British Teeth are Pretty
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Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme
measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released
Monday.State dentists? Extracting their own teeth? This is so easy that I don't even know where to go with this.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
So you can understand the politics that has led to this and what 'left' really means: Several years ago the extreme left in our governing, pseudo left, party persuaded the leadership of an extraordinary idea which many find hard to grasp. It goes like this: The state should behave fairly to all citizens, therefore anything the state gives to one person it should give to everyone, therefore the state can't give any tangible object to someone wihtout giving the same to everyone, therefore state opthalmology (glasses), state prosthetics (artificial limbs) must be stopped, presumably fillings and teeth braces as well, because the state can't give them to everyone ( I don't need an aritificial leg ) they shouldn't give them to anyone, "IT'S NOT FAIR" they wail. This policy was adopted, yes in secret, by the Labour party and only leaked out a couple of years ago. The leadership went along with this left wing insanity not because they agreed with it but because it gives them an opportunity to do a very non leftist thing, destroy a bunch a state services so that public opinion will accept their eventual privatisation. This is the way British politics works, only when the interests of the loony left and the totalitarian right coincide does anything actually get done.:( No pehaps you see why 'left' means something different in Europe to what it means on your patch.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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So you can understand the politics that has led to this and what 'left' really means: Several years ago the extreme left in our governing, pseudo left, party persuaded the leadership of an extraordinary idea which many find hard to grasp. It goes like this: The state should behave fairly to all citizens, therefore anything the state gives to one person it should give to everyone, therefore the state can't give any tangible object to someone wihtout giving the same to everyone, therefore state opthalmology (glasses), state prosthetics (artificial limbs) must be stopped, presumably fillings and teeth braces as well, because the state can't give them to everyone ( I don't need an aritificial leg ) they shouldn't give them to anyone, "IT'S NOT FAIR" they wail. This policy was adopted, yes in secret, by the Labour party and only leaked out a couple of years ago. The leadership went along with this left wing insanity not because they agreed with it but because it gives them an opportunity to do a very non leftist thing, destroy a bunch a state services so that public opinion will accept their eventual privatisation. This is the way British politics works, only when the interests of the loony left and the totalitarian right coincide does anything actually get done.:( No pehaps you see why 'left' means something different in Europe to what it means on your patch.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Are your fillings homemade out of aluminum foil? I think that would be best, because you never know what kind of transmitters those state dentists might place in your mouth.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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So you can understand the politics that has led to this and what 'left' really means: Several years ago the extreme left in our governing, pseudo left, party persuaded the leadership of an extraordinary idea which many find hard to grasp. It goes like this: The state should behave fairly to all citizens, therefore anything the state gives to one person it should give to everyone, therefore the state can't give any tangible object to someone wihtout giving the same to everyone, therefore state opthalmology (glasses), state prosthetics (artificial limbs) must be stopped, presumably fillings and teeth braces as well, because the state can't give them to everyone ( I don't need an aritificial leg ) they shouldn't give them to anyone, "IT'S NOT FAIR" they wail. This policy was adopted, yes in secret, by the Labour party and only leaked out a couple of years ago. The leadership went along with this left wing insanity not because they agreed with it but because it gives them an opportunity to do a very non leftist thing, destroy a bunch a state services so that public opinion will accept their eventual privatisation. This is the way British politics works, only when the interests of the loony left and the totalitarian right coincide does anything actually get done.:( No pehaps you see why 'left' means something different in Europe to what it means on your patch.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
I agree that it's caused by an ideological unwillingness to accept means tested access to NHS services - one that crosses the floor. That doesn't add up to a left wing conspiracy to privatise the NHS. And how the hell is privatisation 'authoritarian'?
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Are your fillings homemade out of aluminum foil? I think that would be best, because you never know what kind of transmitters those state dentists might place in your mouth.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
I have no fillings, neither do I have a dentist, state or otherwise. FYI Your obsession with the worlds third most common element is becoming tiresome, to add to being childish and making you look like a prat.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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I have no fillings, neither do I have a dentist, state or otherwise. FYI Your obsession with the worlds third most common element is becoming tiresome, to add to being childish and making you look like a prat.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I have no fillings, neither do I have a dentist, state or otherwise.
