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  • R Red Stateler

    Matthew Faithful is suggesting a secret organization that controls the media to force it into being liberal. That is, of course, crazy. I'm saying (quite sanely) that it's just the result of liberals being attracted to the media.


    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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    led mike
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    Red Stateler wrote:

    I'm saying (quite sanely) that it's just the result of liberals being attracted to the media.

    Right because conservatives are not, which is why Bush hired a FOX journalist as his White House Press Secretary. Here's a tip, using a bigger shovel doesn't help you stop digging a hole.

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    • R Red Stateler

      Matthew Faithful is suggesting a secret organization that controls the media to force it into being liberal. That is, of course, crazy. I'm saying (quite sanely) that it's just the result of liberals being attracted to the media.


      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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      Matthew Faithfull
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      If you mean the half a dozen men who own a controlling interest in 80% of it (US), yes. Only it's not secret just beyond your pathetic ability to believe or comprehend and 'force it into being liberal' is only half of their work. The other half being forcing it into being conservative. When I tell you that those men and several dozen other smaller players are members of the same exclusive club which meets in secret with the likes of Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissenger you'll freak out and start talking tin foil hats. If you were capable of accessing reality you'd check and find that it's true. "There is no such thing as an independent press in America, unless it is in the country towns. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print." "I am paid $150.00 a week for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should permit honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, like Othello, before twenty-four hours, my occupation would be gone." "The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes." John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune.

      Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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        Red Stateler wrote:

        Oh no!!! It must be a conspiracy!

        Have to get Matthew to look into that :)

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        Matthew Faithfull
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        If you insist. Meanwhile chew on these if you will... "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991 "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

        Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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          Red Stateler wrote:

          (perhaps because it's one of Marx's commandments),

          I love it. Engage even a few brain cells and you will realise that it's only people who are anti-left who even remember the existence of Marx's 'commandments' these days. :laugh:

          Red Stateler wrote:

          Your madness stems from your insistence that the world follow a particular order

          Hmm my madness is that I believe in reason, order and cause and effect. Madness indeed! :laugh:

          Red Stateler wrote:

          Left-wing political congruity among media outlets is no more surprising than right-wing political congruity among Christians

          Oh it just gets better, Christians Socialists all over Europe are rolling in the isles.

          Red Stateler wrote:

          is he talking about your conspiracies (e.g. the illuminati)?

          Illuminati? An organisation effectively eliminated by mass state assasination in Bavaria several hundred years ago, exactly how mad are you? No on second thoughts I don't want to know. So much irony I can hardly type. Before I die laughing I should probably try to explain how the whole fake existence in your warped mind of the false left-right dichotomy is a result of the 'media congruity' you so hilariously attribute to its own fictional creation. How that congruity is generated largely by the employement in the media of dupes just like you, Ann C comes to mind, who perpetuate the fiction on behalf of their employers who draw straws to see who will play 'leftist' and who will play 'rightist' this year while they sit around their comfortably appointed round tables in their private clubs joking about how stupid the sheep are and how easy it is to take them in. Yes it's you they're laughing at and it is the only thing I have in common with them. Once again thanks to you I'll be giggling all the way home :laugh:

          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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          Allow me to elaborate[^] on your madness.

          Indicators of Delusion:

          1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
          2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of
            life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
          3. Despite his profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or
            suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
          4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
          5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange
            things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
          6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong
            emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
          7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
          8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other
            elements of his psyche (psychology).
          9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out
            of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
          10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are
            uncharacteristic and alien.

          Features:

          1. It is a primary disorder.
          2. It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the
            patient clings with extraordinary tenacity.
          3. The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.
          4. The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
          5. The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the
            delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance
            of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional
            beliefs.
          6. The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to
            others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the
            atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.

          Types:

          Persecutory Type: delusion that the person (or someone to whom the person is close) is
          being malevolently treated in some way.

          Yup...That's you alright.


          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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          • M Matthew Faithfull

            If you insist. Meanwhile chew on these if you will... "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." David Rockefeller, Baden-Baden, Germany 1991 "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller

            Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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            Lost User
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            Did you not see the :) in my response to Red. Perhaps I should have also used the Joke image instead of the general comment image in the subject. Lighten-up Matthew .

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            • M Matthew Faithfull

              If you mean the half a dozen men who own a controlling interest in 80% of it (US), yes. Only it's not secret just beyond your pathetic ability to believe or comprehend and 'force it into being liberal' is only half of their work. The other half being forcing it into being conservative. When I tell you that those men and several dozen other smaller players are members of the same exclusive club which meets in secret with the likes of Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissenger you'll freak out and start talking tin foil hats. If you were capable of accessing reality you'd check and find that it's true. "There is no such thing as an independent press in America, unless it is in the country towns. You know it and I know it. There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print." "I am paid $150.00 a week for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for doing similar things. If I should permit honest opinions to be printed in one issue of my paper, like Othello, before twenty-four hours, my occupation would be gone." "The business of the New York journalist is to destroy truth; to lie outright; to pervert; to vilify, to fawn at the feet of Mammon; to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. We are the tools and vessels for rich men behind the scenes. We are intellectual prostitutes." John Swinton, editor of the New York Tribune.

              Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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              Red Stateler
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              Matthew Faithfull wrote:

              If you mean the half a dozen men who own a controlling interest in 80% of it

              Ummmm...I can think of more than half a dozen media barons off the top of my head.


              Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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              • R Red Stateler

                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                If you mean the half a dozen men who own a controlling interest in 80% of it

                Ummmm...I can think of more than half a dozen media barons off the top of my head.


                Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                Exactly, way to respond directly to the previous post... you really showed him and proved your point of view. U DA MAN!

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                • L led mike

                  Exactly, way to respond directly to the previous post... you really showed him and proved your point of view. U DA MAN!

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                  Red Stateler
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                  led mike wrote:

                  U DA MAN

                  Well....Yeah.


                  Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                  • R Red Stateler

                    link[^]

                    The ruckus over the Rush Limbaugh "phony soldiers" statement is dying down. It
                    ought not to. There is a huge story here.
                    ...
                    Less than two minutes after uttering the words "phony soldiers," Limbaugh elaborated on
                    the subject, explaining exactly what he meant by the term. He named one Jesse Macbeth
                    as an example of a phony soldier. Macbeth had become an overnight darling of the far
                    left, a self-described Iraq war veteran and Purple Heart recipient who posted a YouTube
                    video denouncing American military atrocities he'd witnessed.

                    Except he was never awarded a Purple Heart. He was never in Iraq. In fact, he was never
                    in the military, period. He was tossed out of boot camp after four months. Macbeth is
                    now in prison serving a five-month term for falsifying Army records and applying
                    falsely for veterans' benefits. Limbaugh was right.
                    ...
                    So the left returned with another charge: Limbaugh had used the plural, "phony
                    soldiers," therefore Limbaugh's sole example — Macbeth — was inadequate. So are there
                    any other "phony soldiers" out there? Jeffrey Sullivan, the U.S. attorney for the
                    Western District of Washington, thinks so. Besides prosecuting Macbeth, he's prosecuted
                    another five "phony soldiers." Jim O'Neill, the assistant inspector general for
                    investigations at the Veterans Administration, confirms that the federal government is
                    presently conducting another 60 such "stolen valor" cases. Rush was right, in
                    spades.

                    The left must be entirely frustrated that they no longer completely control the media. It makes lies like this so difficult to gain traction.


                    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                    This [^] explains things nicely. The left is going to try to eliminate anyone capable of injecting the truth about them into the national conscious, so that they can inject as many uncontested lies as possible about the opposition. led Mike, Matthew, et al, are perfect examples of the end result. Hillary is a socialist pure and simple and she is a leader of a party best understood as Marxist. And that is all the debate should really be all about. The is nothing more complex about it than that. The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for. All the significant lies are coming from the left.

                    The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                      This [^] explains things nicely. The left is going to try to eliminate anyone capable of injecting the truth about them into the national conscious, so that they can inject as many uncontested lies as possible about the opposition. led Mike, Matthew, et al, are perfect examples of the end result. Hillary is a socialist pure and simple and she is a leader of a party best understood as Marxist. And that is all the debate should really be all about. The is nothing more complex about it than that. The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for. All the significant lies are coming from the left.

                      The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                      "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.” You're going to come with Religious references? Really? After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view? You sure about that?

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                        "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.” You're going to come with Religious references? Really? After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view? You sure about that?

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                        led mike wrote:

                        After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view?

                        When did Jesus preach about tolerance? :confused:


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                          This [^] explains things nicely. The left is going to try to eliminate anyone capable of injecting the truth about them into the national conscious, so that they can inject as many uncontested lies as possible about the opposition. led Mike, Matthew, et al, are perfect examples of the end result. Hillary is a socialist pure and simple and she is a leader of a party best understood as Marxist. And that is all the debate should really be all about. The is nothing more complex about it than that. The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for. All the significant lies are coming from the left.

                          The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                          led mike
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                          Stan Shannon wrote:

                          The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for.

                          Yeah, a "wide stance".

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                          • R Red Stateler

                            led mike wrote:

                            After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view?

                            When did Jesus preach about tolerance? :confused:


                            Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                            Red Stateler wrote:

                            When did Jesus preach about tolerance?

                            Oh I dunno.. that whole "cast the first stone" thing. Oh, and washing the leper's feet.


                            The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                              This [^] explains things nicely. The left is going to try to eliminate anyone capable of injecting the truth about them into the national conscious, so that they can inject as many uncontested lies as possible about the opposition. led Mike, Matthew, et al, are perfect examples of the end result. Hillary is a socialist pure and simple and she is a leader of a party best understood as Marxist. And that is all the debate should really be all about. The is nothing more complex about it than that. The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for. All the significant lies are coming from the left.

                              The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                              The most intellectually dishonest piece of trash I have ever read. I want my 30 seconds back.


                              The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                                Red Stateler wrote:

                                When did Jesus preach about tolerance?

                                Oh I dunno.. that whole "cast the first stone" thing. Oh, and washing the leper's feet.


