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  • R Ryan Roberts

    Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking? Which I guess is the point of CI warfare in the first place - make the insurgents appear far more dangerous for the general population than the occupiers. A big remaining worry is how to integrate newly loyal regions into the larger political structure, they are acting out of immediate self interest rather than a new found love of the US and the Iraqi government.

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    Red Stateler
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    Ryan Roberts wrote:

    Isn't it primarily a result of the tribal uprising that Al Q have got a kicking?

    The article mentions that during the surge, US military worked with Sunnis in fighting Al Qaeda together:

    The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar
    province and the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to
    combat AQI operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a
    secure base of operations, U.S. military officials said.


    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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    • R Red Stateler

      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

      With a recent surge in Russian Military Aircraft manoeuvres, are we at risk of resurrecting a version of the Cold War?

      Who cares? We have a missile defense shield! Neener neener!


      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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      Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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        Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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        Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


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          The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
          to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
          of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
          lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
          ...
          The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
          the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
          operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
          operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
          more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
          Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
          estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
          the beginning of the year.

          And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


          Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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          If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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          • R Red Stateler

            Is Russia still a threat? I thought their left-wing policies sent them back to the stone age (which seems to be the goal of left-wing policies).


            Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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            They may no longer be the Military Superpower that they once was, but don't underestimate their willingness to make life awkward and difficult (and perhaps dangerous) for us westerners.

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            • M Matthew Faithfull

              If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

              Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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              Matthew Faithfull wrote:

              AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all.

              I'm performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of "aluminum" foil you use?


              Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                • M Matthew Faithfull

                  If victory over AQI is declared all that means is a step closer to war with Iran. AQI, a fiction created by the 'intelligence' services, was nothing more than a convenient excuse and a way of maintaining the false impression of a link between Iraq and Afghanistan, Iraq and 9/11, where none ever existed. Once the straw man enemy is no longer needed it will fade away to be replaced with a newer more frightenening media hyped bogey man to justify US bases next to the world largest oil reserves and profits for Halliburton et al. You'd better hope most Americans are still fooled by this ruse because if not you may find that 'operational' missile shield has unexpected holes after all. I can almost hear Condi now, "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..." :sigh:

                  Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                  I too am performing an informal survey. Could you tell me which brand of anti-psychotics you are (or rather, have stopped) using?


                  "sh*thead ... f*** off and die" "Keep my words on your sig. I stand by them. (Which, incidently, doesn't make me a sociopath - it's personal.)" - Fred_Smith (on respect for living things)
                  "You don't know me well enough to diagnose me." - Chris-Kaiser (on the synoptic problem)

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                  • R Red Stateler

                    link[^]

                    The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                    to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                    of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                    lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                    ...
                    The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                    the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                    operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                    operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                    more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                    Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                    estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                    the beginning of the year.

                    And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                    Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                    Red Stateler wrote:

                    And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational.

                    And just in time too, since it's a good bet that President Hillary isn't going to spend another dime on it. OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

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                      The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                      to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                      of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                      lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                      ...
                      The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                      the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                      operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                      operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                      more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                      Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                      estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                      the beginning of the year.

                      And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                      Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                      Mike Gaskey
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                      Of course you know that any good news, potential or real, will immediately become merely a small part of a much larger conspiracy for world domination by Bush, Cheney and hordes of evil neo-cons. It is much more important to focus on the embittered harping of NYT hacks or retired generals. Shame on you!!

                      Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.

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                        Ah! I thought it wasn't aimed at the Russian threat. May be we are being misled to its real purpose.

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                        Dan Neely
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                        It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

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                          Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                          "No one could have predicted that the terrorists would launch their missiles from the (unacknowledged US base in the) jungles of Honduras..."

                          Not another conspiracy theory :( OT Did you see you mate on yesterdays BBCtv's Politics Show - you would have thought he would have said something new - but no - same old stuff.

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                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                          conspiracy theory

                          Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                            It's not at present. We're only building 100 interceptors and basing them all along the left coast which should allow us to suppress a strike from China or North Korea. Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses, or they could shoot over the Atlantic and bypass them instead. Eventually progress with laser based systems might allow us to ride out a full scale Russian attack, but we're not there with current hardware.

                            -- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.

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                            dan neely wrote:

                            suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                            Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                            dan neely wrote:

                            Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                            Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                            dan neely wrote:

                            laser based systems

                            Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                              dan neely wrote:

                              suppress a strike from China or North Korea

                              Taking the missiles the long route home. An interesting concept.

                              dan neely wrote:

                              Russia would still be able to saturate our defenses

                              Waste of time and money putting them in harms way.

