where are the lefties?
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pseudonym67 wrote:
Whereas they do have trouble when it is applied to a country occupied by America.
I don't. If Turkey has a legitimate case that they are under attack from a neighbor, than they should be allowed to defend themselves. Obviously, that raises the possibility of a confrontation between Turk and US forces as the US would necessarily have to defend against a general invasion from Turkey, but as long as the objectives were narrowly defined, they should be allowed to do it. Frankly, I think there should be a new international law - any act of terrorism from the citizens of one nation against the citizens of another can be considered an act of war regardless of whether the government of the nation producing the terrorism was directly responsible for it or not. Further, all members of the UN would be required to participate militarily in the invasion of any nation producing terrorism. The excuse of 'stateless' terrorism should be made legally moot. If they are your citizens than you need to control them. Otherwise, the international community will. -- modified at 8:05 Friday 19th October, 2007
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Further, all members of the UN would be required to participate militarily in the invasion of any nation producing terrorism.
Given that half the member countries in the UN seemingly have no problem with terrorist states (given that they either are terrorist states, sympathetic to their anti-hegemonic cause or are too pathetic of countries to be targeted by international terrorists), I'd think that would be highly unlikely.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Further, all members of the UN would be required to participate militarily in the invasion of any nation producing terrorism.
Given that half the member countries in the UN seemingly have no problem with terrorist states (given that they either are terrorist states, sympathetic to their anti-hegemonic cause or are too pathetic of countries to be targeted by international terrorists), I'd think that would be highly unlikely.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
I agree. But if the reality of the international situation today is that there is no effective means of dealing with terrorism, than anything the US wishes to do, any time, any place, for any reason, is completely legitimate. And there is absolutely no rational argument that can be made agaisnt it. If the international community doesn't like that, than they should fix the goddamned problem or suffer the consequencies.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
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I agree. But if the reality of the international situation today is that there is no effective means of dealing with terrorism, than anything the US wishes to do, any time, any place, for any reason, is completely legitimate. And there is absolutely no rational argument that can be made agaisnt it. If the international community doesn't like that, than they should fix the goddamned problem or suffer the consequencies.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
What the world needs is Team America..."F*** Yeah!"
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
unavoidable in a world of conflicting nation states
Possibly but that doesn't make it right, or even better than the global hegemony of inernational bankers that Mr Rockerfeller and others desire.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
As possible as American hegemony
A hopeless, now thankfully abandoned project which cost millions of lives and billions of dollars achieving in the end nothing but suffering. No, the Soviets never had the reach, the influence, the funds or even the will to do anything on that scale on the American continent.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
given the evidence of recently declassified transcripts[^].
I will take a look at the transcripts but my impression has always been that McCarthyism did far more harm than good, going after the innocent easy targets while failing to find the real spies and double agents that there undoubtedly were. The fear and paranoia caused seems to have distorted the American psyche and view of the world ever since. In particular the way it is used to justify being just as devioous and nefarious as the enemy is believed to be in order to combat them. Even when this image of the enemy is known to be 80% propaganda by the very people justifying the immoral actions. Thanks for the link.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
You never got back to me about whether or not you/UKIP would support a Cornish Assembly...
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You never got back to me about whether or not you/UKIP would support a Cornish Assembly...
Ahh it was you Setve. I lost my link to that discussion somewhere in the blizard of CP mail. I did make it to the party conference this year and although I didn't get to speak to everyone I wanted to I did bring up the topic of Cornish assembly support. At the moment we don't have a policy either for or against so the response is yes but only to the extent that it's consistent with our local devolution policy. The question has been passed on to Malcolm Wood, South West organiser and either the South West will take this up or it may get passed back to the Constitutional policy committee, which I'm on. Either way I'll try and keep you in the loop when I hear anything.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Both choices would have involved mass murder, and you make the assumption that the west was the only foreign influence. Single handedly withdrawing from the great game makes as little sense as unilateral disarmament.
Those who show more willingness to get their hands dirty (becoming responsible for mass murder) than to take responsibility for their actions are not acting out of some noble sense of higher purpose. Though they may hide behind the expensively bought impression of one. The great game itself is an immoral concept. The fact that you still apparently believe that Soviet domination was possible in far flung Chile shows just how far you were taken in at the time. You probably still belive that the Soviets were trying to take over Angola and that justified arming UNITA, the private army of a madman, for decades and at the cost of 100's of thousands of lives as well. Mr McCarthy and friends sure did mess with your minds.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Nah, I've got you pegged on the crazy end of the libertarian spectrum.