Great! I know one time I got a filling by a "dentist" who I suspected was actually a "CIA agent" (who, of course, would just be an agent from the Skull and Bones Society). After a few hours, I started hearing voices so I immediately yanked it out of my mouth with some pliars. The voices didn't stop, however, which makes me think that the novacaine injection must have placed a transmitter into my bloodstream. I read on IlluminatiKillers.com that an aluminum helmet would help me out by blocking the bidirectional "beams" between the transmittor and Skull and Bones HQ. It seemed to work (sometimes). Hence my obsession with aluminum.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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I agree that it's caused by an ideological unwillingness to accept means tested access to NHS services - one that crosses the floor. That doesn't add up to a left wing conspiracy to privatise the NHS. And how the hell is privatisation 'authoritarian'?
No. you missed the point, the pseudo left wing Labour leadership have conned the genuine but crazy left which they despise by going along with an insanely PC policy because it suits their crypto fascist agenda. They want to privatise the NHS but can't admit to wanting to do so. They have to appear to be reluctantly giving in to the public opinion they have covertly engineered. Privatisation is not 'authoritarian' but persuing the opposite policy from your stated policy is a necessary part of a one-party totalitarian state that appears to have two parties. Totalitarian because it negates democracy by replacing it with a false choice between two parties who's apparently opposed policies will achieve the same results in the medium to long term, e.g. privatisation of the NHS, starting with all the bits that can easily make a profit.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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No. you missed the point, the pseudo left wing Labour leadership have conned the genuine but crazy left which they despise by going along with an insanely PC policy because it suits their crypto fascist agenda. They want to privatise the NHS but can't admit to wanting to do so. They have to appear to be reluctantly giving in to the public opinion they have covertly engineered. Privatisation is not 'authoritarian' but persuing the opposite policy from your stated policy is a necessary part of a one-party totalitarian state that appears to have two parties. Totalitarian because it negates democracy by replacing it with a false choice between two parties who's apparently opposed policies will achieve the same results in the medium to long term, e.g. privatisation of the NHS, starting with all the bits that can easily make a profit.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Totalitarian because it negates democracy by replacing it with a false choice between two parties who's apparently opposed policies will achieve the same results in the medium to long term, e.g. privatisation of the NHS, starting with all the bits that can easily make a profit.
Dude...You lost the election. Let it go.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Totalitarian because it negates democracy by replacing it with a false choice between two parties who's apparently opposed policies will achieve the same results in the medium to long term, e.g. privatisation of the NHS, starting with all the bits that can easily make a profit.
Dude...You lost the election. Let it go.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Dude...Politics is a long game.:)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Dude...Politics is a long game.:)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Dude...Not long enough for your sake.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme
measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released
Monday.State dentists? Extracting their own teeth? This is so easy that I don't even know where to go with this.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
At least we have dentists: the story is a little misleading in that she could have opted for treatment at a dental teaching hospital or paid to go private (it is really not that expensive here). My family long ago gave up any pretence, however, at national health dentists and have been private for a long time. On another note British teeth are not quite like Mike Myers would have you believe: I had braces as a youngster (a long time ago) and none of my kids has a single filling and all have straight white teeth. I do know of many in the US who have no access to dental care at all so pot, kettle and black to you.
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At least we have dentists: the story is a little misleading in that she could have opted for treatment at a dental teaching hospital or paid to go private (it is really not that expensive here). My family long ago gave up any pretence, however, at national health dentists and have been private for a long time. On another note British teeth are not quite like Mike Myers would have you believe: I had braces as a youngster (a long time ago) and none of my kids has a single filling and all have straight white teeth. I do know of many in the US who have no access to dental care at all so pot, kettle and black to you.
digital man wrote:
I do know of many in the US who have no access to dental care at all so pot, kettle and black to you.