                                The early bird who catches the worm works for someone who comes in late and owns the worm farm. -- Travis McGee

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                                Patrick Sears wrote:

                                Oh I dunno.. that whole "cast the first stone" thing. Oh, and washing the leper's feet.

                                That's not tolerance. That's love. Tolerance denotes that one must not condemn the sin for which those people were being stoned (because worldviews, regardless of their sinful nature, are to be given equal weight).


                                Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                • R Red Stateler

                                  led mike wrote:

                                  After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view?

                                  When did Jesus preach about tolerance? :confused:


                                  Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                  Red Stateler wrote:

                                  When did Jesus preach about tolerance?

                                  No doubt he didn't in your Bible translated by Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh.

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                                    Stan Shannon wrote:

                                    The right is generally honest about who and what they are and the principles they stand for.

                                    Yeah, a "wide stance".

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                                    led mike wrote:

                                    wide stance".

                                    “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this. They can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” Damn, man, right on script! You're really good.

                                    The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                                      "the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.” You're going to come with Religious references? Really? After God sent his Son to preach tolerance and forgiveness, which you completely oppose, and you want to go with Religious references to prove your point of view? You sure about that?

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                                      Stan Shannon
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                                      What? That was Saul's reference, not mine.

                                      The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.

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                                      • L Lost User

                                        Did you not see the :) in my response to Red. Perhaps I should have also used the Joke image instead of the general comment image in the subject. Lighten-up Matthew .

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                                        Matthew Faithfull
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                                        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                        Lighten-up Matthew .

                                        If you read my posts on this thread you'd know I'm laughing so muc tha probably wouldn't be agood idea right now. I might float away :laugh:

                                        Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                        • R Red Stateler

                                          Allow me to elaborate[^] on your madness.

                                          Indicators of Delusion:

                                          1. The patient expresses an idea or belief with unusual persistence or force.
                                          2. That idea appears to exert an undue influence on his or her life, and the way of
                                            life is often altered to an inexplicable extent.
                                          3. Despite his profound conviction, there is often a quality of secretiveness or
                                            suspicion when the patient is questioned about it.
                                          4. The individual tends to be humorless and oversensitive, especially about the belief.
                                          5. There is a quality of centrality: no matter how unlikely it is that these strange
                                            things are happening to him, the patient accepts them relatively unquestioningly.
                                          6. An attempt to contradict the belief is likely to arouse an inappropriately strong
                                            emotional reaction, often with irritability and hostility.
                                          7. The belief is, at the least, unlikely.
                                          8. The patient is emotionally over-invested in the idea and it overwhelms other
                                            elements of his psyche (psychology).
                                          9. The delusion, if acted out, often leads to behaviors which are abnormal and/or out
                                            of character, although perhaps understandable in the light of the delusional beliefs.
                                          10. Individuals who know the patient will observe that his belief and behavior are
                                            uncharacteristic and alien.

                                          Features:

                                          1. It is a primary disorder.
                                          2. It is a stable disorder characterized by the presence of delusions to which the
                                            patient clings with extraordinary tenacity.
                                          3. The illness is chronic and frequently lifelong.
                                          4. The delusions are logically constructed and internally consistent.
                                          5. The delusions do not interfere with general logical reasoning (although within the
                                            delusional system the logic is perverted) and there is usually no general disturbance
                                            of behavior. If disturbed behavior does occur, it is directly related to the delusional
                                            beliefs.
                                          6. The individual experiences a heightened sense of self-reference. Events which, to
                                            others, are nonsignificant are of enormous significance to him or her, and the
                                            atmosphere surrounding the delusions is highly charged.

                                          Types:

                                          Persecutory Type: delusion that the person (or someone to whom the person is close) is
                                          being malevolently treated in some way.

                                          Yup...That's you alright.


                                          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                          Matthew Faithfull
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                                          Well lets see Red are you on to something or just regurgitating garbage... 1. True of every believer in every religion for example from the point of view of any given agnostic/atheist. Non diagnostic of anything. 2. ditto 3. Doesn't sound like me. 4. Definitely doesn't sound like me. 5. Nothing 'strange' has happened to me in years. You must be thinking of someone else. 6. Not really. I let Zepellin and company rant their blasphemy all over the soap box and only occassionly step in and attempt to educate them with reasonable restraint. I haven't condemned anyone to eternal torment in ohh, ages and ages. Even your dangerous crazy neo-politics makes me laugh. 7. True of every belief from the point of view of every unbeliever in anything. Non diagnostic 8. fat_boy and his GW mania perhaps but if you check my posts and articles you'll see I really am a serious software engineer just helping you out with your political and social ineptitude. 9. Hmm, behaves according to beliefs, nice, you wouldn't expect any sane person to do that now would you? 10. You don't know me from Adam and those that do are well aware how characteristic and down to earth my beliefs and behaviours are. No. Your amateur diagnosis is about as flawed as your politics, a delusion fed to you by, you can't quite remember who, which you cling to with irrational vehemence, resorting to personal attack whenever the illogicality of your position is exposed. Remind you of anything?:laugh:

                                          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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