Funny that, when the Conservatives here accuse me of being a right wing extremist. It would make me laugh if it wasn't all such nonsense.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
justified arming UNITA, the private army of a madman
Unlike Sam Nujoma?
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I agree. But if the reality of the international situation today is that there is no effective means of dealing with terrorism, than anything the US wishes to do, any time, any place, for any reason, is completely legitimate. And there is absolutely no rational argument that can be made agaisnt it. If the international community doesn't like that, than they should fix the goddamned problem or suffer the consequencies.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
Nice. X| The situation, in part caused by US foreign policy and American based globalists, justifies any means to whatever end. Or in other words, their terrorism justifies our terrorism causing their terrorism causing our terrorism... Now where have I come across that before? Oh yes, out of the mouths of fudamentalists, haters and those doomed to destroy themselves just about anywhere and everywhere throughout history. I just hope you were being sarcastic because the alternative in millstones, necks and all that jazz. Good by miss American pie. Frankly no-one so stupid should be allowed to get out of school in this age of nuclear weapons and global communications. The world is not safe with you in it.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Nice. X| The situation, in part caused by US foreign policy and American based globalists, justifies any means to whatever end. Or in other words, their terrorism justifies our terrorism causing their terrorism causing our terrorism... Now where have I come across that before? Oh yes, out of the mouths of fudamentalists, haters and those doomed to destroy themselves just about anywhere and everywhere throughout history. I just hope you were being sarcastic because the alternative in millstones, necks and all that jazz. Good by miss American pie. Frankly no-one so stupid should be allowed to get out of school in this age of nuclear weapons and global communications. The world is not safe with you in it.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Or in other words, their terrorism justifies our terrorism causing their terrorism causing our terrorism...
He said we would wage war, not engage in terrorism. You do know the difference, right?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
justified arming UNITA, the private army of a madman
Unlike Sam Nujoma?
Brady Kelly wrote:
Sam Nujoma
I don't know much about him but my Mother had friends in Namibia for many years until very recently and I haven't been hearing tales of burned villages and machine gunning of civillians. Is he bad? Who is supporting him? I would be very sad to see Namibia go down the pan, relatives of mine where in the volunteer army that freed Namibia during the second World War. I've forgotten much of the detail but they marched accross one of the most hostile deserts in the world to launch a surprise attack on a German garrison and routed them. Not bad for a bunch of farmers.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Or in other words, their terrorism justifies our terrorism causing their terrorism causing our terrorism...
He said we would wage war, not engage in terrorism. You do know the difference, right?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
Yes I do know the difference. Unfortunatly by acts such as redefining torture so that it isn't torture the US government has blurred the distinction in law to the point where it is no longer a difference. See Ed Brown currently being held without access to lawyer and suffering solitary confinement, sensory deprivation and other forms of turture in the US, as a US citizen, for daring to refuse to obey an illegal tax demand. If this is how the US treats it own then their troops should not even qualify to take part in UN peace keeping. The application of fear, generated by illegal killing, for the end purpose of applying politcal pressure to ellected and legitimate authorities has been a staple of US foreign policy in South America, the Far East and Middle East for decades, not to mention the false flag NATO funded terrorism in Europe in the 1960s and 70s.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Nice. X| The situation, in part caused by US foreign policy and American based globalists, justifies any means to whatever end. Or in other words, their terrorism justifies our terrorism causing their terrorism causing our terrorism... Now where have I come across that before? Oh yes, out of the mouths of fudamentalists, haters and those doomed to destroy themselves just about anywhere and everywhere throughout history. I just hope you were being sarcastic because the alternative in millstones, necks and all that jazz. Good by miss American pie. Frankly no-one so stupid should be allowed to get out of school in this age of nuclear weapons and global communications. The world is not safe with you in it.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Now where have I come across that before? Oh yes, out of the mouths of fudamentalists, haters and those doomed to destroy themselves just about anywhere and everywhere throughout history. I just hope you were being sarcastic because the alternative in millstones, necks and all that jazz. Good by miss American pie. Frankly no-one so stupid should be allowed to get out of school in this age of nuclear weapons and global communications. The world is not safe with you in it.