Really? There's a dentist around every corner. Do these people you "know" of live in the moutains?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Falling numbers of state dentists in England has led to some people taking extreme
measures, including extracting their own teeth, according to a new study released
Monday.State dentists? Extracting their own teeth? This is so easy that I don't even know where to go with this.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Dentistry is expensive. But if you are a child, or perhaps unemployed or indeed are receiving some other state benefit such as child benefit, or you are pregnant or recently had a live birth, or you are a Pensioner, you have a statutory right to be seen by a dentist and have work done without costs to you as a claimant of some qualifying benefit. The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible. The British National Health Service publishes a price list to dentists stating what the maximum the state will pay per type of treatment. This price list is somewhat below what dentists could get by offering a "private" service. Consequently, the number of dentists who perform NHS services has fallen and this has an adverse effect upon the localized populations. As such, in areas where good HNS dental services is lacking, people do indeed take the solution to their dental problems into their own hands. And if some non-specific urgent/vital dental treatment is required by any person, irrespective if the do or do not have a registered dentist, arrangements are in place that will afford you private dental services at taxpayers expense. Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
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Dentistry is expensive. But if you are a child, or perhaps unemployed or indeed are receiving some other state benefit such as child benefit, or you are pregnant or recently had a live birth, or you are a Pensioner, you have a statutory right to be seen by a dentist and have work done without costs to you as a claimant of some qualifying benefit. The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible. The British National Health Service publishes a price list to dentists stating what the maximum the state will pay per type of treatment. This price list is somewhat below what dentists could get by offering a "private" service. Consequently, the number of dentists who perform NHS services has fallen and this has an adverse effect upon the localized populations. As such, in areas where good HNS dental services is lacking, people do indeed take the solution to their dental problems into their own hands. And if some non-specific urgent/vital dental treatment is required by any person, irrespective if the do or do not have a registered dentist, arrangements are in place that will afford you private dental services at taxpayers expense. Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible.
now isn't that the over arching problems with socialist approaches? capitalism is a natural state.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible.
now isn't that the over arching problems with socialist approaches? capitalism is a natural state.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Dentistry is expensive. But if you are a child, or perhaps unemployed or indeed are receiving some other state benefit such as child benefit, or you are pregnant or recently had a live birth, or you are a Pensioner, you have a statutory right to be seen by a dentist and have work done without costs to you as a claimant of some qualifying benefit. The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible. The British National Health Service publishes a price list to dentists stating what the maximum the state will pay per type of treatment. This price list is somewhat below what dentists could get by offering a "private" service. Consequently, the number of dentists who perform NHS services has fallen and this has an adverse effect upon the localized populations. As such, in areas where good HNS dental services is lacking, people do indeed take the solution to their dental problems into their own hands. And if some non-specific urgent/vital dental treatment is required by any person, irrespective if the do or do not have a registered dentist, arrangements are in place that will afford you private dental services at taxpayers expense. Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible.
Hmmmm...Yes, I can see how this is a problem. The corrupt and selfish bourgeois are obviously exploiting the underclasses. Wait...Where have I heard this before?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
A boy died because he couldn't get a dentist? :~ :rolleyes:
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible.
Hmmmm...Yes, I can see how this is a problem. The corrupt and selfish bourgeois are obviously exploiting the underclasses. Wait...Where have I heard this before?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
A boy died because he couldn't get a dentist? :~ :rolleyes:
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Red Stateler wrote:
Hmmmm...Yes, I can see how this is a problem. The corrupt and selfish bourgeois are obviously exploiting the underclasses. Wait...Where have I heard this before?
Chavez, Castro, Che...
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
The problem is that dentistry practices, like good capitalists, want to earn as much money as possible.
Hmmmm...Yes, I can see how this is a problem. The corrupt and selfish bourgeois are obviously exploiting the underclasses. Wait...Where have I heard this before?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Thus the situation that recently occurred in America where a boy child had to die because the family could not afford insurance and apparently did not qualify for any USA state sponsored dentistry.
A boy died because he couldn't get a dentist? :~ :rolleyes:
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Red Stateler wrote:
A boy died because he couldn't get a dentist?
