits are capped in most states. Change this to a federal bureaucracy and you will replace the motivation for cost containment and efficiency with incompetence, bribery, corruption and political influence.
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Hillary, Edwards, or Obama will fix that soon. I wonder how the Canadians will manage to make it our fault that their safety net disappears if we adopt their model...
Rob Graham wrote:
Hillary, Edwards, or Obama will fix that soon. I wonder how the Canadians will manage to make it our fault that their safety net disappears if we adopt their model...
Maybe it's time to stop wondering, eh?[^]
Man is a marvelous curiosity ... he thinks he is the Creator's pet ... he even believes the Creator loves him; has a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes and watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to him and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea. - Mark Twain
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No need to correct my spelling - it's correct here!!
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No need to correct my spelling - it's correct here!!
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Diego Moita wrote:
Not being "germane" (or related) is exactly what makes an hyperbole be absurd.
No, its the exaggeration of hyperbole that makes it absurd. If one makes exaggerated, unrelated comments it's not hyperbole - it's just plain dumb - as evidenced by your initial post. :doh:
Diego Moita wrote:
You are doing an huge effort to not understand anything just to save a blotched post.
Either present an opinion that is relevent or go away troll.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
No, its the exaggeration of hyperbole that makes it absurd. If one makes exaggerated, unrelated comments it's not hyperbole - it's just plain dumb - as evidenced by your initial post.
My post was brilliant and related to the post, dumb-ass. 40 is an irrelevant percentage of more than 40 000 (do you need help with the calculator?). This shows that the article and you are blowing a small case out of proportions and that was my point, stupid troll.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
No, its the exaggeration of hyperbole that makes it absurd. If one makes exaggerated, unrelated comments it's not hyperbole - it's just plain dumb - as evidenced by your initial post.
My post was brilliant and related to the post, dumb-ass. 40 is an irrelevant percentage of more than 40 000 (do you need help with the calculator?). This shows that the article and you are blowing a small case out of proportions and that was my point, stupid troll.
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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_Damian S_ wrote:
No need to correct my spelling - it's correct here!!
I was just trying to show everyone that in spelling (like health care) there are more than one way to do things. ;P
Touche...
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I think you're the one who did that...
errrrrrrrrr Nope... I would not want it even if it meant the death of evrey single American from cancer next week. - Stan Shannon[^]
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Which clearly indicates 'everyone' not 'someone'. I was merely trying to be egalitarian. :~
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
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You're being deliberately obtuse. As I'm sure you are aware, we have a public health system ( and a private one, too ). I pay an extra 2% Medicare levy on top of my taxes. The doctor gets paid by Medicare out of my visit. I can elect to go to what's called a bulk billing doctor, where I pay nothing, or I can go to a doctor who charges more than the prescribed fee. The Medicare fee is $32, my doctor charges $55 and I get the $32 back from Medicare. Not claiming our system is perfect, but I think we do a better job than the US, or Canada.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
Christian Graus wrote:
I pay an extra 2% Medicare levy on top of my taxes.
Only 1.5% Quote the ATO:
Medicare is the scheme that gives Australian residents access to health care.
To help fund the scheme, resident taxpayers are subject to a Medicare levy.
Normally, we calculate your Medicare levy at the rate of 1.5% of your taxable income.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Stan, I'd say you're the one stretching your politics to fit this situation.
I firmly believe that politics provides the best solution to this issue, and that it is very odd that there would be so much international attention paid American health care. I think it is seen as the greatest opportunity to finally getting the US in proper alignment with the international socialist movement.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
I tend to believe that we're just all incredulous. If that's in part from lack of good information is open for debate, but still.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )
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Christian Graus wrote:
I pay an extra 2% Medicare levy on top of my taxes.
Only 1.5% Quote the ATO:
Medicare is the scheme that gives Australian residents access to health care.
To help fund the scheme, resident taxpayers are subject to a Medicare levy.
Normally, we calculate your Medicare levy at the rate of 1.5% of your taxable income.
OK, my bad.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "I am working on a project that will convert a FORTRAN code to corresponding C++ code.I am not aware of FORTRAN syntax" ( spotted in the C++/CLI forum )