Nice sermon - aside from being utterly void of meaning. If there is insufficient will in the international community to hold those nations produceing terrorism responsible for the behavior of their own citizens, than what you are saying is that we just need to live with it as the legitimate consequence of our foreign policy and 'globalists'? Are you saying that American foriegn policy and globalism warrents resistence from the international community even if that resistence is in the form of terrorism?
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Sam Nujoma
I don't know much about him but my Mother had friends in Namibia for many years until very recently and I haven't been hearing tales of burned villages and machine gunning of civillians. Is he bad? Who is supporting him? I would be very sad to see Namibia go down the pan, relatives of mine where in the volunteer army that freed Namibia during the second World War. I've forgotten much of the detail but they marched accross one of the most hostile deserts in the world to launch a surprise attack on a German garrison and routed them. Not bad for a bunch of farmers.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I would be very sad to see Namibia go down the pan, relatives of mine where in the volunteer army that freed Namibia during the second World War. I've forgotten much of the detail but they marched accross one of the most hostile deserts in the world to launch a surprise attack on a German garrison and routed them. Not bad for a bunch of farmers.
First world war. Germany didn't have any African possessions left for the second.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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Yes I do know the difference. Unfortunatly by acts such as redefining torture so that it isn't torture the US government has blurred the distinction in law to the point where it is no longer a difference. See Ed Brown currently being held without access to lawyer and suffering solitary confinement, sensory deprivation and other forms of turture in the US, as a US citizen, for daring to refuse to obey an illegal tax demand. If this is how the US treats it own then their troops should not even qualify to take part in UN peace keeping. The application of fear, generated by illegal killing, for the end purpose of applying politcal pressure to ellected and legitimate authorities has been a staple of US foreign policy in South America, the Far East and Middle East for decades, not to mention the false flag NATO funded terrorism in Europe in the 1960s and 70s.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
See Ed Brown
"We're not conspiracy theorists," Brown said, settling into a chair on his unfinished concrete porch. "We deal with conspiracy facts. Freemasonry and Judaism -- that is the truth. That is the fact. That is where all the world's problems come from . . . I know for a fact that they're working together."
You are a fan of vile antisemitic nutjobs. Here's hoping he's getting raeped.
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Yes I do know the difference. Unfortunatly by acts such as redefining torture so that it isn't torture the US government has blurred the distinction in law to the point where it is no longer a difference. See Ed Brown currently being held without access to lawyer and suffering solitary confinement, sensory deprivation and other forms of turture in the US, as a US citizen, for daring to refuse to obey an illegal tax demand. If this is how the US treats it own then their troops should not even qualify to take part in UN peace keeping. The application of fear, generated by illegal killing, for the end purpose of applying politcal pressure to ellected and legitimate authorities has been a staple of US foreign policy in South America, the Far East and Middle East for decades, not to mention the false flag NATO funded terrorism in Europe in the 1960s and 70s.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Yes I do know the difference. Unfortunatly by acts such as redefining torture so that it isn't torture the US government has blurred the distinction in law to the point where it is no longer a difference.
"War" isn't governed by laws (thus demonstrating that you actually don't know what war is). Are you saying that Vietnam (which practiced horrendous torture techniques....Not the keeping-the-lights-on "torture") was not at "war" with the United States by virtue of that fact? Are you saying that any war prior to the Geneva convention (which legally does not apply to non-uniformed combatants) is suddenly redefined to be something other than a "war"? How absurd.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
See Ed Brown currently being held without access to lawyer and suffering solitary confinement, sensory deprivation and other forms of turture in the US, as a US citizen, for daring to refuse to obey an illegal tax demand. If this is how the US treats it own then their troops should not even qualify to take part in UN peace keeping.
:laugh: Oh brother. You're a hoot. So these tax evaders who were arrested a few days ago are now being "tortured"? Really? Do you know how grave a sin it is to, as a Christian, bear false witness against your neighbor? It's really troublesome how easily you will lie about your fellow man in order to support your completely irrational delusions of persecution.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
The application of fear, generated by illegal killing, for the end purpose of applying politcal pressure to ellected and legitimate authorities has been a staple of US foreign policy in South America, the Far East and Middle East for decades, not to mention the false flag NATO funded terrorism in Europe in the 1960s and 70s.