Yes, as reported here ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7018057.stm[^]
Well that's an intersting bit of propaganda. That would fall under "neglect". An abscess is, based on my understanding, extremely painful. Also, dentists are relatively inexpensive (a cleaning might run a bit above $100) and typically offer payment plans. It might have cost several hundred dollars for those neglectful parents to have a tooth pulled. And if health care wasn't available to them, how did he get immediate emergency surgery? What I find absolutely lame about these Michael Moorian approaches to these sorts of debates (and it's odd that your "mainstream" media would take this approach) is that they magnify carnival-like freak incidents (even saying "This story is not a one-off"), leave out the details (namely that she could have taken her kid to the dentist using medicaid if she weren't so neglectful) and portray them as the norm. Note that the story says "For the poorest there is some free treatment, called Medicaid. But not all dentists or doctors accept Medicaid patients, and Alyce Driver could not afford to pay to have Deamonte's tooth extracted". OK, so not all dentists take medicare? So she would have had to drive another 2 miles to find one that did? Frankly this sort of propaganda in its purest form is nothing short of repulsive. This is simply a case of a mother neglecting her child, but the BBC runs it as though its the state of America. As you folks say: bollocks.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Well that's an intersting bit of propaganda. That would fall under "neglect". An abscess is, based on my understanding, extremely painful. Also, dentists are relatively inexpensive (a cleaning might run a bit above $100) and typically offer payment plans. It might have cost several hundred dollars for those neglectful parents to have a tooth pulled. And if health care wasn't available to them, how did he get immediate emergency surgery? What I find absolutely lame about these Michael Moorian approaches to these sorts of debates (and it's odd that your "mainstream" media would take this approach) is that they magnify carnival-like freak incidents (even saying "This story is not a one-off"), leave out the details (namely that she could have taken her kid to the dentist using medicaid if she weren't so neglectful) and portray them as the norm. Note that the story says "For the poorest there is some free treatment, called Medicaid. But not all dentists or doctors accept Medicaid patients, and Alyce Driver could not afford to pay to have Deamonte's tooth extracted". OK, so not all dentists take medicare? So she would have had to drive another 2 miles to find one that did? Frankly this sort of propaganda in its purest form is nothing short of repulsive. This is simply a case of a mother neglecting her child, but the BBC runs it as though its the state of America. As you folks say: bollocks.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Having never visited the USA, I have no personal experiences of your healthcare regime. I can only get a feel of what happens there when it is reported on CNN or BBC or similar such news gathering organisation. Perhaps there is too much propaganda from both sides of "the pond" so truth may not always be clearly visible. However, the mother of date child who died is probably guilty of both abuse and neglect. A life is always worth more than a few dollars, even if the mother had to go without an evening meal from time to time to pay for such treatment.
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Having never visited the USA, I have no personal experiences of your healthcare regime. I can only get a feel of what happens there when it is reported on CNN or BBC or similar such news gathering organisation. Perhaps there is too much propaganda from both sides of "the pond" so truth may not always be clearly visible. However, the mother of date child who died is probably guilty of both abuse and neglect. A life is always worth more than a few dollars, even if the mother had to go without an evening meal from time to time to pay for such treatment.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Having never visited the USA, I have no personal experiences of your healthcare regime. I can only get a feel of what happens there when it is reported on CNN or BBC or similar such news gathering organisation. Perhaps there is too much propaganda from both sides of "the pond" so truth may not always be clearly visible.
Well that story in particular is pure propaganda and I'm surprised it's passed off as "news". Freak accidents happen, but that certainly is not the norm and yet they take the time to portray it as such. One clue is always the "47 million uninsured" figure. That is inaccurate because about 2/3 of those are transitory (in other words, they're in between jobs and therefore in between insruance coverage). Of the remainder, most are employed middle class citizens in their twenties who choose not to have insurance in order to save money (which can be a prudent decision). Of those that are left (the real poor), most are eligable for Medicaid.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
However, the mother of date child who died is probably guilty of both abuse and neglect. A life is always worth more than a few dollars, even if the mother had to go without an evening meal from time to time to pay for such treatment.
I'd like to know how big her rims are and how much they cost.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall