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  • R Red Stateler

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    The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
    to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
    of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
    lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
    ...
    The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
    the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
    operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
    operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
    more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
    Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
    estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
    the beginning of the year.

    And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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    Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking? Which I guess is the point of CI warfare in the first place - make the insurgents appear far more dangerous for the general population than the occupiers. A big remaining worry is how to integrate newly loyal regions into the larger political structure, they are acting out of immediate self interest rather than a new found love of the US and the Iraqi government.

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      Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking? Which I guess is the point of CI warfare in the first place - make the insurgents appear far more dangerous for the general population than the occupiers. A big remaining worry is how to integrate newly loyal regions into the larger political structure, they are acting out of immediate self interest rather than a new found love of the US and the Iraqi government.

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      Red Stateler
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      Ryan Roberts wrote:

      Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking?

      The article mentions that during the surge, US military worked with Sunnis in fighting Al Qaeda together:

      The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar
      province and the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to
      combat AQI operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a
      secure base of operations, U.S. military officials said.


      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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      • R Red Stateler

        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

        Who cares? We have a missile defense shield! Neener neener!


        Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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        Lost User
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        Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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          Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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          Red Stateler
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          Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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          • R Red Stateler

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            The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
            to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
            of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
            lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
            ...
            The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
            the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
            operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
            operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
            more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
            Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
            estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
            the beginning of the year.

            And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


            Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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            Matthew Faithfull
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            If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

            Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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            • R Red Stateler

              Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


              Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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              Lost User
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              They may no longer be the Military Superpower that they once was, but don't underestimate their willingness to make life awkward and difficult (and perhaps dangerous) for us westerners.

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                If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                Red Stateler
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                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all.

                I'm performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of "aluminum" foil you use?


                Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                  If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                  Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                  Lost User
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                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                  "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                  Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                  • M Matthew Faithfull

                    If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                    Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                    I too am performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of anti-psychotics you are (or rather, have stopped) using?


                    "sh*thead ... f*** off and die" "Keep my words on your sig. I stand by them. (Which, incidently, doesn't make me a sociopath - it's personal.)" - Fred_Smith (on respect for living things)
                    "You don't know me well enough to diagnose me." - Chris-Kaiser (on the synoptic problem)

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                    • R Red Stateler

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                      The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                      to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                      of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                      lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                      ...
                      The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                      the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                      operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                      operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                      more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                      Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                      estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                      the beginning of the year.

                      And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                      Rob Graham
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                      Red Stateler wrote:

                      And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational.

                      And just in time too, since it's a good bet that President Hillary isn't going to spend another dime on it. OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

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                      • R Red Stateler

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                        The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                        to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                        of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                        lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                        ...
                        The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                        the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                        operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                        operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                        more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                        Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                        estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                        the beginning of the year.

                        And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                        Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                        Mike Gaskey
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                        Of course you know that any good news, potential or real, will immediately become merely a small part of a much larger conspiracy for world domination by Bush, Cheney and hordes of evil neo-cons. It is much more important to focus on the embittered harping of NYT hacks or retired generals. Shame on you!!

                        Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                          Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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                          Dan Neely
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                          It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

                          -- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.

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                            Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                            "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                            Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                            conspiracy theory

                            Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                            Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                              It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

                              -- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.

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                              dan neely wrote:

                              suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                              Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                              dan neely wrote:

                              Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                              Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                              dan neely wrote:

                              laser based systems

                              Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                                dan neely wrote:

                                suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                                Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                                dan neely wrote:

                                Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                                Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                                dan neely wrote:

                                laser based systems

                                Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                                Matthew Faithfull
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                                Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

                                Did you ever see the demo of the 'rail' gun firing a 1 inch cube of steel through 2 six inch thick bits of cast iron, sandwiching 100 New York telephone directories. It still makes me laugh when I remember the demonstrator ( classic 'scientist' about 5 feet tall with bottle glasses and a white coat ) picking up the smoking blackend remains of the 'bullet' from the pile of sandbags where it finally came a to a holt, with a pair of tongs almost as tall as he is and saying "All we have to do now is to design a guidance system that fits in there, ..pause.. and survives. Brilliant.:laugh:

                                Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                  Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                  conspiracy theory

                                  Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                                  Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                  If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact.

                                  1980's wasn't it? Can't remember anything in more recent Honduras history though. But isn't Negreponte now involved in some Africa policy?

                                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                  play on Condi's statement

                                  OK, your play on words is a little devious.

                                  Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                  What's your point?

                                  No point, just an observation.

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                                    The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                                    to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                                    of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                                    lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                                    ...
                                    The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                                    the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                                    operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                                    operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                                    more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                                    Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                                    estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                                    the beginning of the year.

                                    And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                                    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                    The report was issued by the military. Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                    Hey! I finally found a picture of myself!

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                                      The report was issued by the military. Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                      Hey! I finally found a picture of myself!

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                                      leckey wrote:

                                      Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                      The military is not, despite left-wing accusations, a political organization. They have been very frank regarding challenges in the past and there is demonstrable evidence (namely the sharp reduction in attacks) that verify their claim.


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                                        Red Stateler wrote:

                                        And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational.

                                        And just in time too, since it's a good bet that President Hillary isn't going to spend another dime on it. OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

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                                        Rob Graham wrote:

                                        OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

                                        You mean "Mission Accomplished"? Get over it and look up "mission" in the dictionary.


                                        Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                          Rob Graham wrote:

                                          OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

                                          You mean "Mission Accomplished"? Get over it and look up "mission" in the dictionary.


                                          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                          Red Stateler wrote:

                                          "Mission Accomplished"

                                          No doubt that "Mission Accomplished" was declared but it has rather turned into "Mission Creep"

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