                              dan neely wrote:

                              laser based systems

                              Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

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                              Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                              Wasn't that a Ronald Reagan idea?

                              Did you ever see the demo of the 'rail' gun firing a 1 inch cube of steel through 2 six inch thick bits of cast iron, sandwiching 100 New York telephone directories. It still makes me laugh when I remember the demonstrator ( classic 'scientist' about 5 feet tall with bottle glasses and a white coat ) picking up the smoking blackend remains of the 'bullet' from the pile of sandbags where it finally came a to a holt, with a pair of tongs almost as tall as he is and saying "All we have to do now is to design a guidance system that fits in there, ..pause.. and survives. Brilliant.:laugh:

                              Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                conspiracy theory

                                Where? What conspiracy? If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact. The 'quote' in case you hadn't noticed was a play on Condi's statement about 9/11 that "No one could have predicted that terrorists would use planes as weapons." An extraordinary statement considering that the Pentagon did predict exactly that well before 9/11 and strangely enough so did I. The very first time George II was reported publicaly proclaiming that he could protect America from missles launched by rogue states, way back in 2000 I think, my immediate respone was, "You idiot, there are hundreds of missiles in the sky all over America already, they're called aeroplanes. How are you going to protect America from them." I wish I had been wrong then and I hope I'm wrong now but I wouldn't bet on it. OT I assume you mean Nigel. I didn't see it but if he said what he always says then I'm not surprised. He'll go on saying it for as long as it's true. What's your point?

                                Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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                                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact.

                                1980's wasn't it? Can't remember anything in more recent Honduras history though. But isn't Negreponte now involved in some Africa policy?

                                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                play on Condi's statement

                                OK, your play on words is a little devious.

                                Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                What's your point?

                                No point, just an observation.

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                                  link[^]

                                  The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows
                                  to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration
                                  of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most
                                  lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
                                  ...
                                  The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and
                                  the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI
                                  operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of
                                  operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and
                                  more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in
                                  Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno
                                  estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since
                                  the beginning of the year.

                                  And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational. Now when will we focus on the "impossible" task of tackling illegal immigration.


                                  Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                  The report was issued by the military. Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                  Hey! I finally found a picture of myself!

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                                    The report was issued by the military. Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                    Hey! I finally found a picture of myself!

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                                    leckey wrote:

                                    Not exactly an impartial report. I am skeptical.

                                    The military is not, despite left-wing accusations, a political organization. They have been very frank regarding challenges in the past and there is demonstrable evidence (namely the sharp reduction in attacks) that verify their claim.


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                                      Red Stateler wrote:

                                      And the missle defense shield that liberals claimed just two years ago was technically impossible is operational.

                                      And just in time too, since it's a good bet that President Hillary isn't going to spend another dime on it. OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

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                                      Rob Graham wrote:

                                      OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

                                      You mean "Mission Accomplished"? Get over it and look up "mission" in the dictionary.


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                                        Rob Graham wrote:

                                        OBTW, didn't we declare victory in Iraq several YEARS ago? Why are we doing it (prematurely) again?

                                        You mean "Mission Accomplished"? Get over it and look up "mission" in the dictionary.


                                        Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall

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                                        Red Stateler wrote:

                                        "Mission Accomplished"

                                        No doubt that "Mission Accomplished" was declared but it has rather turned into "Mission Creep"

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                                          Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                          If you want to know about illegal, unacknowledged ( as in not approved by congress or appearing on anyones legal accounts ) US bases in Honduras ask John Negreponte, UN ambassador last time I checked. He ran them for years. Not a theory merely a historical fact.

                                          1980's wasn't it? Can't remember anything in more recent Honduras history though. But isn't Negreponte now involved in some Africa policy?

                                          Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                          play on Condi's statement

                                          OK, your play on words is a little devious.

                                          Matthew Faithfull wrote:

                                          What's your point?

                                          No point, just an observation.

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                                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                          1980's wasn't it? Can't remember anything in more recent Honduras history though.

                                          Yes. I can only assume that the policy of not closing US bases in foreign parts once opened applies to unacknowledged ones to, although I'm certain there are no longer 25,000 troops and mecenaries out there. My point is that there are plenty of places from which 'Kim Ill Jock' can launch a medium range missile full of nuclear material he no longer has any use for, right into Red's back yard and the only thing George or Condi can do about it is sign the cheques to pay for it happening.

                                          Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                                          isn't Negreponte now involved in some Africa policy?

                                          I've not heard about that. I'd be interested if you have any info. He's a dangerous man.

                                          Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.

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