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Check out A Brief History of Time which is a great read. Stephen Hawking talks all about the theories on origin of the universe. --Mike-- Just released - RightClick-Encrypt - Adds fast & easy file encryption to Explorer My really out-of-date homepage Sonork-100.19012 Acid_Helm
Another good book is The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene. I made it all the way to chapter 11 before my brain exploded. "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
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ya may wanna think about what you read Chris :The average IQ a century ago is mental retardation today. Average... not exceptional.
i didn't realize you were being literal... but do you have any sources for that? because a quick google search shows as many people saying the average IQ is declining as increasing - and each side is trying to prove a point (better environment makes life too easy , so people are getting dumb or better environment makes people smarter because they are healthier). -c
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I understand the universe is still expanding, i wonder what's in the uncreated portion?.How did the initial atoms that led to the big bang come to be?(and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff).:):):):)
Well, there's this huge turtle, see, and all of the Universe rests upon his, er.... something like that. Everything outside the Universe, of course, is just more turtle stuff. I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
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Well, there's this huge turtle, see, and all of the Universe rests upon his, er.... something like that. Everything outside the Universe, of course, is just more turtle stuff. I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
right. it's turtles all the way down. :) -c
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Another good book is The Elegant Universe by Brian Greene. I made it all the way to chapter 11 before my brain exploded. "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
Goedel, Escher, Bach kicked my ass the first two times i tried. my brain hurt so much that i sat in the corner weeping for weeks afterwards. i got it on the third try, with only minor bruises. -c
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I understand the universe is still expanding, i wonder what's in the uncreated portion?.How did the initial atoms that led to the big bang come to be?(and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff).:):):):)
Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask :-) Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask :-) Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask :-) Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
Christian Graus wrote: If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask Must...not...be...sucked...in...to..religious argument on the creation of the universe... argghhhh! cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
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Christian Graus wrote: If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask Must...not...be...sucked...in...to..religious argument on the creation of the universe... argghhhh! cheers, Chris Maunder Rub your belly and pat your head simultaneously. Sometimes that helps me make sense of things - Jon Sagara
It's too late - you are in my thrall.... Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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And people have the nerve to say I am strange! :rolleyes: ____________________ David Wulff Neil says: dave i am a homosexual and i am in love with your father Dave says: That's okay son, eighteen years ago I was in love with your mother.
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right. it's turtles all the way down. :) -c
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I understand the universe is still expanding, i wonder what's in the uncreated portion?.How did the initial atoms that led to the big bang come to be?(and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff).:):):):)
In the begging there was nothing. At least nothing that we can currently grasp. Then somewhere came a disturbance, creating matter, and anti matter. Most of what we now see is matter. So to answer you question, nothing existed before hand. Not one person lives in the present. Only the past. I can prove it.
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Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff If you don't want the only possible logical answer, don't ask :-) Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
The only way God is a logical answer is if you can answer where god came from. Everything has a beggining and an end, except the flawed misconception that god is and foreever was. Time to answer the big questions. What came first the chicken or the egg? Not one person lives in the present. Only the past. I can prove it.
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The only way God is a logical answer is if you can answer where god came from. Everything has a beggining and an end, except the flawed misconception that god is and foreever was. Time to answer the big questions. What came first the chicken or the egg? Not one person lives in the present. Only the past. I can prove it.
REmove the pre-existance of God and you're back where you started - how did the universe come into being ? How can life happen by itself ? Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002 Half the reason people switch away from VB is to find out what actually goes on.. and then like me they find out that they weren't quite as good as they thought - they've been nannied. - Alex, 13 June 2002
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I understand the universe is still expanding, i wonder what's in the uncreated portion?.How did the initial atoms that led to the big bang come to be?(and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff).:):):):)
Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff Some little magic faries were floating around and they decided to create matter and energy and all the laws of the universe out of absolutely nothing. or Everything just happened, in perfect balance, order and harmony on its own. All of the sudden for no appartent reason everything just showed up, and the evolutionary ball got rolling, on its own, accidentally creating a near perfect system capable of sustaining millions of forms of life. Now THAT's blind faith! :eek: Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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The only way God is a logical answer is if you can answer where god came from. Everything has a beggining and an end, except the flawed misconception that god is and foreever was. Time to answer the big questions. What came first the chicken or the egg? Not one person lives in the present. Only the past. I can prove it.
darroll wrote: the flawed misconception that god is and foreever was Silly mortal. Looking at the universe and pigeon holing it into your own view of reality. God is outside of time. How can there be a "beginning" and "end" where time does not exist? Forever is an easy concept to grasp if you disregard the notion of linear time altogether. In a state like that a simple microsecond is as long as forever, and visa versa. Time is an aspect of created universe, part of the laws of nature that God himself brought into being. He is eternal in a reality that is not affected by time as we know it. We are in a reality that is. A reality that he created for us. Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
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I understand the universe is still expanding, i wonder what's in the uncreated portion?.How did the initial atoms that led to the big bang come to be?(and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff).:):):):)
E=MC^2 explains the creation of matter pretty well. There is no "uncreated" part of the universe. It was all created at the same instant. Since time and space are intertwined to such an extent that they are one and the same one cannot exist without the other there is nothing except the universe. There can be no conception of anything "outside" the universe on physical terms - only in terms of religion or spirtuality. Think of the universe expanding in terms of a puddle on the floor getting bigger and bigger. There is no more water being added or created just the extent of the water is getting larger and larger. At some point in time it will stop getting larger and start to get smaller. Same same with the universe. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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Edd wrote: and don't tell me god, i don't buy the god stuff Some little magic faries were floating around and they decided to create matter and energy and all the laws of the universe out of absolutely nothing. or Everything just happened, in perfect balance, order and harmony on its own. All of the sudden for no appartent reason everything just showed up, and the evolutionary ball got rolling, on its own, accidentally creating a near perfect system capable of sustaining millions of forms of life. Now THAT's blind faith! :eek: Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.
well everything is not nice and glummy. There's no life on mars, why?, cause the conditions there don't favor life(at least not in the form like earth). So instead of looking at it as earth's conditions are relatively good because we are here, why don't you turn it around, which is the logically sound way to look at it. We are here because conditions are relatively favorable. See that i stress relatively favorable, there may be other planets with even better living conditions.Hence everything is not exactly perfect. A perfect planet wouldn't have the kinda natural castastrophies we experience here on earth, but ofcourse we're in heaven compared to what goes-on on saturn.
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E=MC^2 explains the creation of matter pretty well. There is no "uncreated" part of the universe. It was all created at the same instant. Since time and space are intertwined to such an extent that they are one and the same one cannot exist without the other there is nothing except the universe. There can be no conception of anything "outside" the universe on physical terms - only in terms of religion or spirtuality. Think of the universe expanding in terms of a puddle on the floor getting bigger and bigger. There is no more water being added or created just the extent of the water is getting larger and larger. At some point in time it will stop getting larger and start to get smaller. Same same with the universe. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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well everything is not nice and glummy. There's no life on mars, why?, cause the conditions there don't favor life(at least not in the form like earth). So instead of looking at it as earth's conditions are relatively good because we are here, why don't you turn it around, which is the logically sound way to look at it. We are here because conditions are relatively favorable. See that i stress relatively favorable, there may be other planets with even better living conditions.Hence everything is not exactly perfect. A perfect planet wouldn't have the kinda natural castastrophies we experience here on earth, but ofcourse we're in heaven compared to what goes-on on saturn.
This argument just reinforces my point though. The more planets there are that didn't make it so to speak, the more you gotta think that the favorable conditions here are very unlikely to be accidental, even given billions of years. The other planets had billions of years too. No luck. Over time entropy increases. So why are we in an ordered ecological system? Why not throw away a dime? I throw away ten pennies all the time.