The various battles in South America and Asia were designed to counter communist insurgencies (i.e. terrorist attacks). There were various civil wars and the US supported the anti-communist sides. Of course, you seem to have no problem redefining every "war" in history to be an act of terrorism in order to defend the acts of terrorists. But then again, I wouldn't expect anything else from a madman.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
I would be very sad to see Namibia go down the pan, relatives of mine where in the volunteer army that freed Namibia during the second World War. I've forgotten much of the detail but they marched accross one of the most hostile deserts in the world to launch a surprise attack on a German garrison and routed them. Not bad for a bunch of farmers.
First world war. Germany didn't have any African possessions left for the second.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
Must have been. I must make sure to get my Mother to write down all the details before the story is lost for good. It was my maternal grandfathers cousin and uncle involved if I remember rightly, which would make sense for WWI.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
See Ed Brown
"We're not conspiracy theorists," Brown said, settling into a chair on his unfinished concrete porch. "We deal with conspiracy facts. Freemasonry and Judaism -- that is the truth. That is the fact. That is where all the world's problems come from . . . I know for a fact that they're working together."
You are a fan of vile antisemitic nutjobs. Here's hoping he's getting raeped.
I'm curious to know which one of his voices told him that Ed Brown is being "tortured". Faithfull always seems to have excessive insider information.
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
See Ed Brown
"We're not conspiracy theorists," Brown said, settling into a chair on his unfinished concrete porch. "We deal with conspiracy facts. Freemasonry and Judaism -- that is the truth. That is the fact. That is where all the world's problems come from . . . I know for a fact that they're working together."
You are a fan of vile antisemitic nutjobs. Here's hoping he's getting raeped.
Don't confuse your 'my enemies enemy is my friend' foolishness with me. I accord no special place to Ed Brown that I would not reserve for every other human being. That's the difference between me and you. Even vile antisemtic nutjobs and idiots deserve justice and equality under the law. That is what your country is supposed to be all about. If not you no longer have a country. As I said, it's over.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Don't confuse your 'my enemies enemy is my friend' foolishness with me. I accord no special place to Ed Brown that I would not reserve for every other human being. That's the difference between me and you. Even vile antisemtic nutjobs and idiots deserve justice and equality under the law. That is what your country is supposed to be all about. If not you no longer have a country. As I said, it's over.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Even vile antisemtic nutjobs and idiots deserve justice and equality under the law.
Having made the arbitrary claim that Ed Brown is being tortured, would you care to provide evidence of this claim, you crazy son of a b****?
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall
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Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Now where have I come across that before? Oh yes, out of the mouths of fudamentalists, haters and those doomed to destroy themselves just about anywhere and everywhere throughout history. I just hope you were being sarcastic because the alternative in millstones, necks and all that jazz. Good by miss American pie. Frankly no-one so stupid should be allowed to get out of school in this age of nuclear weapons and global communications. The world is not safe with you in it.
Nice sermon - aside from being utterly void of meaning. If there is insufficient will in the international community to hold those nations produceing terrorism responsible for the behavior of their own citizens, than what you are saying is that we just need to live with it as the legitimate consequence of our foreign policy and 'globalists'? Are you saying that American foriegn policy and globalism warrents resistence from the international community even if that resistence is in the form of terrorism?
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Are you saying that American foriegn policy and globalism warrents resistence from the international community even if that resistence is in the form of terrorism?
No what I'm saying is that all terrorism is UNJUSTIFIED, whoever commits it. Calling it something else, or arbitrarily declaring it legal is no excuse and makes no difference.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Are you saying that American foriegn policy and globalism warrents resistence from the international community even if that resistence is in the form of terrorism?
No what I'm saying is that all terrorism is UNJUSTIFIED, whoever commits it. Calling it something else, or arbitrarily declaring it legal is no excuse and makes no difference.
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
No what I'm saying is that all terrorism is UNJUSTIFIED, whoever commits it.
And you also equate war to terrorism. Therefore, going to war with a nation that launches terrorist attacks against us constitutes terrorism and is therefore unjustified. Therefore, we should just take it. Great!
Anybody rape your wife yet? -IAmChrisMcCall